Sean Martin Of The Quarantined On PTSD Healing And Building An Independent Music Career

Welcome And Quick Life Updates

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I think I'm the worst person to have a podcast.

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I can barely feel what is up, everybody.

Sean’s New Releases And Indie Marketing

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Welcome back to the show. I am your host, Harley, joined as always by my co-hosts Taylor and Chris, and a super special guest today. We have Sean Martin from the band The Quarantined. Sean, how are you, sir? Good, good. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here. It's great to have you. I'm really excited. I genuinely am a big fan of your music. I had not heard of you until I got the email. And now I'm a huge fan. Um absolutely love what you've got going on. Um, so but before we dive into all of that, we are a music show. Today's topics, we're gonna be talking to Sean about his music career, and we are going to go over the song of the week. Um, we're gonna discuss the fact that Godsmack dropped some huge news, uh, but first some life updates. Sean, what's new in your world?

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Oh, well, um geez. Uh I am uh looking into um the processes to releasing new songs um independently. I've got uh a new version of Unspoken. Um it's really it's it's got the full um full production behind it. It'll be it'd be really cool. The the the previous version does uh have you know the full production behind it, but this is uh done in an entirely different way. So it's gonna be it's gonna be really cool. It's gonna be like a little extra bonus for uh uh you know to lead into the next one, Instagram Hell. Oh, okay, okay. That's one that I came up doing uh an open mic tour around the US. That's awesome. Hell yeah, man. That's exciting. Yeah, yeah, thanks. So I'm I'm looking forward to doing that, focusing on a lot of the business side of things, you know, like all of the different options that you know, you can create fan accounts, you can uh do influencer marketing, you can do uh, you know, Spotify ads and playlisting and all of these different things. I'm looking into every single one of them, and I'm I'm a lot of times I want to punch things, and other times I'm like, oh, that's a really great idea. Why didn't somebody else do it? And then a lot of times I'll be like, This is done horribly wrong, this is done really right. How do you contact these people to say, stop screwing up, you assholes? Jesus, you know, so it's a lot of you know, going back playing guitars, playing video games, screaming into my pillow, you know, petting my dog, going for walks. I just went up to Mammoth Mammoth Cave National Park the other day. Like nice, beautiful, it's so beautiful. Uh, I so like, and that's also part of it, like is staying going and touching grass every once in a while. It's really important, guys. Very underrated.

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Agreed.

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Um, Taylor, what's going on in your world?

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Hmm. I got off work an hour early today, and that was really cool.

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That's exciting.

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And I also went out and touched grass. I went on an hour walk yesterday.

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Nice.

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Yeah, other than that, nothing.

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How about you, Chris? Uh my wife, my wife got three teeth pulled today. So I haven't I haven't really been yelled at, so that's awesome. It's good.

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So is it all gums in the front or the back?

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Back.

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Nice, nice.

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Was it uh was it uh they put her under or was she uh wide awake? Just some some global anesthetic. Yeah. Ooh, ooh, she's brave.

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Yeah, bravest girl I know.

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Um, I have not touched grass today. I uh unfortunately have been playing Minecraft since 7 a.m. this morning. Um and I we've been touching virtual grass. That is true. That is true. That should count, right?

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You're halfway there.

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Um, but no, I think I think I've legitimately played like nine hours today. Uh I'm addicted. I I I had to stop. So I stopped and then I started cleaning the house right before my wife came up.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

I feel that too, man. You know, I I've lately I've been playing the new Diablo just because listening to podcasts while I do it, and that's it's nice. Like I've got to do it for like you know, like a solid four hours or so, and right and and then after that, it's like okay, now I'm like ready to head back in the in the regular world again. It's it's a it's a nice, nice, good break.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

I also was listening to podcasts all day while I was playing Minecraft. Yeah. Um one of which may or may not have been this show. Um, so anyways, Chris, I know we have some music news to cover. Let me know what's going on.

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So God smack drops a new live album, and two lifelong band members step away, ending an era of the band. Uh, Tony, and I'm I'm gonna butcher this last name. You always give me the names. Why? Why? Uh Tony Rambola nailed it, and Shannon Larkin have officially stepped away from the band God Smack due to touring fatigue. The band will carry on and on and rebrand without two core members moving forward. There is no drama. Oh, this is a quote from Tony Rambola. Sorry. There is no drama. This live album is meant to be a curtain call. You know what? We're gonna have to cut that, Harley. We're gonna have to cut that. Too many words, man.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Too many words. Um so so Tony uh said, There is no drama. This is a live album. It's meant to be a curtain call to the original band and bring life to its new lineup. Uh so the the band will continue on with Solyarna, and um I'm drawing a blank right now on the bass player's name. Um, so forgive me. Um, and then they will add a new drummer and a new lead guitar player. Uh, so yeah, it's it's huge in the the metal hard rock community. Uh Sean, are you a fan of the band Godsmack?

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I am a fan of Godsmack. I've been listening to them since I mean early 2000s. Yeah, me too, yeah. Yeah, definitely part of that um new. I mean, dude, like every dude with tattoos who I ever knew is like, dude, Godsmack. Have you heard of God? Like they would lose their minds, man. Their fans are absolutely nutball for them. And it's great, dude. It's absolutely great. A lot of their a lot of their music um is right in like right next to the quarantines. It in in its uh you know, hard guitars and and gravelly delivery and and you know, heavy drums, that kind of stuff. Um, yeah, I mean it I'm I love I love them, and I I definitely know um about touring fatigue. Like that I have not done anything near the kind of stuff that Godsmack has. Let me preface that. I've not even done anything close to that. I've got my own, like by myself, you know, right? That kind of going around and like, can I actually do this? I've dipped my toe in eh this bit. And especially for everything they've got going on, man. It is a massive production. Everything that those big those big uh you know events and big venues have, um, truly not to be underestimated um for everything you have to do for those. Um, not just everything else is going around with you uh and and you know getting crushed by a lighting or stuff, you know, like you have to be you have to be smart, you have to be thinking, you have to be on your toes the entire time, especially if you're a musician. Yeah, absolutely. And if you're not fully 100% there, if you got stuff going on that that's you know in your life that keeps you from being a hundred percent focused.

