The Onstage Murder Of Dimebag Darrell And What It Changed

Welcome And Why This Case Hits

SPEAKER_00 0:11

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the dark side of music. Today we are going to be going over a murder case. We haven't done murder in a little bit. Yeah. Um, this one was interesting. I am uh I also a fan of the band Pantera. Um Danny, how do you feel about the band Pantera?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Well, so the the songs that are listed as their top songs, I know and I like. Like, I wouldn't consider like I'm not gonna sit here and go, oh yeah, I'm a fan of Pantera. But those songs that are that we've listed in the in the notes as like some of their biggest songs, yeah, I like those. Those are those are good songs. And I'm sure they have other songs that I just have never heard that that I like, like type of thing. Um I do have to say, before we really get far into this, you have unlocked a new fear in me as a musician and as one I've told you kind of the band's new kind of plan is to like start playing more of these weekenders and kind of going on the road. And look, yeah, we're in no way in the same ballpark as Pantera or the side project that this particular uh musician created post Pantera, but still you've unlocked a new fear in me for that from this story, and I just had to make sure that I told you that because as I was reading it, I was like, oh, that could happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Like crazier things have happened. It's a crazy story, it really is a crazy story. Um, I also would say I I think I'm about as much of a fan as you are, because like I genuinely I only know like the top songs. Like, I don't, but I I love those songs, right? Cowboys from Hell is one of my favorite songs of all time.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Exactly. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and especially because we're being like transparent about that. Like, look, you can be surface level fans, you're still a fan of the the artist's music. Like you just you're not a uh an a mega fan where you you have like this grand like um appreciation for their songs that aren't like their biggest hits, type of thing. So like I wouldn't walk in the room and say, Yeah, I'm a I'm a fan of Pantera, but like, yeah, if somebody puts it on, obviously I'm gonna recognize these songs and enjoy them, and then maybe I'll find another one that I didn't know about.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Right. Um, my introduction to Pantera was from Guitar Hero.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

That's exactly what I was gonna say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

That is where I played Walk and Cowboys from Hell. Yeah, and exactly I I loved playing those songs. So um that being said, uh, we are going over the tragic murder of Dimebag Daryl. Uh, one of the most intense cases in music history, honestly. And you're right, it's a that's a huge realistic fear to open up uh for any musician, and honestly, for anybody that's involved in like public speaking or or going out and doing any sort of uh crowd space, you know, that uh that's a real fear. And and the person who we'll get into later was a deeply troubled uh individual with a lot of mental illnesses that that weren't addressed, especially in the 90s, um, or early 2000s in this case. Uh so yeah, this one's this one's intense, but we're gonna we're gonna dive into it. Uh side note, everyone listening, Danny and I just talked about it, but it is all at least a hundred, if not more, degrees right now. So we're both very hot. And my interface when I went to just turn up my volume is like scalding.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I think my entire system is running on pure magic right now.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

I have two. This is double insulated, so it's ice cold with with ice in it, and then I have this I just pulled out of the freezer. Like I am like stocked up on cold drinks and ready to go. I apologize. Anyone doesn't want to see people drinking, yeah. Yeah, you have ice, is that iced coffee? Yeah, coffee. Yeah. But but anyway, just so you know, we apologize. If you don't like to see hosts drinking, maybe just listen to this one because we're probably gonna be chugging the entire time.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Um, so as I said, we are gonna be going over Dimebag Daryl today. Uh, on December 8th, 2004, one of Heavy Metal's most beloved guitarists was murdered while performing on stage in front of hundreds of fans. The victim was Dimebag Daryl. He uh was born Daryl Abbott, founding member of Pantera and guitarist for the band Damage Plan. The attack lasted only seconds, but its impact permanently changed the concert security and left

The Night Dimebag Was Killed

SPEAKER_00 4:57

metal commun I left the metal community asking one question. Could this tragedy have been prevented? Um it's an interesting question.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

Um I mean the the problem is like and and I mean we we will definitely dive even further into this, but like at my last concert, there's no metal detector, there's no patent right, like they're they're just check your ID to make sure that you're either under or over 21. Yep. So like I guess maybe if we're talking, you know, ex Pantera member, you know, side project damage plan, maybe there's bigger security at bigger venues and stuff like that now, post this. But like for anyone smaller, like my band, uh and and even medium tier bands, I don't know if anything has changed. I don't know if like so that that ad, like that's why I was saying a new fear is completely unlocked with with this because it's like it it might have changed things for bigger artists, but yeah, I don't know if it's changed anything for smaller.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Well, and I think it also just depends on the type of venue. I I think the other thing too is it depends on um now we live in a world of digital uh uh how do I describe this? Like everyone's connected, you know, digitally. So like chances are if somebody were making threats or or anything of the sort, you would know ahead of time, and then I could see them like maybe increasing security if you have those concerns, right? But like usually every show that I've been to, other than larger stadiums or or uh arenas, there's no metal detectors or anything.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yeah, like like I mean, yeah, like like I said, giant shows, Taylor Swift, I'm sure, probably has metal detectors or or something on the way in and out, because you're talking those kind of venues, like type of thing. But yeah, definitely not when you come and see us at the end of this month, yeah, there's not gonna be a pat down or metal detector. Um I'm very excited about that. That's why I mentioned that. Um, yes, me too. Um what what's interesting is do we have record of the individual that you know did this having threats? Like I get it, it was early.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

I get that it was early 2000s, but we're still talking. I mean, that's still age of internet. That's still age what that's MySpace era.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Like it's also 2000s, like three years after the biggest event in American history. Yeah, security was tight in most situations.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

