Darkside of Music: The Doors, Fame, And The Spiral That Followed

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the dark side of music. Danny, how are you, sir? I'm doing good. How about you? I'm doing great. Awesome. We've been talking. Yeah, we've been talking today. We talked a couple days ago. Like we're we're solid couple of days. So yeah. We haven't done one of these in a little while, but that's all right. I think we've had a lot going on recently. You've had a

Welcome Back And Big Milestones

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lot going on. Congratulations on a 199 episode. And at this point, it by the time this actually comes out, it might be 200. So I want to pre-congratulations to you for uh episode 200 of the Hook and Bridge podcast. 200 weeks. That's crazy. That's awesome. That's really cool. Four years. Four years I've been doing this. That's really awesome. And they only get better. They only get better every time. Every time I do something, it's like can't go up from here. This is this is the peak. And then it gets a little bit better. Yeah. Um, I I am still baffled that like people are calling us music journalists now. That's wild to me. That's really cool. Yeah, when you were talking about that the um on the live stream, I thought that was really cool. Yeah, I I get emails now that are like, we see that you're into music journalism. Here's an album. Could you do a review? And I'm like, that's crazy. That's awesome. That's so cool. It it is really cool, and it's it's really cool to just get to talk about music as much as I do. Oh, yeah. It's it's wild. And music and and uh you know, true crimes and true crime, yeah. Yeah. Now if I could just get like a video game show going, all three of the things that I love. Oh, don't even get me started because we can a hundred percent make that happen. We can my wife kill me, she would murder me. Coming soon. She even she even asked me because I told her we were doing the show today. She was like, Are we doing video games today or are we doing true crime today? And I was like, Today's true crime. Video game is when we do the live stream because then we get to have fun and not get scared from the video game. There's a couple new video games we need to try, though. But but absolutely don't get too sidetracked, but yes, there are a couple new video games I want to try, and I think we need to try. So today we are talking about Jim Morrison, yeah, yeah, the lizard king from Wayne's World. From Wayne's World, number two specifically. Um he he's the lead singer of the doors. This is uh more of like a like a shut case, like this isn't really there's not a ton of mystery. I guess there's a couple of theories out there, but like there's