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No, one hundred percent. And I think the the fatigue, the touring fatigue is definitely real. Um, but also I think that just fatigue in general in any uh occupation is one hundred percent real. Um, touring burnout is a major epidemic in the music industry for sure. I think it's the to me, uh personally, I think it's the leading cause of um drug use within the industry uh because you have to find a way to get through the actual tour. You're exhausted, every single day is a new day, you know, and you need just something to help. But um, yeah, I 100% agree.

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Back in the day, this is why they loved cocaine. This is why it keeps the upper register completely open, man. Like Axle Rose can really hit those high notes if he just gets a bump before he goes, man. Trust me.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Trust me. Yeah. Um Chris, what else do we have going on?

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Uh labels are leaning into full album releases again, marking a shift in the industry as vinyl begins to dominate the consumer market and open up more profitable releases compared to streaming.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Yeah, this is huge, actually. Uh, I'm I'm a vinyl collector myself. Um, but the industry has acknowledged the the resurgence of vinyl records in music and found that they are more profitable because of how much Spotify and and other streaming services have moved more towards independent artists and less through the labels. So they found a way to make their profits back by selling major album releases again on vinyl. Um granted, the the production costs are a little higher, but you can produce uh a limited edition product, a tangible handheld product, and we all want that right now. Um, so I'm super excited about it. I think that it's going to mean good things moving forward. Um, Sean, how do you feel as an artist in this uh sphere? How do you feel about that kind of coverage? Uh uh the story.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Um, that's it's you guys are stealing my idea, damn it. Okay, I was planning on doing a that's why I'm making two new singles. You're gonna put it on vinyl? Because I've already built up, I've built up a selection of audience already. I've I've already had some release success with Spotify, so I've already got the numbers. I'm I'm releasing a merch thing to go along, uh a merch store to go along with it. It's very soon gonna be ready. Oh, that's exciting. Yeah, and then I'm gonna have vinyl to go along with it, and that's the only kind of hard copy that I'm planning on having. Why? Because vinyl's so damn rich, because you can make those extra releases, you can reach a new audience, um, and it does cost more, but you get more profit. Yes, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. So if you only sell a thousand of them, great, fantastic.

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Now, are you going to are you going to do uh like a colored vinyl? Oh, yeah. Oh, now we're talking, man. I will be purchasing that for sure.

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Yeah, thank you.

From Soldier To Musician And DIY Strategy

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Absolutely. I I'm uh a huge fan of your genre of music. Godsmack is one of my all-time favorites, uh, disturbed uh tool, pretty much any of that, like 2000s hard rock heavy metal. That was kind of my bread and butter. I know Chris is a big fan of that genre as well. Um, Taylor's a big fan of that genre as well. So your music very much resonated with this show. Um let's dive into the interview portion, and we will talk about that song of the week after, uh, because I think that this is a strong segue into your music career. Um tell me a little bit about how you got started in the industry. I know that you are a veteran from the Iraq war, and I just want to say thank you so much for your service. Um, please tell us your story.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Thank you for your support. I I really appreciate it. Um, yeah, so uh I I joined the um the airborne infantry when I was um just after my 18th birthday. Um, went to the 3rd of the 509th in uh Fort Richardson, Alaska, and we trained up in Alaska for Iraq. And it doesn't really make a lot of sense, like if you're thinking of those climates are like the totally opposite, right? Well, you'd be surprised just how much walking in snow feels like walking in sand. Oh, interesting. The differences of of of um paying attention to cold weather injuries and hot weather injuries, the same.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

I never I never even considered that. That's crazy.

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Yeah, so there are weird little similarities, and you know, we also went to um Fort Polk, Louisiana, to to train there um in August, and that kicked the shit out of us. Well, like I I myself got three three heat strokes. Wow, and you're like if after you get the third, it's like if you get the fourth, like that's it. Like this is like getting struck by lightning a whole bunch of times, and it it's because we were there and it was 105, 100 humidity the entire time. Wow, and we're doing you know, like full-on company-wide movements. Uh, like everyone is moving through the the woods for like multiple clicks at a time. It's it was it was horrible. I got smoked a few times because I forgot my weapon. It was awful, it was a bad, bad situation. Um, and then you know, we went to uh um Thailand, went and trained with a Thai military there, um, specifically a ranger unit there. That um it was uh we spent like two weeks there. Uh, we got to do three days in Bangkok. The craziest shit if you can imagine a whole bunch of army infantry dudes let loose on Bangkok for three days, staying in a five-star hotel with and they can spend as much money as they want to because they've been saving up for the last six months. It was some shit, man. Yeah, so there was a whole bunch of really like really awesome experiences to go along with the deployment, which was absolutely atrocious and horrible. And that really, really uh in essence left me with PTSD. Um, and then figuring out that PTSD is not just um I'm scared of things, it's a permanent change to your nervous system. Your nervous system now reacts to whatever the fuck it wants to, anytime it feels like it, whenever the hell it wants to, regardless of anything that you're doing. That's really what PTSD is. It's not about I'm scared of something. So whenever people would throw around that joke, I'd be like, that's not really what PTSD is. But hey, the joke lands every time. So what are you gonna do? Thank you, thank you. Yeah. Um, so then we went, I went to Musicians Institute, um graduated uh in 2012. I was signed to a submajor label. Um, I was dropped from a submajor label um subsequently, not long after it. Um I've had a from then I've been doing things independently and I've been um trying to refine and uh and perfect the artist-centric business model where you are focused on um the revenue streams that you can create and generate um and getting experts to manage and refine those um so that you're not constantly worried about um the merch thing, you can focus on the music. And this is what you know, it's essentially modeled after um a some of what the major labels would provide for you with artist development. But when you know what those details are, and I learned about in in from Musicians Institute, I learned how to do a lot of those myself so that then I can focus on just the revenue streams. And once you get orientated in that way, then it started to click. Um, there's still issues, you still have to deal with contractors. And contractors are sometimes I I've been saying that 50% of the people who you meet in the music industry are either actively or passively, or will eventually, or are trying to actively rip you off. And they know it. And they motherfucking know it. So so here's the so with that in mind, the thing that I've come to realize is the most important member of your band has to be the lawyer, right?