I get so my point is I get that yes, now every everybody puts everything on the internet. You got TikTok, people can open it and record any thoughts they want. So, like someone like this may have a history of posting something odd and and concerning behavior. Maybe they wouldn't say, Ah, go into this show tonight, type of thing. Like, they wouldn't, maybe they're they're not gonna like confess what they're about to do, but at the same time, you know, you might see somebody with cons more and more concerning behavior coming up on on TikTok and and Instagram and stuff like that. But if this person wanted to have put stuff up on the internet, I he still could have in that era, is what is my point. So maybe this still would have gone under the radar even today, or even if you want to compare 20 years difference, 2024, which is still age of TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, like you know what I mean? So, like, I don't know if much would have changed between the two, other than the fact that you know, depending on what the venue was, there may have been a little bit added level of security type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

I I also and I have this conversation with my wife pretty often. I live in the world of if an individual wants to bring me harm, they're going to find a way to do it. Like I can put in measures of protection, but at the end of the day, like realistically, if they want to proceed with that action towards me, it's going to happen one way or another. So I I truly don't even know if security would have really changed anything. He would have just outsmarted that. He would have found another way, another avenue.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Or waited for a different show. Like, that's the thing. Like, I mean, this was obviously part of more like this this side project would have played more shows. This is the only reason this was the last show was because of this tragic thing happened for from it, like like type of thing. So you wait another night, like yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

So and and there have been so many tragedies like this over the years that I mean, look at the the Mandalay Bay incident, you know what I mean? No one could have possibly predicted that that was going to happen. Yeah you know, no security, and that was recent. No security could have planned for that. So, yeah, those who want to commit harm are going to commit harm. It's just we need to make whatever efforts we can. Um, but I do agree it is kind of crazy. I go to a lot of shows, and the only time I've ever went through a there's more security to get into Bush Gardens than 90% of the venues that I've been to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

And yeah, and as a musician, like I don't I until you presented this story, I this was not a realistic fear in my head. Now we've started booking all of these faraway shows, and I'm like, okay, gotta think about this now from now on.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

I will say though, Pantera was um, how do I say this? Controversial, I think is the best word to describe it. I think you, sir, are the most charismatic fella I have ever met in my life. I think I think you're gonna be great.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

So all you're saying is I gotta keep up the bouncy fun pop bug music, and then I'm pop okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Yeah, yeah. I think uh uh nothing against the band at all, but like Phil Onsamo is uh an extremely controversial individual and has been most of his life. Um, but let's let's dive into who exactly Dimebag Daryl was. We all kind of know him, and if you're new to like the music site, uh music scene, uh Phil uh uh Dimebag Daryl uh was born in 1966. Uh he was born in Texas, Enus, Texas, to be exact. He was the lead guitar player for the band Pantera and a damage plan, and he was known as one of the greatest heavy metal guitarists of all time. Definitely not an

Who Dimebag Darrell Really Was

SPEAKER_00 11:41

argument on that. He was an innovative guitar or he had innovative guitar techniques. Um, that I I mean he did, but like I don't know. I I would I would argue that one a little bit. Um, he was definitely a friendly guy, he was very charismatic on stage and had very strong connections with his fans. He he loved his fans, he loved the fan base, um, he did a lot of uh stuff for his fans during his time with Pantera, and um made sure to be friendly and greet everybody that he could at shows. And he was influenced by Van Halen, uh Ace Rayleigh from KISS and Randy Rhodes from, of course, uh Black Sabbath. And Dimebag was constantly ranked among the greatest guitarists in rock and metal history. So that is kind of his initial background. Uh, you have anything on that, Danny? Anything you want to dive into there? I like I said, I think the innovative guitar techniques is a little argumentative.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah, I mean, the the problem is I'm a vocalist now. Yes, I did grow up, you know, playing guitar and stuff, but like I feel like the guitarists I have in my band, they're amazing guitar players and and will always be, you know, on a different level than I am. That's why I like I'm I'm never going back to playing guitar. Like live. Like, I still strum around on my guitar, play, play some stuff here and there. I feel like depending on the genre of music, you have these skills that you have to be able to do just just to be on the same level. And I feel like, you know, heavy metal and metal in general and and stuff like that are very intricate solos, very intricate leads, stuff like that. So I do put them on a tier above a lot of a lot of musicians, and I feel like, you know, it's not even a skill level thing, it's just what the median is for that particular what has to go into those songs. And it's not to say like it's not to say like, you know, a normal rock guitarist isn't on the same level as a guitarist for a heavy metal band. I'm just saying what they have to play for a certain song asks for more type of thing. You can get away. A Weezer lead or a Weezer, you know, uh uh solo is not gonna be the same as a Pantera lead or a Pantera solo. Like, but it's not to say that like Rivers Como doesn't know how to play that lead or or write a lead that's that technical or complex. I'm just saying the median has to be on a higher level. So I think I understand him kind of being you know ranked as as kind of having you know a a you know higher in a innovative guitar like type type of thing. I I don't know if I would use that wording, but I would just use the wording of you have to have a more complex baseline for what you're writing that goes into each song in comparison, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Like a like a proficiency, he's you know, an exceptionally proficient guitar player.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Um, yeah, the innovative is the the wrong wording, I think, is the issue. Like because like he was very, very talented and and one of the fastest players of all time. Um but when I think of innovative, I think of like artists like Van Halen and Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, B.B. King, okay. Um, the the grandfathers of rock and roll music.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

I think I think what you you're you're more hitting on, and I think it does make more sense. I think innovative needs to go to kind of the the trailblazers, the more like Mount Rushmart of of guitar players, no matter the genre, because they were kind of the first, versus calling innovative something that's more complex, like because they've built upon what came first and and had been influenced by what came first, type of thing. So I think I think I think I agree with you. Like I think the wording is is the the problem with that. Not not that he's not uh an awesome guitar player, not that he doesn't belong in kind of the same conversation as you know great guitar players in general and stuff like that, but I think I I agree that I think innovative guitar techniques need to go with the people that kind of did, you know, set the the tone for music in general and rock music in general. And yeah, like I think the ones that you listed, like Hendricks and B.B. King and Eric Clapton, like I think they're on a whole different tier of themselves thing. Like, so I I definitely agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Um, one thing I will say about him that I loved that he did uh was um the squealies. He he was the king of the squealies. I mean, he could make that guitar squeal like a pig. It was pretty incredible. Um, so, anyways, the rise of Pantera. Uh, Pantera formed in Texas in 1981. The original members included Dimebag Daryl Abbott, his brother Vinnie Paul Abbott, who we'll dive into here later, Rex Brown and Terry Glaze, Phil Ansamo joined in 1986. So five years after the band uh was around, which I actually didn't know until this case. I thought he was always there.