Why Jim Morrison Still Haunts Rock

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some interesting details around it that makes it a little bit mysterious, and we have another introduction of the 27 club, like yeah, rolling through these 27 club members. Yeah, we need to do a playlist of just the 27 club members and that and just yeah, we also find it interesting that um he he kind of knew about the 27 club. Do you uh this isn't one of the theories that are on the list, but my theory is that he didn't want to go out past 27. I think I think it was purposeful. I think he was kind of into the 27 club, and he he felt like that that's what solidifies a legend, and I think that he purposely went out to be a part of the 27 club. He was just vain enough, you know. Well, so here's the thing. I I partially agree with that. The other side of it, one of the other theories of him just disappearing, type of thing. I also tend to kind of you know I'm torn, I'm torn between the two of them because there is that, you know, he wants to be a a uh give up fame part of him type of thing. And so like that might be another kind of like thing he got won over on everyone where it's like no one knows I'm still alive, like you know what I mean? Like, he's he he is that kind of mysterious type of person where it could have gone either way, like you know what I mean? Like, it could have gone either way where he could be still living it up and going, I still got it, I still got away with it. Like, you you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean all he got away with was just having to live and being able to live a normal life. Like, that's literally all he got away with. If he actually got away with anything type of thing, I I want to agree with you, but his life was such a train wreck, and we're gonna dive into it. Yeah, um, so Jim Morrison was one of the most recognizable and controversial figures in rock history as a frontman for the doors. Morrison became known for his poetry, unpredictable behavior, and confrontational performances. And larger than life personality. To some people, he was a genius, to others, he was reckless and self-destructive. But more than 50 years after his death, one question still remains what really happened to Jim Morrison? Was it simply tragic ending to a chaotic lifestyle, or is there more to this story? We're gonna find out here momentarily. Um yeah, he was a detriment to society, is the best way to put it, I guess. Um this man has a rap sheet like my father, guys. It's crazy. He got arrested, I think, eight times in his life, did a six-month prison sentence, was accused of horrific things throughout his life, um, fled the US. He never he was supposed to uh I'm sorry, he didn't serve his six-month sentence. He got a six-month sentence, fled the US, and then just never came back. Yeah. Um so he was born in 1943 on December 8th. His name was James Douglas Morrison, and he died in 1971 on July 3rd at the age of 27. He was born in Melbourne, Florida, and he obviously fronted the band The Doors. He called himself the Lizard King. Uh, the Mr. Mojo Ryzen is a crazy one. I don't know where that came from, but I've never heard that one before, but when I read it, I was like, all I could hear was Mojo Jojo. He also was called the King of Acid Rock, which is exactly what I would describe the Doors music as. Yeah. Uh the Doors you might recognize from songs like Light My Fire, um Love Me Two Times, and I'm sure there's a few others. There's a caravan song that break on through, People Are Strange. Oh, yeah, people are strange. Yeah, okay, all right. Now I'm I'm slowly turning. This is the end. Like I know that one from The Simpsons. At one point, Homer's singing that song, like yeah, yeah. They when you start thinking about like the the top door songs, you start going, oh wait, that was in this, that was in that. Like, I I there's definitely multiple door songs in the Simpsons. Oh, absolutely, and stuff like that. It's just very straight. Riders on the storm. Like, there's oh yeah, yeah. I forgot that was their song. Yeah, when you start thinking about it, and then you start going, I know that song from the blues brothers. Yeah, you start going, oh, that was in that movie, that one was in that movie, that was in that TV show. Like, it's weird how how often they they find a place to to you know put a doors song in. Dang, maybe maybe by the end of this, I turned myself around. I thought I wasn't a Doors fan. I might be a Doors fan, guys. This is crazy. We learn something new every day. I I will say though, um, he had some really rough performances. There are entire compilations dedicated on YouTube to his drunken behavior at shows. It is crazy. He he was living like the Motley Crue lifestyle before Motley Crue. I wonder if that was kind of who they looked at and they're like, Yeah, that's that's a rock star. That's what we want to do. Yeah, like when you said like, oh, he he got he got uh arrested eight times or something like that. I was like, wait, we're not even in the like the the 80s yet. Like the 80s, that's kind of like a standard for a lot of bands that got arrested. But like they didn't do like really, really bad stuff, but they did stuff to get arrested, like noise complaints, like destruction of property and crazy stuff like that. That's the era of like hairband, like yeah, oh yeah, bands that would get arrested for and and I'm sure drunk and disorderly all the time and stuff like that. He was very like aggressive, it's yeah, Morrison's thing. He he was very, very like zero to 60. He got real aggressive with cops. It was his favorite thing to do. Wow. Um, so his early life here, Jim Morrison was born into a military family. His father, George Stephen Morrison, um his father was a U.S. admiral, U.S. Navy admiral, and later became associated with military operations during the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which escalated involvement in Vietnam. Jim reportedly