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Okay, our lawyer.

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So so from from moving forward, um, you know, uh with a version to normalcy, this it's reached uh, you know, well over a million streams. Um, and we're there's still much more to go with it. We've barely just begun to roll out the plan that we have for this album. Um, and it's taken a long time because uh of of a lot of different extraneous circumstances, um, and uh but we still have to keep moving forward. Um it's I still have yet to do a perfect release, still. And I've and I've done three albums so far.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

So as far as revenue streams go in the music industry, obviously touring is one, streaming slash releasing music is another. What other revenue streams are there?

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Uh well, it's important to recognize that um each of these revenue streams is is uh reinforces the other. So, for example, streaming, it's not just about how much money you earn from from Spotify. It's about how you can take that monthly listenership and say, This is how many people are interacting with me, and that matters to other brand sponsorships, other revenue streams like touring to give you a higher premium so you can earn, so you can have the waters raise all boats, right? Right, right. That's the idea. So so now we're talking about sync licensing, which is another revenue stream, which is placing your music in TV film commercials. And for me, my music is not very commercial. I doubt it's gonna be put into a fucking gap commercial, right? So I I hope to god it does like that. Feeding you lies put into a gap commercial. Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. Maybe I'll do it just myself, just to fucking you know, stick it in their crowd. Who knows? But normally this goes to film, TV, and since with the expansion of Netflix, you want to try to get into the sync, the sync libraries and into the sync directors and the music directors of these different shows because it's still difficult. There's a lot of websites that are out there that will give you you we can get you into sync licensing, not really. Like it there, a lot of them sync library sync libraries are for people who are constantly creating uh new pieces of music, yeah. Not like entire yeah, like if they're making a specific reggae song, then yeah, anything, it's just a beat, it's a reggae beat, and they're gonna then do another genre and another genre the next day, the next day, next day, and those dudes can license that music out perpetually because they own it and they made it and they can make a living off of it. So we're talking if you dedicate yourself to one of these red of these um revenue streams entirely and professionally, you can make an entire career off of it if you do it yourself. You have to be willing right to not let other people tell you that oh, I'm gonna get you the the big thing, I'm gonna get you exactly where you need to go. All you need to do is then no, that no, you have to go and do it yourself, and you can, you can. I believe in you.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

I believe I um I did some work for the History Channel through somebody else, um and produced uh a song for like just background music, um with a guy. Um, and it went onto the history channel, and I was just paid a flat rate of like 200 bucks. So he absolutely took advantage of me. Yeah, yeah, yes, he did.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Because normally those things are like in the thousands, yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

He was probably paid thousands.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Hey, you you mentioned that uh you know you have yet to do a perfect release. By what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_00 21:59

I mean uh making an album release that didn't have some kind of major hiccup to it. Oh something terrible happened. Something catastrophic that totally kneecapped the shit out of it, and we still did that well. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, okay, and not specific, can't get more specific than that. Cannot get more specific than that.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Now you you lean into a lot of that uh catastrophic. Catastrophic kind of uh existentialism in your songs too, in your writing. Yes. Um, tell me a little bit about the lyrical themes of this most recent album.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Uh so um aversion to normalcy um is uh the line that I have to go along with it is um when tyranny becomes the norm, in order to survive, you'll need an aversion to normalcy. So the idea behind it is that these songs are uh describing the defiance, laying out the situations in which you have to make uh consequential decisions. How are you going to formulate the answer to those those questions that must be answered? You you don't have have a choice, you have to pick. So, how do you formulate what to really do? That's the motivating factor behind aversion to normalcy, and the music is a description of that experience, yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Um and and your themes uh in the videos as well lean heavily into um almost like uh like a Sophie's choice type thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Is that kind of what you're going for? In a way, yeah. Yeah, I mean, especially Nemesis friend of mine is very much about it because it's it can it contains you will see someone go through the entire five stages of grief. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but you will also see them dealing with a narcissist, a bully, right? Someone who has complete control over their life. Maybe it's you know, not it it seems weird to us. Like, how can someone control it? Trust me, it happens all the time, every day, continuously. Yeah, you're you're more people than you know live in completely controlled lives.

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It's very like um um heavy, I think is the best way to describe it. Like your your visuals are very heavy. Um but it is a direct representation of the music too. How do you how do you encapsulate that uh that darkness in the tones and melodies that you choose? Like how how do you how do you uh as a songwriter myself and as a musician, I have a hard time. Um I can write something that comes from darkness and sadness, but the tone always comes out happy in my guitar. So how do you encapsulate that in the melodies in the in the actual song itself?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Oh, okay. So that that's a very good question, and that's a very subject, the answer is very subjective. Um, so how to connect with a really dark thing? I don't just connect with the sadness of a really dark thing, I connect with the conquering of it. So if we're talking about a fear, you know, staying in the I'm perpetually afraid isn't really much for a story arc for a song, right? But I conquered a fear is so when you change the the the orientation, and you could still talk about the same thing, but when you change the orientation to conquering something, well, then you're I mean, I'm pretty sure that's God's mack, right? So you know, like so. I mean, you see what I mean? Like it it uh yeah, as soon as you orientate differently on on the problem, um, and focus on a like for me, I I tried to put every good solution that I had into my music, not just describing the situation, but that that's part of it because you need to get the frame of reference. But once you have the frame of reference, then you can start making choices, and truly that process of songwriting works for regular life. If you go across regular life where you think before you act, then you can start be then you can take critical thinking into your life instead of just reacting emotionally. So the song is laying out the process in lyrics, in process, in its creation about critical thinking.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