Pantera Breakup And Fan Fallout

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

I didn't know much history about Pantera in general. Like I knew these I knew these three songs that we have as as the bake as the breakthroughs type of thing, but like that is literally all I really knew about Pantera in general, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:41

And and honestly, um I only know like this story in particular, uh, I knew from like rock magazines growing up, and then um I knew these songs, but everything else that I know about the band literally is just based around Phil Onsamo and the things that he has said in his personal life. So anything other than those subjects, I really don't know much about Pantera myself, but Cowboys from Hell was like is not was is one of the greatest metal songs of all time. Uh Vulgar Display of Power also is up there. Uh surprisingly, Walk it's is not on this list, uh, but Walk was another gigantic hit of theirs, and then Far Beyond Driven was fantastic as well. Uh Pantera became one of the heavy, biggest heavy metal bands of the 90s, obviously. And that leads us into kind of where all of this begins, right? So after tensions with the band and tensions with Phil, uh, there were a lot of things kind of brewing behind the scenes. And then in the early 2000s, the band actually broke up. Um, the major issues included creative differences, personal conflicts, Phil Onsombo's increasing heroin addiction, and communication breakdowns. Uh, by 2003, the band effectively split. Dimebag and his brother Vinnie Paul formed a new band called Damage Plan. And this is kind of where, like, we're gonna talk about it here in a minute, but this is kind of where all of this uh begins to form. Um, the the shooter later in the story uh uses and blames these events on his actions. Now, granted, again, he was a mentally disturbed individual who needed help, um, but his reasoning was all related to these events in the early 2000s. Um after they break up, they formed Damage Plan featuring Dimebag Daryl, his brother Vinny, Bob Zila, and Pat Lackman. Uh, the debut album Newfound Power. Although successful, many Pantera fans hoped for a reunion. Some fans blamed Phil, other fans blamed Dimebag and his brother. Emotions surrounding the breakup were very, very high. And now we dive into the shooter, whose name was Nathan Gale. He was 25, he was a former Marine, he was diagnosed with paranoid paranoid schizophrenia after his discharge from the military, increasing isolation, believed people were talking and uh stealing his thoughts in his head, um, had become obsessed with the band Pantera. Family

Nathan Gale And Delusional Beliefs

SPEAKER_00 20:39

members later later described his mental health as rapidly deteriorating. Um so that's kind of what I was getting at, basically. You have a a disturbed individual who has an obsession and thinks that he is getting these higher callings and and people are spying on him, and that uh the there are things with the band that get a little political, so he thinks that you know there are people that that are related to the government and agencies and stuff talking to him and and telling him that you know Pantera's on this secret mission and there's all these hidden lyrics, and he was he was a very disturbed human being and this in in itself is what kind of pushed him over the edge. Um according to investigators, Nathan Gale believed Pantera had broken up because of Dimebag. Some reports suggested that he believed that Dimebag had stolen his songs, band members could read his mind, and he was being watched. These beliefs appeared to be symptoms of severe untreated mental illness. Authorities found no evidence supporting any of Gail's claims.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Which is I mean, so this is crazy. So he's diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. After being discharged from the military. And there's no like, you know, hey, we gotta figure out, you know, how ways of treating this, ways of helping. Like, I mean, I I I don't know, but like at the same time, it's like why is his family saying afterwards that he was, you know, severely uh deteriorating mental status, like type of thing. Are they just watching this? Are they you know trying, but he's just not letting them help? Like we we don't, I mean, obviously we we at the end of the day, we don't know. And so like I can't put blame on the family or anything like that, but like if if somebody is diagn, like if somebody's diagnosed, and then like you know, you see someone's mental health, you know, going very rapidly downhill, I gotta imagine there's there's something that can be at least done to make sure that this person can't just pop up at a show. Like, yeah, and I don't even mean by like the band, I don't even mean by that. I mean just like, hey man, why don't you come stay with us for you know a little while until we get this figured out? And and like I said, he is 25, he's his own person. I mean, you can't force him to stay somewhere, like unless he's under arrest or something like that, you can't really force him to be anywhere. So I get that, but I'm just saying, like, as a nice, like calm family gesture, why don't you just be like, hey man, why don't you why don't you why don't you come down to Florida and hang out?

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Like, or like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Like, I I just feel like I I feel like if I was put in this situation where I had like a family member, and and it's horrible to even think of this because I wouldn't wish this on anybody's family or or on my own family, but I just feel like you the the closeness that I have with my extended family, like I have an extended family where we, you know, I'd say 98% of us get together on you know the major holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas, right? Like 30 to 40 of us, like together. Um, I feel like that level of closeness, if someone was really suffering this much and and and mental health was really going downhill, you know, you could see it that that's how rapid it was actually happening, that the family would come together to really make sure that this individual was not alone with their thoughts. And like I said, I'm not blaming the family because we don't know the full situation. So, and he's a 25-year-old man who was a Marine, who was all this, so like you can't force him to be anywhere. I get that. So, like, I like I said, I I am in no way like blaming you, like, oh, you should have taken care. I'm not blaming that. I'm just saying it just it seems like from the outside that there should have been a little bit more handling of this through family, some like intervention, absolutely, yeah. And and like I said, I'm not blaming family because you just don't know, you don't know what the situation is, like what's going on, and he is an individual, it's not like he's 17-year-old or an 18-year-old, even like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Well, and and honestly, this this whole story is such a testament to uh how far we've come as a uh society here um for mental health, like yeah, you because this clearly shows that like if if somebody was diagnosed with schizophrenia and and paranoia today, there would be multiple people keeping track of them and multiple people checking in and like required, you know, check-ins with doctors and making sure that they're on their medications, like that in 20 what 22 years, right? Yep, that's an impressive feat and and like it is truly incredible how far we've come.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