Family Trauma And The Doors Form

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had a strained relationship with his family. That's not just reportedly, he absolutely did. Uh later in his later in life, he even told people his parents were dead, despite them still being alive. So yeah, he he absolutely that's on record many, many times of him uh talking about his his trauma as a child. Uh, I believe there's a video of him talking about his father being a little physically abusive with him and his mother. Um, again, though, it was like the the what was it, the 50s he was born, the 40s. Yeah. So that was very common during the time. Not justifying it, but like that's a very common thing during the time. Um he also talks about uh dream that he had where um he first knew fear in regards to a dream about um Native Americans, and he got really obsessed with that concept in his teen years. Um, and his mother kind of discredited that fear, uh, which drove him towards a resentment towards her um at a young age. So the formation of the doors in 1965, Morrison met Ray Manzarek on Venice Beach, California. Morrison reportedly sang lyrics from his poems. Ray later claimed he immediately knew they had something special. The doors formed shortly after with members Jim Morrison, Ray Manzarek, Manzarark, I think it's Manzarek. Uh Robbie Krieger, huge name in the industry, and John Dinsmore. Um, Robbie and Jim are the only two that I recognize from the band. Oh, same. One thing I did want to say, you know what's really crazy is so this is 1965. 1965, when Ray and Morrison meet. Yeah, we're not saying 1965 and they're already the doors type of thing. And Morrison dies in 71. Yeah, it's crazy. It's the just think at how short amount of time they go from they're not even in a band, no music period, to they are the doors that are still, you know, thought of as a a major band today, that type of thing is insane. Like, I less than a decade, right? Less than a decade. Like we we were kind of getting into this, and and I hate to keep referencing a live stream that is not here right now, but we were talking about this on on your uh 199th episode, yeah. Live stream episode. Um, just at how weird when you actually see the certain dates of things, because you think of things happening, you know, either earlier or later than when they actually happened in history. But this is uh even more unique. Of I did not think the duration of time from the establishment of the doors to the death of Jim Morrison, like I I would have told if I had a guess, I would have said at least 10 years. Like oh yeah, for them to have that big of an impact as a band, type of thing, I would have thought at least 10 years. Not not only that, they put out like I think like six albums. That's insane. And we're not album a year. We're not talking about like technology that that we used to record now, where you can kind of just be like, you know, over like, I mean, it'd be really rough, but you could write a song and mix and master it in maybe 36 hours, type type of thing. We're talking like physical recordings on tape and real to real and all that kind of stuff, and recording, writing, touring. Yeah I mean, that is an insane schedule. Yeah, they just didn't stop for six years straight. Like, that's wild. Basically, I mean, um, yeah, man, that that that's crazy, dude. Six albums in six years is nuts in the 60s, because like even writing had to take a couple months at least. Like, unless like the only thing you can you can think is maybe you know, they wrote so many, like they're pro so prolific, right? They just had enough for you know multiple albums at a time. So it's like, you know, maybe you think of it as maybe they wrote 25 songs all at once, type of thing, and then they just chopped that up into two or two and a half albums, and then it's like, okay, now we just have to write another two and a half albums, and then boom, that's all whoever signed the doors is the true like hero, though. Like that guy, that guy should have been studied like to understand that they were gonna be as big as they were. Yeah, that that's like somebody that knows the stock market in and out. That's somebody that you want to be in contact with. That's your like I mean, yeah. Because I mean, the these songs light my fire, break on through, riders of the storm, or riders on the storm, people are strange, the end, roadhouse blues. Um, that's a wild hit list. Like, that's crazy for the time period. That's the thing, is you're right. That time period is nuts, man. Yeah, because like I think of a band like Def Leopard, for example. Everyone forgets how great Def Leopard is. You you think that you know like one song, and then you look and you're like, oh shit, I know 15 Def Leopard songs, but that's a uh 30, 40 year career. Exactly. Exactly. These this guy was pumping out a hit a year. That's wild. That's Beatles records. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they the the Beatles are just as crazy, if not crazier, with the amount of you know how prolific they were over the course of their career, but their career was longer than this, so still also. I mean, easy to be prolific when your album is 35 songs and you're one of five bands playing on the radio, just saying, right, right, right. Guaranteed to have some sort of hit. We only have seven acts to choose, and you've got 30% of the market. So um, Morrison's stage presence was unlike most performers of the time, as he was unpredictable, aggressive, intense, and sometimes intoxicated is a stretch. Always intoxicated, is how I would have put that. Um, the man stayed high. He he was either on drugs or alcohol every performance.