I I've never approached songwriting that way. That's really cool. Um yeah, I'm gonna try that with a couple of things that I've wrote actually. That's uh it's really interesting. Uh, because I always write from a personal perspective. I try to I try to make it vague enough for an audience, you know what I mean? But it's still telling a story from that personal perspective, and it's again you're exactly right. It's it's outlining the situation, it's not giving a resolve at all. So yeah, no, I I really like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

That's awesome. Yeah, I I I like this because it allows the listener to um put themselves into the situation instead of just listening passively, then it becomes something that you experience, and when it becomes something you experience, then it's something you connect emotionally to, and then that creates then we can start to uh relate to people. Um, you know, oh, is like it's the situation? Yeah, it's like a second verse of nemesis, right? Right, right, right. I get you now. See what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Um man, that that's your concepts are so heavy, and and um your visuals are thematically like very end times. How how did you decide on the the gas mask motif?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Um so the it was the the thing that connected in the logo to um to the biohazard sign. So the logo is a gas mask behind a biohazard sign behind devil horns. Oh, I didn't catch the devil horns, that's hilarious. Yeah, that's it is so uh and then in the center, those aren't those are supposed to represent teeth, but that's not teeth. That I kissed, I had my girlfriend at the time put on lipstick. I kissed a piece of paper, faxed it over, literally faxed it, over to my to my graphic designer, where he then put those on and it looks like teeth, but it's actually my lipstick. That's crazy. So there's love and there's the there's love and hate and anger and repression and um over and overcoming all of those within the logo itself. That's incredible.

PTSD Truths And Getting Real Help

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You you have a very, very good way of kind of outlining uh a lot of mental health topics and um outlining how to overcome them within the music. Uh you also are a very big advocate on mental health, clearly. Uh tell us a little bit about that journey and what uh talking about mental health means to you.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Yeah, so um for for me, when I was diagnosed with PTSD, um, I really didn't understand what it was or what it was going to be. Um, I knew how I was at the moment, and I was lying to myself about how okay I was completely. Um, you know, I'd drown myself in half a bottle of vodka and be like, no, I'm good, man. I'm good. I can stand. I can stand. I'm good. I would do that shit. And like we don't realize that like that's like desperate for help. That's absolutely desperate. And you're trying to avoid asking for it. That's why it looks like that. And and when we now, like now we can look at uh a younger generation and know that, but it's only because of mental health education that we see that every previous generation was like, he's just a little drunk, he'll he'll he'll sleep it off because they never put any importance on what that actually means, what that action, what that collective set of actions actually says. So when we so I think that not just an understanding of psychology, but an understanding of mental health is what will help us create a more inclusive, uh, more understanding society that isn't just based off of judgment and punishment, which is, I believe, what our society truly is based around.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

No, that I 100% agree. Um, so if you were to kind of uh give someone a piece of uh advice uh that's dealing with some uh PTSD, um, because PTSD is a a very broad spectrum. It it comes from uh being a veteran, of course, it comes from a lot of different areas, including like childhood trauma. Uh so how would you kind of approach somebody that hasn't reached that help level yet?

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Ooh, um get yourself to therapy to start with. First step. It doesn't matter what the situation is. Um get yourself stable, get yourself safe, and get yourself to therapy. Um, it is absolutely necessary if you know or are at the bottom of this, but can still realize and think that you have something to look forward to, something to grasp for. You know that you can ask more of yourself, but you can't like not just focus, but be present in your life because of this shit that happened to you before that is still fucking with you. It's very, very important to get yourself to therapy so that you start to understand the biological responses of PTSD and how your baseline actually is. When you can understand what your nervous system is, you'll eventually have to separate and detach your feelings from your emotions. You'll eventually get to the point to where you're you'll realize it'll be like, oh, my nervous system is making me completely screwed up right now. My hands are all sweaty, you know, it's something that is weird. I can't, like it's shaky. I don't understand why. Um, I want to get the f out of here, and I'm sitting in a really nice restaurant. What the hell is, you know, like if you can be able to create the environment that facilitates metacognition, you will eventually get yourself to a level to where PTSD is just another thing that you deal with, but you have to accept what is going on with you, and you have to accept that the sim the ways that which you're dealing with it that land you in really shitty positions and shitty situations can be better. Somebody else may have a better answer than what you've come up with already. You have to be in that position, be teachable. And if you can be teachable about this stuff, man, you can learn and overcome it. You can. I have chills. Yeah, man, that is that is that is from over and over and over and over and over again calling the suicide hotline, talking to therapists, inpatient clinics, teams of doctors, VA psych wards. Real deal. Yeah, it's from the real shit from actually going through this and coming out on the other side with the actual good at advice because I went to the better source for it. I didn't just ask my buddy, dude, I'm feeling kind of weird right now and accepting, man. You just need to, you know, smoke a few more cigarettes, you'll be fine. Don't just rely on on regular ass people for complex questions. This is why we have experts, and and as a as a millennial generation, um, we want to be able to do everything ourselves because we can't rely on the generation that came before us, and we look forward at the at the generation before we go, some of you do, but not all of you. And now you're feeling more and more isolated because you're looking around our generation, you're like, what the fuck is the matter with all of you? I'm scared of my own generation. So, like, it's you you still have to go through this process of of creating the boundaries and sit in and and for your life and treat yourself the best that you can to create the best version of yourself. When you go and do that work, you go and and and find the experts to help you get to the right place and accept that answer and learn with it, and don't just cut yourself off of failure, but learn from your failures, then you'll create the next generation of better than you. Um that's what we want.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

So obviously, music is very therapeutic to you and to me, and I think most people. Um, did you find that after coming home and starting to get involved in music and getting into uh the process of writing and everything, did that help overcome some of that? I'm sorry, repeat the question. That's okay. Um, so so um so becoming a musician, did that help overcome some of the stuff that you were going through, being able to write those thoughts down on paper and and kind of get some of that uh process out? You know, did that kind of help through that process?