I really think what one of the biggest things that has kind of brought about that, and there's look, there's still pl plenty, you know, way we like further we can go with with helping people out that that are suffering, you know, with any kind of mental illness or or anything like that. I think the stigma of suffering from sort of like certain mental illnesses, not all of them, but certain mental illnesses, I think that the stigma is started to kind of go away a little bit because we're kind of all I think post-pandemic, we're kind of all realizing that we're all a little, a little messed up. Like, and and so like I feel like it's not so strange to be like, you know, hey, I'm dealing with this, and being able to say it more out loud. Like you, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure that look, there's still thousands of people who who still feel uncomfortable saying it. And I know I'm a very open and and just very like, I'll talk about anything. Like, I really don't have too much private stuff that I don't feel comfortable talking about. Like, I'll talk about like really not good great things that I've had in the past and and all this kind of stuff. And I know everybody's not like me, but I do feel like over the the last 22 years, the kind of the the stigma of mental illness has kind of gone away to a certain degree. I'm I think there will always be a little bit, but I do think you know it's at least gone down from where it was. And I I do think like, look, pandemic, absolutely horrible. But I do think it was one of the things that kind of came out of the pandemic where people are are able to kind of be a little bit more open about what they're dealing with on a personal level. And I think that has been, you know, the we're on the other side, and now everybody is like, yeah, I'm I'm dealing with I'm dealing with this, I'm dealing with that, I have depression, I have, you know, ADHD that I that I deal with. Like anything under the umbrella of what people are kind of dealing with now, I feel like there's a less of a stigma in general.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. And and if you're listening, um there they are not a sponsor. Uh, however, I do highly recommend BetterHelp. I personally use BetterHelp. Um I use other podcasts' promo codes. So if you're listening to other shows, I'm sure they've got some. And like truly, like that stigma is hard to get over, and we are working towards it. But if you're listening to this, just know that

Stigma And Getting Real Help

SPEAKER_00 28:42

like I am taking advantage of that. I'm helping myself. I was stubborn once as well. I've helped a lot of other people who are just as stubborn about getting the the help that they need. Um, and and if it helps, just don't think of it as help. Think of it as your brain is a biological part of your body, and sometimes you need to take actions for other parts of your body. So why not also take actions for your brain? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Yeah, the other thing is, I mean, everybody needs to talk about things sometimes, and just being able to use a service like like Better Health. And it's funny because this isn't an ad. This is it, we're not sponsored. I mean, if they hear this and they'd like to sponsor, we can get a promo code, that'd be great. Um, but I don't think there's I don't think there should be a stigma with just needing to talk about everything that is going on in your head, like like type of thing. And because once you I know it's a little awkward, and I know, you know, when you start, it's weird and it feels weird, but like just being able to empty out what's in your brain. Yeah, everybody needs that. It's like you know, it's like clearing the the cash in uh on a computer or or something like that. You you get it out, and as soon as you start doing that, it kind of, you know, obviously, you know, you got to do it multi more than one time, but you know, it it frees up a little bit and you kind of like you you feel a little bit looser. And and I think that's why it's always good to be able to, you know, be able to talk and and just get out that up.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Honestly, the the convincing factor for me as so obviously I I do a lot with like the music stuff and I do a lot here, but the convincing factor for me was utilizing better help uh for dealing with business related and like work-related things. So like you don't you don't have to think of it as therapy, think of it as like sometimes you've got shit going on that you need to talk about, but you don't have a person who's a very like a very like outside source. You don't want to talk to somebody like your mom about it, uh, you don't want to talk to somebody like your sister about it or whoever, right? Um, and you you have an issue going on at work and you need somebody to just be an outside source to give you their perspective about that situation. That's what convinced me to do it. Yeah, utilizing them as a source for me to say, hey, here are the things that are going on at work, here are the things that I'm witnessing. How do I go about tackling this situation? Because I don't have the tools to do that, right? So if that helps you kind of get in there and get started, utilize it that way because I did that for a very long time.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

I mean, it in general, just being like I said, being able to, you know, kind of get stuff get out of your own head by by bouncing it off a source is absolutely good. And the fact that you can do it virtually and and stuff like that kind of takes the other kind of you know excuse to not do it out of out of the equation because like you can do it from the comfort of your own home, maybe not in a hot podcast studio, but like you can do it on your couch in front of the air conditioner, like exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

And if you don't like physically talking to somebody, you're a texter, you can just do text sessions, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

Um, so, anyways, let's dive back into this case here. So uh we're going over Nathan Gale and his backstory. Um, now we get to the day of the incident, December 8th, 2004, in Al Rosa Villa, Columbus, Ohio. Shout out Columbus, Ohio. Um, approximately 600 people damage damage plane was performing the opening song of the night. Only seconds into the performance,

Inside The Alrosa Villa Shooting

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Nathan Gale rushed the stage carrying a Beretta 9mm handgun. Uh, that happened incredibly fast. Gale immediately shot Dimebag multiple times at close range. He then turned his weapon on others attempting to stop him. Victims included Dimebag Darrell, uh Jeff Mayhem Thompson, head of security for damage plan, Nathan Bray, fan attempting to help, Aaron Hulk, Al Rosa Villa employee. Several others were wounded. Witnesses described complete panic as fans scrambled for safety. Many initially believed the shooting was part of a part of the show because of the loud music. Um several individuals attempted to stop Gail despite being unarmed. Jeff Thompson confronted the shooter and lost his life protecting others. Nathan Bray rushed the stage in an effort to disarm Gail. Police officers, uh police officer James Negmeyer, um arrived within minutes, finding Gail holding another hostage. Negmeyer made the decision to fire on fire one shotgun blast. The shot instantly stopped the attack. Many investigators believe his actions prevented a significantly larger massacre. Um, so yeah, this was a guy super disturbed at the end of his rope. He went in with a mission and was not going to stop until that mission was complete.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