Hit Machine Schedule And Onstage Chaos

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It's crazy what he was able to do. Um yeah, man, he is it's hard, it's hard to look at someone's life through such a uh uh uh microscope, knowing like people like Kirk Cobain that we've talked about and others, like he just was so destructive, so fast. Yeah, like man, he really just destroyed his his life and his the people around him with almost no remorse at the end, realistically, if if there was an end. Um so the controversies, Jim Morrison regularly generated controversy, absolutely true. Uh public intoxication, disorderly conduct, provoking audiences, missing performances, arriving intoxicated. Uh, yes, there are several times where uh police officers have been reprimanded at his shows. He would go on these tirades, uh reprimanding police officers for trying to stop him from performing the way that he was. He would get stopped prior to shows. Sometimes they would take like interludes and he would get stopped in the middle of shows because he would go backstage and you know, try and rough up people behind the stage and stuff. So he was just really constantly on this path of aggression and destruction. Wow. Um the the Miami incident, which is what we're gonna dive into here in a minute, I would say was the peak moment for him that kind of solidified that like this is the end of the doors. Even even if he hadn't been found, well, allegedly found uh dead, um that Miami moment I would argue was like the end of the doors, regardless. I think the rest of the band kind of solidified and said, Hey, like we're done with whatever this is, we're gonna move on. Um, your thoughts so far, Danny. Well, this is crazy. So, like, I mean, I know we're about to go into the Miami incident, but I did not know this previous to this. I just, you know, like I said, I'm not I both of us not not the biggest doors fans. I mean, we we do there are definitely songs that that both of us are going, we know that from that. That's in that, that's in that type of thing. I did not know this. I just, you know, in my head, in in in my history, it's like, oh, the doors ended because Jim Morrison died. Like, I didn't know, like, you know what I mean? Like, like you're saying, like, this was kind of like the the big kind of turning point of of things, and this is you know two years before he died, right? Type of thing. Right. And I had never before this, I had never really heard of that. I I I didn't really even know about that incident itself. Um yeah, I there's look, there's so many stories about you know, musicians throughout history that have you know had substance abuse problems and have, you know, just all of this stuff around them, both both in their public life and their private lives and and stuff like that. But boiling it down to the most microscopic thing I can think is as a a singer myself, I can't do I can't even do like carbonated seltzer before I get on stage because it messes with my voice. I can't imagine being drunk and trying to jump up and down. I can't imagine like any of that. Like just because I like I jump up and down, I sweat so much, I'd be so dehydrated. If I had oh yeah, if I had a drink, I would be so dehydrated by the end of the show. I don't even know if I could get words out. Not to mention the bloating and like the uncomfortability, like yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I just and and like I said, definitely not the the the in the in the grand scope of the craziness and and the controversies around Jim Morrison and stuff like that, but just generalizing and the most microscopic part of that, just the musician in me. I'm like, I I couldn't even, I couldn't do it. I just I I wouldn't be able to to to function to to do what I'm there to do. So like I just I can't even put myself in in that aspect of his shoes, let alone the aspect of everything else he's doing in and outside of of like his public life and private life and stuff like that. So yeah, it's and and I mean it's crazy. We see it with a lot of you know musicians and musicians of the past and and stuff like that, how crazy, you know, their their public lives are and how crazy you know their their pre-show routines are. I mean, even musicians that are still around now, like Dave Grohl from from Foo Fighters, they were he was talking about early Foo Fighter stuff where like it started becoming so monotonous that they started with a couple of pre show shots, and then it was going to like pre show couple drinks, and then it was going to we're drinking half a bottle before we get on stage. And and like how. How do you do that and then function on stage? Like, I don't know. I it's just I guess they're just built different. Like, musicians of the past and that in that era, and you know, certain musicians now, I guess, are just built different. Like, do you do you find that that kind of uh that lifestyle for a musician is slowly dissipating because of everything being so documented? Like, I feel