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Yes. I mean, first the music started as like, you know, my secret writing, and like this is how I really feel, and I can't really show anybody because man, I was still living in an opera in a very paranoid state. Yeah, I I I when I got back and was in 2009, right after I got back, man, I thought the world was out to get me. Los Angeles is not a safe city. I don't know if you have ever been there. I have not, no. Yeah, some know, some need an explanation, and some nod their head and be like, oh yeah. Um, so it's when I when I was there, a lot of places were safer than how it is now. North Hollywood was was a great place to walk around post you know 6, 7 p.m. I mean, they were really awesome bars around there. There was a a school, a design, an art and design school that was fantastic. It had a bunch of really cool people around there, venues all up and down. Now, not so much. There are still some bars and stuff, but that design school got moved the fuck out for no good reason. There's a whole bunch of really weird shit that started to happen all around Los Angeles, and then the fires just made it even worse. And now that and now that entire area is reeling, and they have no idea. And I I just really, really feel for from my Angelino friends, um, because they still have to operate under these environmental restraints and constraints, and it's it's more than what I'd think most people would understand. It's living out here around, you know, in the in the you know, trees and stuff around in the south. It's like, you know, whatever. But it truly is a different kind of thing, and to really understand other people's thing, uh, it's it's empathy. You gotta have it.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Right, right, right. Um, Chris, do you have anything that you wanted to ask? I don't I don't want to hog the spotlight here.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Uh no, every every everything that's been brought up so far has been handled really well. Jesus Christ. Have you ever have you have you ever thought about like um I don't know, being a therapist?

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Um, yes. Um, but uh, you know, this for the same reason that I uh don't have any kids. Um I had to learn how to take care of myself, man. And it's just now where I'm starting to feel stable enough with myself 20 years. I mean, what kind of terrible advice would I have given if I had just gone into therapy unhealed and going and trying to heal other people? That's a recipe for psychosis. It's a recipe for narcissism, and you will never diagnose it because you're a therapist, you're smarter than that. I've seen it already a thousand fucking times, just in my advocacy work. What I'm really looking forward to is public speaking. Is creating and taking an entire speech show, you know, talking about these kinds of things to relate these tools to people. So and I'm still refining it. So I'm looking to use these speaking skills that I have, these experiences, these um ideas, and and and all the best advice that I've learned um and put it into practice um for people and to give people the the full layout of it. I'm still I'm still trying to figure out how exactly to do that. But with all these, I'm getting closer and closer.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

No, you're truly like your story is incredible, number one, and your your speech is powerful, and like I'm I'm at a loss for words. I I truly like I I've been dealing with a lot. You can ask these guys, we've talked about I've been dealing with a lot recently. So like you're very, very empowering, and and I appreciate it more than you could ever actually know. That's so good. I'm so shut.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Yeah. If um you you you do advocacy work, if um if if someone wanted to help out uh in a monetary way, uh how would how would one do that?

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Um right now our band camp is the is the thing which we can accept um donations. So you could go and buy one of the albums and then put pick your price. So so that's that's available right now. Uh thequarantined.bancamp.com.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Um, obviously the band is the quarantined uh Sean Martin. Um thank you so much for hanging out with us today. I I I feel horrible. I should have been announcing that stuff throughout the whole thing. But uh yeah, yes, Taylor.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

I just I have something to say.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 40:36

I have read all of Atomic Habits. I don't know if you guys know the book, but it's like, you know, how to change your life, blah blah blah blah. Great book, great book. I feel more motivated now than I did by the end of that book. Like I'm ready to go out on a jog and do better for my future self. All because it's Sean. I love it!

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Taylor. I really, really appreciate that.

unknown 41:06

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Um so I do want to talk about the song of the week that I picked this week, which was the song Molly by the band Sponge, a classic 90s tune. Uh, yes, Taylor.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

I would like to record a show. I listened to it.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Hey, you actually listened to it. I did. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

Continue.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Well, what did you think?

SPEAKER_05 41:33

Um, uh, let's see what you thought first.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Well, so it's it's a classic to me. I grew up with the song. Um it's obviously uh a direct reference to the movie Sixteen Candles. Uh, the song uh is a reference to Molly Ringwald from the movie. Um, but the lyrics of that song dive into the darker storytelling of that movie and the fact that uh it's it's kind of like an uh faux pas movie. Like she falls in love with her teacher, her teacher rejects her, and she's you know, 16 trying to find her way through puberty and through childhood and and becoming an adult slowly but faster than she should have. Uh, it's a really beautiful movie, and uh the song's a really beautiful song, and it has that that happy tone to a darker side of things and a super catchy chorus, 16 candles down the drain. It's just an all-around good song. So and it's sponge, you don't get very many sponge songs out there.

SPEAKER_05 42:35

So I didn't like get it at first. It sounded when I was listening to it. I'm like, this feels dystopian. Like I was listening to it, and uh, you know, like something's just not right. Yeah, listening, you're like, something's a little off. Um, but I also I guess I've never seen 16 Candles, so I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

It's a good movie, it was uh I think the 80s. It it was like Breakfast Club and Sixteen Candles are that sounds like a movie thing from there. Yeah, I don't want to say for sure that they're connected, but I think it's the same character from Breakfast Club in 16 Candles. I'm like pretty darn sure about that. Okay, uh, but they're both great movies, great coming of age movies, being alone with your teacher.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

Well, it was the 80s, it was the 80s, dude, and then our generation just totally lived that shit out, man. Uh, we're so bad at that. It's every other day I see it some, you know, another teacher. There we go. Yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Um, the teacher, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Literally talk about it. You know, the Hoffman teacher. I love that song, man. Oh, Van Halen.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

You know what's crazy is it's there's still there's still like not to dive super super into that kind of world, um, but like there is still this stigma of like for some reason, if it's a girl, it's still not as penalized as it should be, like, which is wild. I still know guys that'll be like uh lucky kid. It's like we're getting molested. What what are we doing? What are we doing?