But I feel like he pretty much did his like if he really just went in for one person, like Dimebag, he did that in the first two shots.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

I don't know if he had an exit plan or or or like a you know, like I think he genuinely thought he was gonna escape.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

I really do. I think that he went in, he did it, and then he was like, Well, I'm getting out of here. Um, and and yeah, that is exceptionally scary. It's it's scary as a musician, it's scary as a concert goer. You know what I mean? Like that's a uh very scary situation, and like I said earlier, that this is not the first time that something like this has happened in a concert venue. Right, right. Um yeah, I mean it is crazy. Thankfully, you know, people were able to stop what happened, and unfortunately, people lost their lives protecting others, and um it's it's it is a complete tragedy, and unfortunately there are just disturbed individuals who need help out there. This this one's extremely cut and dry. Um there's not really any uh uh mystery to it other than just like we said at the beginning, how how could it have been prevented? But I just truly believe you can't you can't prevent something like this from happening. It it he was set in his ways. The only I take that back. The only way that you can prevent this from happening is like you said, Danny, people around him becoming a support network and and doing what they can to see the signs of of him deteriorating and doing whatever they can to put some sort of intervention in place um before it gets to this point. Uh the investigation part of the story, police immediately began examining Gale's motives. Questions included what was his target, who uh was at random, did he know Dimebag personally? The evidence showed that Gale had no relationship with the band. He had become fixated on Pantera, he legally purchased the handgun, and there was no broader conspiracy. Investigators concluded

Motive Findings And Hard Conclusions

SPEAKER_00 36:20

the attack was driven by untreated, paranoid schizophrenia, and his delusional beliefs. Uh yeah, it it sucks, man. Like I've seen several videos since looking into this case about like the deeper like thought processes that he was having, and and people around him said things like, you know, he he believed that he was being contacted by the the police and and investigators and stuff, and that he that the the band was involved in other secret missions, and that he he had to do his part, and and like it said in there, he also believed that he was part of the band, that he had written songs for the band, and that Dimebag stole his songs. So uh it it sucks. It just sucks. Yeah, um the tragedy did expose a lot of major weaknesses in security. Uh at the time there were a few bag checks, minimal metal detectors, limited police presence, easy stage access. Following the shooting, many venues introduced increased security and staffing, better stage barriers, more thorough searches, improved emergency planning. The attack permanently

How Venue Security Still Falls Short

SPEAKER_00 37:35

changed how smaller concert venues approach safety. But again, let's bounce back to like our conversation though, because like prime example, the and this is no dig at the venue. I love this venue, and I will continue to go to this venue, but the Canal Club in Richmond. It's a fantastic venue, but there's just a guy. You just walk in, you hand him $10, he gives you a wristband, and like it's just a bar with a with a stage. I mean, I guess there's technically a barrier, like there's like a little a little metal pole in front of the stage, but like there's access points on both sides, it's just a pair of stairs. They're not like sitting somebody up to stand in front of it and be like, whoa, you can't go up there.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

Um so I I don't know, man. But again, that's technically a a concert venue, but the acts that go there are significantly smaller than Pantera.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

So yeah, yeah, yeah. And and that's why I kind of it goes back to like what's what's crazy is they're they're talking about you know more security for small. When you're talking about at least 600, that means the room cap was probably what 800? Like you know what I mean. Right. That is not that part of the venue. Like a a small venue room cap is like 300, 350, 250 to 350. Like, those are the rooms that I'm playing. Maybe we're playing a 400 cap room. But you know what I mean? Like those are the smaller ones.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

But my the the stage that I just played on, like around a year, like there wasn't even stairs, you just pop on the side on either side, you roll on the stage, you're there.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Type of thing. There's no border at the front either.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

There's just a couple of monitors on either side, type of thing. Yeah, so no, I agree with you. I forgot it said 600 people, so that's more like the Norva. Yeah. Um, in Norfolk, and and that I guess now that I'm thinking about it, I've I've been to a handful of shows there. There is more security there. They have the metal detectors out front. You go through two, actually. You go through the first set and then set your stuff in the little container and go through a second set. Um, so I guess, yeah, that's pretty secure. Um, and I think that one seats like 2,000 or something.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Um it's good, but it doesn't like they're they're acting like this is small, and I get it in the grand scheme of things. Like, but like we said, the stadium and amplif amplif uh amphitheater. I don't know why I couldn't figure figure out the rest of that word. It's the heat. It's the heat, I swear. Um but uh those were probably already, you know, had security and metal detectors and and and stuff like that. So then it just kind of trickled down to the next tier, but we've still got two tiers down from the places that like from the Norva. We got you know the the giant uh stadiums and amphitheaters, then we've got like the the Norva tier of venues, then we've got the canal club, you know, here, then we've got the small, like the small the actual small venues that are like where you host open mics and whatnot. Exactly. So like I mean it's only trickled down one tier, I feel like. We need we and I get it, like the smaller clubs, you know, there's less of a chance because there aren't like crazy bands playing at those at those or anything like that. But it if someone you know just wants to, you know, do whatever they want, they can, and that's scary. That's why I said it's not it's not a likely thing that can happen, but of course, now I have a new fear unlocked. Just just kind of thinking about this, is because you just you just you know you never know.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

You never know. Well, Danny, I'm I'm just gonna offer it up front. I will be security and travel with the band if I have to.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

You look, I've already said you are more than welcome to come to both shows and and just hang out with us the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