like musicians now understand that social media exists, videos exist, and they want to be put into the right light for those live performances because realistically that's where the money is to be made because you're not really making money off the recordings anymore. I've all sent here and there, but yeah, I I really think it's kind of just made a bigger division in in you know, people that like shy away from kind of do and look, I have no problem in having some some celebratory drinks or you know, anything anything like that. So this isn't that. I'm not saying that. It's I have a very strict pre, you know, pre-show what I do, and and I need to stick to that because I want to be my best. I think it's it's now there's a very big divide, and there are you know, people like you said, you know, being way more aware and and wanting to, you know, make sure that their public image is, you know, I want to do what's best for the show, I want to do what's best for the fans that are paying good money to be here and and stuff like that. And then I think there is another side of things where where the artist is like, this is me. Controversy breeds popularity. I'm I'm gonna be a hundred percent roll into that, like type type of thing, and I'm just gonna be super destructive and and super like I don't give a fuck. Like you, you know what I mean? Like right, I really feel like it's just widened that that split between the two of them. Like, you don't really have any their like middle of the road. I mean, I guess you you kind of do, but they've kind of already made their careers. I feel like yeah, you can have those middle of the road that are like drinking on stage and and kind of vibing, and you can tell at the longer shows that they're you know they're getting a little sloshed, um, type of thing. But they've already a stat like they're already really big. I don't think you're gonna find like a band my size, or even a medium-sized band, or or maybe even like you know a pop punk band that that that's been. I don't think you're gonna see Newfound Glory on stage. Right. Arguably one of the bigger pop punk, simple plan, Newfound Glory, like that era. They they've they've already been hugely popular. Now they're even more so, like they're a very common name, even if you don't like pop punk, you kind of know them type of thing. Um, I don't think you're gonna see them get slashed on stage, type of thing. I I would say that this is this instant incident that we're about to talk about would have been career ending if videotaped today, like it like if a plan came out to this happening, dude. Pierre's life would be over the next day. Like, there's no coming back from this one. Right. This is crazy. But at the same so here's the the other thing, you know, there are no videos or photos, and I get it, we're in the we're we're not in the the same era. We're we're in an era where everything is documented, just like you said. Everyone has the one of the the the best cameras and and video recorders in their pocket at any given moment, all the time, every single person. Um so I get it, it's it's there are a lot, there's a lot more things documented both positively and negatively forever. But in 1969, there are still, you know, tape recorders, there are still camera, like, and you're telling me there was nothing from this, like so. I think the the way we viewed it though, then versus now, like I it's got such a stigma behind it now, where then it was more just accepted, like like that's the rock star lifestyle, you know. Oh, yeah, well it grew. You know, that's well, yeah. 80s, absolutely. I 100% agree with you. When you when you get into the the end of the 70s, beginning of the 80s, I I I agree with you. And but like in this particular incident that we're you know, we keep tiptoeing into um it said it said all of these things are claimed in reports, yes, but we don't have any evidence of any of them. You're right. So I'm wondering if you know some of it happened, and then some of it's like, oh yeah, I saw him do that. You know what? He didn't have his pants up, like you know what I mean. Like, we just don't know. We don't know. That is true, it could be heavily exaggerated by this point. Yeah, you're right. Um, let's I'm not saying I'm not saying he was like hanging out drinking tea and like everything was completely fine, like type of thing. So don't get that. Like, I'm definitely not like defending, I'm just saying it's it's weird. It's weird that we have literally nothing to back up the the reported claims from this particular incident, and it was supposed to be so bad that it was like almost a nail in the coffin of of an ending type type of thing. So the main the Miami incident happened March 1st, 1969. The doors performed in Miami, Florida. The performance became one of the most infamous concerts in rock history. Reports claim that Morrison appeared heavily intoxicated, taunted the audience, and used explicit language, simulated sexual acts, and most controversial controversially,