Guess The Song Game And Birthday Chaos

SPEAKER_00 44:21

So that you know that is what. the bigger things left over from from you know rape culture yeah yes yeah still part of it it's it's one of those yeah one of those things it's like just one of those symptoms but yep yeah uh we do have a super fun game plan today these two don't know about it we're gonna be knew there was something off the docket we're gonna be playing guess the song in three seconds oh no yes do I stand in love this game um so today we're gonna do a video version uh that way we can all enjoy hearing it um so we're gonna go in order we're gonna start with Sean and then Chris and then Taylor um and I'm just gonna be the game host you guys are gonna guess them and I will keep tallies over on here to tell us who wins um sorry my phone is old so it takes me a moment okay Charlie has like an iPhone 3 all right all right all right so Sean you're gonna kick us off this is uh 100 songs that everyone knows uh and we'll see I think you're going to know a lot of them I think that Chris and Taylor are gonna struggle perfecty turn this down a hair though because it's gonna be very loud and let me know if you can't hear it welcome to a new video tell us in the comments how many you got right let's go take with me I will always love you so good I will always love you Whitney Houston nailed it that's right that's right please please don't cry yeah you think we'll get copyrighted we might get copyrighted we already are oh right all right Taylor you're up oh gone okay but you still be mistakes Rihanna umbrella umbrella by Rihanna look at you nailing the birds what am I I think my favorite song of Rihanna is absolutely oh Chris are you ready go ahead I've got no idea oh I love the song I know it's the CPR song what do you mean you don't really chest compressions made alive yeah yeah um those hundred times for me the bee gees the bee gees the bee boys listen I learned it with another one that bites the dust oh disgusting that was way heavier than it was supposed to be uh uh they don't actually do that right what did you did you actually learn it with that oh yeah that's yeah yeah you do with a song yeah but that's like very morbid right yeah dude oh you know well in that moment what are you wanting them to do stay alive no no no no i meant no I meant uh Chris's version in oh yeah oh no yeah that's they literally taught it to you with another one bites the dust that's crazy oh so now that's nice dude yeah that that seems a little yeah all right Sean Europe that's uh oh see unfortunately I get all of these uh bands mixed up because they're all one gigantic boy band to me so um so yeah I mean they're all the same um but uh I know it's I want it that way I know that um and I'm gonna say that's uh NSync to Backstreet Boys is it Backstreet Boys Taylor I I also oh and see I always get it mixed up I always get a mix I hear them and I think the same thing the they're n sync slash the box oh yeah I want it that way it's Backstreet Boys oh yeah see when and this is really fun a small quick little anecdote when I was in chorus we did uh it's gonna be me at a chorus title and we did dressed up in like costumes and everything and lip synced it so it was like totally uh because everyone's like like singing along with the piano and like one microphone it's very intimate candle lit we come in there and blasting it's gonna be me and doing dance moves it was absolutely it's gonna be May did uh did somebody let Justin Timberlake know today's May 1st that's right all right uh Taylor what's May 1st uh today's gonna be May yeah it's it's a whole it's a whole thing oh wait wait a second you know it is may 1st and you know only yes only one of you has an excuse not to wish me a happy birthday oh oh sons of bitches oh wait not you sean you're cool you're cool yeah happy birthday chris let me give the first one to thank you guys chris happy birthday bud chris happy birthday now we're gonna have to do we're gonna have to do a whole thing you know what start the whole show over top of it not not not to victim blame not to victim blame um chris why didn't you tell anyone how am I supposed to know when your birthdays I thought we're I thought we're bros yeah but you were just born like last month I just I barely know you know what's so funny is I was telling people at work today I was like I don't think I know anyone born on May 1st who's born on the first of the month and you are Chris happy birthday happy birthday bud thank you guys I think that you probably did tell me at some point and just like everybody else's birthday I forgot he literally doesn't know our mother's birthday that's not true I do now because of Pokemon Day it's the day before Pokemon Day every year.

SPEAKER_05 51:06

From the bottom of my heart I am sincerely sorry that I did not know it was your birthday no it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