I know we haven't met in person yet, but like I look a lot bigger on the screen than I actually am. I'm only like 5'7.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Well, I know we haven't only got in person. I might look a lot bigger on screen, but I am 5'4 to 5'5, so you're still bigger and taller than me.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Um, no, you got me covered. It is crazy though, but also like the the stadiums and stuff, like they're I just realized like they're used for other things. Like you have sporting events that those are typically used for. So I just would assume there's an added level of security for a venue that's right being used multiple ways.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like even already, like you know, mid-90s, early 2000s, like amphitheaters, stadiums, and and like giant venues, like the indoor, like Madison Square Garden. Like, yeah, obviously, those kind of venues that these like Metallica and you know, Taylor Swift, like those artists are playing, they already had metal detectors and that level of security and and everything like that. So, what what happened from this is the next tier down that exactly they kind of implemented this level of security too. I don't I don't know. I I mean you you did say, you know, there's at least one guy at the canal club. I don't know if there'll be anybody at the two stops that we're gonna be at.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Well, and and not uh to make everything connect to 9-11, never forget. Um it was three years after 9-11. Like I just I I feel like if we were ever at a point in American history where security was an exceptionally big thing being talked about, it's the three years following 9-11. Yeah. Like that was top priority. So I don't know, man. It it seems it seems a little suspicious the more that I think about it. Um but I don't think there's any Is any sort of like mystery to it? I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Oh yeah, no, no. I think I I think it's pretty cut and dry on what on what happened, and it's just the you know the tragic result of you know uh an untreated mental illness and it you know really affecting someone and you know and and like you said it's it's a it was a a very crazy series of events, you know the band broke up and then within a year, you know, this this other project had started and was already I mean 600 people is nothing to to to laugh at. Like I understand compared to Pantera, I'm sure it's it's way lower of of a of a crowd, but 600 people, yeah, 600 people, like that's a lot of people at a show to see your band type of thing in general. Um and so like to have that that amount within a year of of Pantera's like break like actually officially breaking up is you know a feat of itself, like, but it's just like this series of events was kind of very you know crazy in general and was very accelerated because of all of this and and everything that kind of you know had had had happened in general, type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

I also think that it's uh big testament to how incredible Dimebag was as a guitar player, like clearly he was such a vital piece to Pantera that he was able to leave and immediately start right back up and develop a relatively successful side project. Like that's that's pretty damn impressive in itself. Um, so obviously it was a major impact on everything. Uh, the murder, shock musicians around the world, uh, tributes came in from Metallica, Ozzy Osborne, Black Label Society, Slipknot, Aven Sevenfold, and countless others. Many artists cited Dimebag as one of the most influential guitarists of his generation. This is where it gets a little more interesting.

Aftermath For Vinnie Paul And Metal

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Vinny Paul, the tragedy, deeply affected Dimebag's brother, Vinny. He rarely discussed the shooting publicly. He refused multiple Pantera reunions over the years. Many close friends said he never fully recovered emotionally from witnessing his brother's murder. And Vinny Paul tragically died in 2018 from heart disease. Um, I also know from several stories that uh Vinny, after that incident, had a heavy, heavy drinking problem, um, which sucks and and could have led to some of his heart disease. Um but yeah, I think that that truly just really, really impacted him. He never fully recovered. Uh now we dive into Phil Onsamo. Uh, one of the topics that continued to generate a lot of debate is whether comments made by former Pantera vocalist Phil contributed to growing tensions. Prior to the shooting, on Samo had given interviews criticizing Dimebag. In one interview, he included a statement that Dimebag deserved to be beaten severely. After his murder, those comments were received

Phil Anselmo Comments And Controversy

SPEAKER_00 47:22

with renewed scrutiny. However, investigators found no evidence that Nathan Gale acted because of Phil's statements. Authorities concluded that Gale's actions were driven by his mental illness rather than any outside influence.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Um how can you say that if he feels like he's getting messages from the band and and all that stuff? Yeah. He's gonna latch on to any comment that that is made. And and and you know, not trying to put blame on any individual other than the person that actually, you know, shot the gun in the first place, but at the same time, how can you say, you know, that didn't that didn't at least, you know, in in some way pile on like absolutely things.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

I I do think the police were just protecting him. I think that they had a cut and dry case, and it was like one of those, like, hey, like, let's just he's he's already kind of destroying his life as it is, and it would just open up a bigger can of worms. We have everything that we need to say this is what happened, let's just move on, everybody needs to move on, type of thing. Um, it is crazy though that so uh a little more on Phil is that he is back with Pantera, like they came back uh a few years ago, and like he's constantly talking about his brother Dimebag and that and that death, and and he's had several interviews about how it impacted him and and how he loved Dimebag. So, like, I don't know, man. He's a strange individual. Um this story also always makes me think of I don't know if you remember this, Danny. Do you remember when Scott Stapp tried to assassinate the president? No, yeah. See, that's another one where I'm like, Creed is bigger than ever before right now, and it's like everyone just kind of moved past Scott Stapp trying to literally storm the White House and assassinate the president. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Because well should should we save this for another case file? I don't want to I don't want to throw it out at the end of this one.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Well, it disappeared, like they just it happened, and then it was just like he he was arrested and they let him go, and it was uh a mental breakdown fueled by drugs and alcohol, and then we just moved on. And I wanna find out. Let me check the year because that is important to me saying this.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Um to be fair, I have not listened to Creed. Okay, 2014. It was 2014. I can't imagine that I've listened to Creed since 2014, like in general, and not because I heard about this, but just in general.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Yes, uh Creed's uh frontman and his estranged wife and sister-in-law called 911. They reported that uh Scott Stapp believed he was a CIA agent tasked with killing the president Barack Obama in 2014. So, and then we just never talked about it, and then out of nowhere, he comes out and plays a show at the uh the football game, the Cowboys game, and suddenly it's like, oh hey, remember Creed, they're awesome. Let's give them a cruise and a tour, and then that tour sold out, and now they're just back and they're putting out new music, and it's like are we just not talking about that? We're just moving on, like and that reminds me of this, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

I I look we should talk about that more, um, but also uh I think this is just a a and I and I feel horrible saying this. I think now that both Dimebag Daryl and his brother have passed away, this is just a way of you know Phil to be able to kind of still, you know, talk about it and and kind of talk about it as if you know he he does actually care and miss this person. Like there is a level of you know, they were band bandmates together, like and and there is that background at the end of the day, but like to to go from and look, it's not the craziest thing in the world. I've you know, I've been in multiple bands, and I know, you know, ending one, there are you know tensions and and and feelings of anger, you know, from people that didn't choose to end it or didn't choose to leave or didn't and then time does you know kind of change that they go they look back on the on the fond memories of the of the band, and then you know, you can still kind of chat with them when they've moved on to another band and you've moved on to another band and and stuff like that. It does take some time. So like part of me thinks he's just kind of taking advantage of a situation. The other part of me, you know, is is thinking from personal experience where like I have had some you know not so great interactions with people that have left the band or if the band had to end for a certain reason or something like that, and then years later we've reconciled and you know been able to at least chat about you know, hey, remember that time that was awesome, that was fun. But they've moved on and are playing with another group, and I've moved on and played with another, like you know what I mean? So it's like time does heal those kind of things, yeah. But like you'll just we'll never know, you know which one, I guess. Or maybe it's a little of both.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

We don't we don't really think it is, I think it's a little bit of both. I think that he is at a place where he may have like reconciled it with himself. Um he was also, like it said, um addicted to heroin at the time. He had a lot of demons that he was battling, like uh Dime bad Dimebag had his own stuff going on too. He wasn't a saint by any means. Uh, so like I think that maybe Phil reconciled it in his mind. It just looks bad on paper, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 54:00

And you want to hope for the best.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Yeah, you want to hope that yeah, maybe, maybe he has, you know, come to terms with it. He he's you know does really like he goes, Well, that was really my friend. Like my my bandmate, my friend, he's gone, his brother's got like these are two members of a band that he was in that got really big. So no matter what, you know, they do have history and stuff like that. So you want to hope that that it's it's from that side of things.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

So now everything else about Phil, if uh you're listening and you feel like researching him, definitely contradicts everything that I just said. I'm trying so hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. Um he is a uh interesting individual himself. Um, but I think that uh I think he does truly believe I think that he is narcissistic enough to believe he reconciled it in his mind. Is the best way to put it. But regardless of all of that, uh Dimebag's influence still continues to shape heavy metal music. He remains known not only for his guitar playing, but also for his generosity, his humor, and his connection with his fans. Each year, musicians continue to honor his legacy through tribute concerts, signature guitars, and charitable events. His murder remains one of the darkest moments in music history and serves as a reminder of the importance of mental health awareness, venue security, and protecting performers and audiences alike. Um yeah, I forgot uh the Dimebag Daryl guitar series, the BC Rich guitars. Yes, yeah. Who who was an aspiring guitar player that didn't want the the awesome like dime bag uh Dean guitars and and the BC Rich guitars? Like they were so cool. Yeah. Um I definitely had one. They played

Guitar Gear Memories And Dimebag’s Line

SPEAKER_00 55:57

like absolute shit. They did have one.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

I didn't have one. I definitely had a couple of friends in like my first two bands that definitely had at least one of them. I was always, you know, there were there were like three guitars that I always wanted, and I got I I had it, I had a time with all of them. Um, my first one was a Fender Strat. I was like, Obviously, I want a Fender Strat. And and that was my very first guitar. The second one was I saw an electric blue uh SG. Oh, that's pretty cool. And it was a special edition. They I don't want to get too far into the weeds on this. There was a special edition where there was a big speed bar on it, like built into it type of thing. And I had that like I it was used at Guitar Center. I found it one one year, and I looked it up. They only had they only manufactured that for a few years tops, like type of thing. And so I had an electric blue one of those with a big speed bar built on. I love I could throw that guitar around. I I put strap locks on it immediately. Like that was that was such a fun guitar to perform in or with, not in, but wearing. Yeah, yeah. Because I still jumped up and down when I could. Um just not as much as now. But my my dream guitar, the one I still have right now, and the one that I actually sold both of those guitars for, is my uh Whiteless Paul studio with gold hardware. Ooh, ooh. That is, you know, will forever be my dream guitar. I I eventually want to get a hook that I can mount it on the wall and just have it hanging behind me. Um, that is will always be my guitar. And and before I actually the whole reason why I stopped playing live was I actually uh collided head stocks on stage while I was performing with it. Um I was out of commission for like six months while it was getting fixed. Um, but it's fixed. It looks it looks just as beautiful as it did the day I got it. Um I got it used, it was a studio used guitar, so like it wasn't on the road, it didn't have any like wear to it, it was only used in studio for a couple of years before I got it. Um I used to have a um, I think it was DR strings. They did the the powder coated colored strings. Yep. I put hot pink strings on that thing. It popped. Uh it was, I'm telling you, by far, still is my dream guitar. I don't have the powder coated strings on it anymore because like they the powder comes off. I liked it because it you know popped on stage. Right. Will always be my my dream guitar. Um, but yeah, I everybody has their own dream guitars. I know I know plenty of people that like the the the BC Rich um and and stuff like that. I've played them just like just like you said, like I I don't I didn't love them, but you know, I I knew people that that was their dream to guitar to have they looked incredible.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Oh yeah the warlock design was so cool. Um, it was really the hardware that was the issue. And and I understood because so full full story on it, Dime Bag had a lot to do with like the production of that guitar line, and he wanted an affordable guitar for new players, and in order to get affordability, you have to cheap out on some stuff. They cheaped out on the pickups, and that definitely impacted the way that it sounded.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Um which look at the end of the day, I do appreciate that decision versus you know any other elements that can go into a guitar because you can always exchange pickups and stuff like that, and make it make like use whatever pickups you want and and stuff like that to make it sound the way you want it to. But if if they cheap out on other elements of it and and you know it's just really not a good body, and or like the fretboard is weird and chipping and and stuff like that, then that's a way bigger problem and a way bigger issue. Like, so I I'm I think that was a real smart musician uh uh place to save money, basically, because I think that is a decision that another musician understands. I understand that pickups are something that can be changed aftermarket to and especially for new like learner guitars, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:11