It's all good you're good hey isn't our dad's birthday in May imagine Chris was like it's not my birthday I was just screwing with you guys um yes our dad's birthday is also in May ah see isn't there a holiday this month too isn't like Mother's Day this month it's Mother's Day and it's also Memorial Day hey a lot of stuff going on in May cool it's a very important month Taylor it is your turn place to go oh dancing queen yeah by ABBA yeah but yeah oh abba same difference tomato tomato that was my uh senior marching band song really dude what Chris we can both be heartbroken what do you mean you were I don't remember that was it was awful I was definitely there I heard that song for like five months all right Chris your turn but sleeping to be so creeping I've heard it I don't know you you definitely have heard it you don't like this lady is it Billy Eyelash it is Billy Eyelash yes yes that's all I know opposite of a great gal is a great gown opposite of a great gal the opposite of a great lady bad bitch oh that's great oh just okay let's go what is it it's bad guy by Billy Eilish oh duh the video for this is such an innovative weird thing it yes yeah the dude with the knees at the first part that's always crazy she really found the weird ass thing to put in there man yeah yeah I don't know how but she did there's also like three transitions in that song like it it's like it's like three different songs in one it's crazy it's yeah terrible to play that's I also had to play that in college awful uh Sean it is your turn sir and want to be a beautiful almost every day on the radio and it is um and why can't I the name of it was just my uh I'm an idiot oh it was why am I blanking on everything I I sing this like all the time it's uh I even see it you got it Sean I believe in you oh yeah I am oh man I'm so mad at myself right now I'm so I'm more mad at myself than I can think of what it is I'm gonna have to give up I and I shouldn't I know I shouldn't I'm failing your rhythmics and sweet dreams I mean I even yeah I sweet dreams are made of cheese sweet dreams are made of cheese and the Marilyn Manson version and like I know all that stuff like yes I mean I seriously listen to that almost like every day because I listen to Jack FM all the time oh okay okay around in the small time where I'm at it's like the better radio station than 10 000 country stations and so it comes on all the time and I just uh the Eurythmics the arithmetic shout out to the Eurythmics I am so sorry I love the also growing up I thought it was the arithmetics so there we go they're kind of spelled the same one of them is definitely math yep you choose which one it is all right uh Taylor blue is the color about that oh they picked a crazy part of that song huh okay um there's no way you know this song I was gonna say the first millisecond it throws so I have no idea what I'm working with well I don't know what that is the blue man group so I'm just I just want to back that up first like wait well that's a whole other conversation what yeah no I I was confused about what that I I don't even remember that song they picked up like like the the um the bridge of the song instead of the chorus I mean the name of the song was in mine i i have zero excuse but that was yeah let's that was taken a listen back on that one that was weird oh yeah i missed the first part that's what it was yeah it that was what a pick on the section of the song that that was good usually these are super easy that was good all right uh taylor i can't believe you don't know this song you have to listen to this song Eiffel 65's blue i already listened to a song you wanted me to do today and I don't know if I can do another one I promise you you will love this song and you will be singing it around the house all day long if you were green you would die Taylor if you were green you would die I just bought it Chris just Chris it is your turn sir I am a bee I'm a bee in the one who would dance I don't know the name of the song it's Michael Jackson Billy Jean Sean Sean please understand this I don't dude I listen I go I listen to something I hear it I like it I buy it I never look at it again like I listen to it a lot I don't look at it I I did the exact same thing with with sweet dreams of your rhythmics I I know that song and I uh the name of it just flew out of my head for no good reason and I and honestly I would do a lot of the same things especially when I had an MP3 player I'd be like oh it's that song from one time I even did that in class actually I thought that the Ramones was like somebody else like it we we're talking about like like you know some other like rock band or like you know like like Boston or something I was and I thought that like the the Ramones song title was a Boston song so I was like oh I love the Ramones at like a random ass time so yeah like I I've I've screwed up big time because of that just not knowing song titles absolutely yeah also Chris we talked about this exact song two weeks ago to the day actually dude I don't remember what I memory is this shitty thing man I feel you man I I I've had memory issues too I have I have a keen memory um I also listened to the episode like two days ago so um you said you have a keen memory but you forgot Chris's birthday well it's because I had to remember that he knows Billy Jean by you listen to what's more important I don't have room in here for Chris's birthday I have to remind him that he knows Billy Jean Chris I always have room uh motivations and intentions are revealed through actions um Sean you are up so far I haven't had to keep track because we are completely tied up other than Chris's minus two men back on top company this one I do know casha yeah it is casha tick tock yep tick tock by casha so long it's even drugs yeah that is a drug yeah that is a that is a get that is a get fucked up in in 2014 15 yes yeah um also I agree I hated this song for a very long time but now I'm happy when it comes on oh yeah dude it's a box yeah but when it came out it was every single day it is true like 10 hours a day yeah coke casha music and like clean cash up music are two very different vibes and I unfortunately prefer coke casha yes 100 yes happy she's living a bright lifestyle now yeah yeah her songs have a lot more depth now and a lot more severity and that's beautiful for her and she has a beautiful singing voice too like when she actually sings stunning stunning but I agree coke casha is the best version um any I will say I don't think we've seen the end of Kesha I think that that's a little bit more depth to show us in that before I was not a believer that Kesha was was very talented at all but that has very much changed.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

Absolutely absolutely I love that song that she had with Macklemore um can make us my shopping I can't remember the name of it but it's a very very serious song and it was right after everything came out about her manager and everything that she went through um and it was a very uplifting song fantastic she's yes good old days yep thank you she has such an incredible singing voice so incredible um Taylor your turn I'm ready that is queen bohemian rhapsody that is in fact queen Chris I'm gonna give you a uh a little bit of a break here taylor's getting all of the super easy ones if it matters I really am you know why that is you know what that is because you messed up the rotation Harley you said it's Sean then Chris then Taylor did I say that yes you said it's in order it's Sean then Chris and Taylor and I'm going is he going by age or beautifulness oh on my screen on my screen that was the order that it was and then for some reason it must have got switched um all right Taylor you nailed it's his birthday it's his birthday I'm such a dick it's his birthday Chris I love you so much I need you to understand how much you mean thank you for that Sean I'm trying to help I love you man I just met you but I love you it's you it's you goodbye everybody's going down one more shot another round ain't no way in hell you know this song one second give me more than three seconds it's going down I'm yelling better move I'm gonna say diddy better dance there we go no excuse my my I mean might as well I I recognize the artist before I recognize the song oh wait a second no no no no oh my pit bull diddy yeah I don't know the name of the song though that's okay that I don't blame you for it sounds like every single one of Pitbull's songs that's pitbull pit bull and I think was it now cash what is happening that one was all over the radio too I mean I was driving around in Los Angeles doing lift right lift driving at that point and oh I could not escape that song oh yeah Mr Worldwide yeah you can't accept uh escape Mr.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Worldwide Mr. Thrill's I'm legitimately all the nicknames we finished this show I am going into that room right there I am turning on timber and I'm having a house party with my family I love Pipple have you ever been to Miami? No I live in Florida though so I feel like I should go you should that's that's prime pitch two hours yeah I know yeah uh Taylor you have to go find him and tell me if he's as small as they say he is I think they say that he's like three and a half feet or something very tiny guy he's like he's kind of vicious yes like a like a dog of some sort right it's like something like that he's got like that like like big beefy dog energy um whose turn is it it's uh Sean's turn it's a love remind me of us we could have had it bad um what that's not the name of that song though isn't it that's not the worst of that song um you nailed it though it is Adele it's Adele um it is Adele Rolling in the deep that's because it's the next line that they couldn't play otherwise they'd give it away give it away yeah I love Adele especially as a singer her her soft palette work oh primo primo you want a model of a soft palette work on on a singer pick Adele yep yeah now if we're talking computers I'm an HP guy myself I like the math what um that just went right over I was talking about singing Adele Adele Adele I'm gonna get a Dell right over um so so we're not gonna do all 100 we're gonna do one more round um because we are running a little late here um this is a blast I love this game I yeah I agree um but unfortunately it's a Friday night and I have a toddler so oh he's a toddler now why is yeah yeah um so we're gonna go Taylor Chris and then we'll we'll call it oh yeah well yeah well we can With Sean. That's a good idea, Taylor. I like it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:26