Like that's a great guitar to learn on and customizable down the line. Yeah, absolutely. My dream guitar is I have a a blue PRS. I'm a giant PRS guy. Um, but honestly, that black guitar right there, see it. That that was a uh uh anniversary present from my wife, our first anniversary. That guitar cost her, I think, $125. Um, it is a LTD uh like ESP brand. It's the the brand that um James Hetfield plays. Um yeah, it it was uh very, very close to what I wanted at that time, but I wanted the obviously the more expensive version, but she found that and got it for me. Hands down, best guitar I've ever played. Like it's fantastic. I love that guitar. Um, but my PRS, I love my PRS. It only comes out of the case every once in a while, though. Yeah, man. So anywho, um that that's the Dime Bag Daryl case. We we made it through. We did. I I'm already sweating. Not because of the story, just in general.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Like I agree, I agree. Um, I mean, I feel like we've already we've already kind of talked about another case that we need to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Uh we we might have to mix that one in with like two or three cases. There is not much to go on. They really it's a mystery though. Like we could do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

We could do like a rapid fire, you know, mysteries that were partially scrubbed episode. So there is no answer, and there might not be a lot of backstory or real, but we could just do like if we can find like three or four of them, maybe we just you know we throw them out there and be like, it's kind of weird. Um I love that idea. Something like that might be kind of cool to do. Um, the other thing is, I I know something because you've texted it to me and you've shown it to me, and it's already public, so it's not a surprise. But I think it's really cool, and I'm already gonna start buying them for family members and stuff that we have merch like we do for this podcast. You have a really awesome merch in general for hook, hook, and bridge, like any

Merch Talk And Sign Off

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

anything. I I looked at the entire store. You have very cool merch. I am super jealous because I I I want to get merch for the band and get an online storefront in general. But I I love the merch that you made. Not only you made it just happy to be here shirt that I love that I want to wear.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

It's awesome. Shout out to Chris. Chris was that was Chris's baby. Yeah, he took that idea and ran with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

I love it. I a hundred percent want to wear it. I actually I kind of want to get two because I want to I want to wear one as is, and then I want to cut the sleeves off of one of them. Yeah, because I just feel like it would fit that shirt, but I want to have one that's normal too. And then I I have to get one for my dad because I know my dad will wear it 100%. Right. But the dark side of music ones too are awesome. And I I'm 100% getting one of those for my dad too, and and at least a couple other family members.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

Like and there's gonna be a lot more. I'm I'm putting a lot more on. We we started slow, I just wanted a slot, uh like a slow rollout, but like yeah, we've got uh I think two different cups over there. We've got uh like a tumbler and then a coffee cup. Um, there's a t-shirt. Uh the t-shirt's great, it's very funny. Um, there are stickers, and honestly, my pride and joy on there is the playing cards. I wanted to make like merch that I thought of like like represented true crime, and for some reason, I thought I saw the playing card option and I was like, that screams mafia. So that's that's cool. That's what we made. Yeah, uh, but it looks awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

I have an idea that I think we have to we have to do eventually is I think we both need to to get coffee coffee mugs that say dark side, and that's what we used to drink, whether it's a cold beverage or a hot beverage. Yeah, from now on, every show, yeah. You're still every show has to has to have us drinking from those, like moving forward.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

I think it's that's great. Um, no, dude, the merch line's up, and I I love it. I think it looks fantastic. Um, the quality is great. I have several pieces from this company that I've ordered for myself. Their hats are awesome, their shirts are awesome. Um they represent like the largest clothing brands. So, like all of our shirts are your classic, like Gildan or Bellafree, you know, the the classic materials you'd find at your stores. Yeah. But the the thing that I love is when they put the logos on there, they use a special DTG flex. So when you wash it and wear it, the vinyl flexes with the wear and tear so it doesn't like crack and crease. Uh-huh. So yeah, yeah. It's it's a very nice material, very breathable. Um, so yeah, check out the merch line. It's over on our website, hookandbridgepodcast.com. Go to the storefront, um, and there will be plenty more to come out on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

Yeah, I'm excited. Side note, I'd be happy to have an entire just happy to be here line of merch on there for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

I would love it. Like, I haven't even told the rest of the guys because I I kind of want to just like show up one day wearing it and and just be like and just have them like see it, not recognize it, and go, do we have new merch? Like, that's kind of I think that's gonna be how I spring it on them. Like, is I just kind of want to come in to like a practice wearing it one day. I love I love it. Or what if what it oh, how fast is the ordering process? Because what if you just showed up to our show wearing it?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Oh, I'll I'll have it by then. Yeah, that would be I'm actually placing my order today. Uh for everyone that that listens to all of our live stuff, all of the the free merch that I said that you would all get. Oh, very cool. I'm ordering it all today and sending it out to everybody. So yeah, expect expect some free stuff coming your way. Very cool. Um, but no, uh Chris really loved the idea. It was his brainchild. He was like, What if we made a line of artists that you have interviewed, but we make them all into parodies? And I was like, show me some some ideas. And he showed me yours, and he showed me uh Ryan Capibara and David Grilled Cheese, and we have a handful of other ones, Forrest Day and some others, and uh they're all gonna be up there. It's our artist line. Um, they're very, very funny, very clever t-shirts. Uh, the just happy to be here shirt is of course our golden retriever Danny.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

So with a blue mohawk. I love it. I absolutely love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

So so, anyways, um, yes, our merch is up. Please go enjoy that. And uh, yeah, thank you guys for listening. It's very, very warm.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:17

So we need to get those mugs, and we'll just have like ice in them from now on.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

Like I'll just I'll just have ice chips in my I always drink coffee on the show, so I will I'm gonna get that and my coaster. I'm gonna put it right here on the desk. Perfect, perfect storm. All right, guys, it's been incredible, and we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:40

Bye, everybody.