It felt it felt right.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:28

All right, Taylor, your turn. Oh, ain't no way. Ain't no way you know this.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

I'm sure you've heard it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

Ain't no way you know that song.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:41

Is it that? It's uh late 90s, 90s, early 2000s.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:54

Yep. It is 90s. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:00

Oh, dude. I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:02

It's so close to the Peter the Peter Griffin version of it. It's so close.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:12

Wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

If you could pick it after all this nonsense, I'd be even more surprised, Chris. I'm sorry. You're so close. You're so close.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:20

You're mine. Hang on, hang on. After all, you're my it's not Wonder Wall, is it? It's Wonderwall! It's Wonderwall. Dude, Oasis.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

It is Oasis. Look at that universe. Chris, you ready?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:47

Lock in, Chris.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

We don't care. We are caught up in your love affair.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:55

Is it okay? So oh god, what's her name now? Jesus Christ. Is it Royals? Yes. Yes. Lord.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:04

Yes. That was incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:07

That was incredible.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:09

That was amazing. I'm baffled that you didn't know Billy Jean, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

Something, something string cheese. Also, Lord, another incredible singer. She's so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:22

Incredible singer.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

It doesn't really show on this album, but her album that was a follow-up to this one. Because in this album, it was a lot of like um, Sean, you might be able to tell me like the actual process, but like the rolling of the words. Like she would sing, but she would roll the words like they they kind of like roll into each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:46

Um, like a legato sort of formality where yes, all the words are going together because you're uh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. She's very good at legato, and yes, yes. Her style of singing is very much legato, and she has a unique approach to using legato. So even from a singer's standpoint, she's it was actually very innovative, very innovative. It sounds like it's you know, just uh uh you know, not so big of a deal, but however, upon greater inspection, uh Lorde is extremely talented and found a very unique delivery.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

Oh man, I could listen to you talk for hours, Sean.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:24

Sean, have you ever thought about having a podcast?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

I I have, yeah, yeah. I've thank you. I appreciate it. I uh maybe I will. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

You should or at least advertising. You've got you've got like the perfect like advertising voice, if that makes sense. Buy what you're selling.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Oh, like voice over work. Yeah, hell yeah, I'd love to do voice over work. Uh I had some of that. I mean, I trained in acting schools and and stuff to try and develop some things, and voice over work would be the favorite thing to do ever. Yeah, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

Uh, we're gonna finish things off with you, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

We crave a different that is no, that's mine, right? That's you. That is the killer's Mr. Brightside.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

The killer's Mr. Bright Side. I couldn't have picked a better song to end things on. That was it was mid beat.

Plugs Final Thoughts And Sign Off

SPEAKER_05 1:10:25

No, that's where it ended. No, dude, that was like that's a power move. That was incredible. Today's perfect. Um that was way to end my Friday.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

The band is the quarantined Sean. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Uh, check out all of the quarantine's music everywhere that you listen to music. Uh, he's released a lot of stuff uh in this podcast, uh, talking about the the upcoming vinyl, the newly released versions of his music. So please check out the quarantine. Sean, do you have anything else you want to leave the audience with?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:01

Uh, thank you guys for listening. Um, please continue on to thequarantine.com and and thank you guys for having me. Um, it's been really, really fun. I and it's been great talking with all you guys, Taylor, Harley, Chris. It's very, very awesome. It's really love it, guys. Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Absolutely. Now, what we do on these uh interview episodes is while you are doing your interview, my lovely sister there has been working on something. Taylor, tell the audience.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:32

All right, guys. Here is my uh portrait's not the right word. Here's my drawing, uh, my very artistic drawing of the evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

So so what she does is during your interview, she draws what we're talking about, and this is all about you. This is everything that we talked about today.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:52

Uh we have your name done as the American flag. I thought that was pretty cool. Um here is your business model, and it says also I love it. This is to go touch. Yes. Let's see. Here's all the different human emotions to go through. Your microphone for your motivational speaking, and it says you are worthy. And over here it says you are worth living for, in case anyone forgets. Um, we got a therapy session going on down here. Let's see, what else do we have? Oh, this is for your like cognitive thinking. I thought it's supposed to be a brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:29

Um then here's a sun because you really brightened up my day by being on the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:35

So oh, and and what's the little the little graph in the corner?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

So much. That's that's so awesome. I love the graph, it's the business model. Money money. Oh, and then the money. Oh, okay. I'll call my lawyer. Fantastic. Fantastic. That is so awesome. I love it. Oh man, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Yes, and we will be getting that to you, sir. And for everybody listening, we'll be making copies to sell on our website.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:04

Oh, that's so awesome! Thank you. I'm gonna put that right back up there. That's gonna be back there. That's that is great. I got some fun tack, it hangs right up. It's it's awesome. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:16

It's like putting my heart in the fridge.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:19

Yeah, Sean, you are welcome back anytime, and truly, I mean that. I I had an incredible time talking to you and and would love to talk to you some more outside of the show, just about everything you've been through in your journey. Uh, thank you again so much for being on the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:35

Thank you so much for having me. It's been great to to be here, and and thank you guys so much. It was great. Absolutely happy to. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

All right, all right, guys. That is the show. Thank you so much for hanging out. It has been real and peace.