The Miami Show That Broke Everything

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witnesses claimed that Morrison exposed himself on stage. Others claimed it never happened, no photographs, clearly proving the event has ever serviced. So here's what I think happened. I think that he was heavily intoxicated. Well, yeah, I think I think I think that's the safest thing that you can say. I think that maybe he was a little aggravated, a little angry. I think that uh the audience started to turn on him. He probably was saying some shit, and he thought they would be on his side, and then when he started getting the the booze back, he started to turn on the audience. I think he flipped some people the bird, and I think that he pulled his pants down and mooned everybody. See, now that would be funny. I truly think that's what happened, and at this time they took that as like the worst thing in the world. Because I remember growing up, and and people like would do that in cars, you know, you'd be driving, they'd roll the window down and moon people, and that was funny, but old people would take it as if like you just whipped it out, you know? Like they were like, Oh, how dare you! The audacity of showing me your bare ass. So I that's what I think happened. I think he mooned the crowd, and they took that to their grave as if they had been violated. I I don't care what really happened because in my mind, for forever, that is going to be what happened. Yeah, that is the funniest situation and scenario that that could have possibly been. And then I think that he was too drunk to get his pants back up, and then he just kind of waddled like a penguin and then fell over. That's what I think. I just look, there's a lot of reasons to not like AI and what AI does, but if someone could use AI to recreate this, I I I think I think it would be a hit. Like, that's all I'm agreed. Also, how many people are gonna be like, that's exactly what happened? I was there. If you were there in 1969 and can come on the show and do eyewitness testimony, if you have the ability to access podcasts and use a computer, also they have grandchildren and great-grandchildren. I showed I showed my grandpa a podcast. Also, not to not not to bounce back to a live stream that happened yesterday, but Jim Morrison and Helen Keller lived in the same time period. They did, they did. We learned a lot on that live stream. Yeah, oh, that was crazy. Um, yeah, I so the biggest thing from this incident was that other members of the band, specifically his lifelong friend, uh, lifelong, I guess, is loose, uh, four-year friend, uh Ray, had a lot to say about his destructive personality after that show. That was kind of his final point of being like, all right, something has to change. We can't move forward. Right. And I believe Ray also did not go to the funeral um when Jim died. He held on to that grudge for a very long time. He did say in public records that he did not hate Jim, he hated the destruction that Jim caused to those around him. So something to think about. Um, the legal battle, though, that uh followed uh the concert. Jim Morrison was charged with indecent exposure, public profanity, lewd behavior, and public drunkenness. Wait, what do you have to say to get public profanity? Because I feel like you can say a lot. I agree. What did he say? Because I didn't know that was a law until this. I didn't know either, especially like at a concert. Like you're not bringing little kids to see the doors, like no, especially in 1969, maybe in 1965, if they you know, first couple of shows and no one really knows the door, like, but like 1969, you're four years into it. Like, you're not going, okay, Timmy, your five-year-old birthday. Like, let's go see the doors. Like, you're not sure. Also, with the way that he danced and how uh upset they got with Elvis, like 20 years prior to that, like he would have been seen as like the devil to these people. They'd be like, That dude, no, he's doing gyrating on the stage. How dare he, you know? So, um, man, they would have had heart attacks if they saw Megan the Stallion. Oh buddy. Uh, but yeah, what do you have to say to get charged with public profanity? Because I've seen a lot of videos of people like getting in cops' faces and saying the most horrible things I've ever heard a human being say. They don't get charged. Yeah, exactly. I'm I'm wondering if this is what one of those outdated charges, like could be like that it's just because I mean it is like you gave the perfect example, like Elvis, you know, was looked at as like he's he's doing something indecent, yes, and to standards now, like that's yeah, no, um, and then you know what I mean? Like, and and then the same thing, like you said nowadays the stuff that Jim Morrison was doing on maybe not everything Jim Norrison was doing on stage, but like you know what I mean, like you're not getting charged with anything after that. Like, there's way crazier. So I wonder if it's one of those things that kind of has gone away slowly, like the line, maybe the line has just slowly been moved over time, type of thing. So like maybe you really, really have to say something bad. Yeah, really something really bad now. I I would assume that like we've moved past public profanity into um into hate crimes. I feel like yeah, the things that you would have to say to be charged with that, there's a far worse charge that you should get. So maybe that's it. Maybe that's it's not like it it hasn't gone away, but they just usually hit you with something different, right? Type of thing. Because like telling somebody like man, fuck you, that's about as bad as I can think as far as profanity. Yeah, anything else, I'm never going to say. So I don't know, yeah. Uh that one's that one's interesting. I if I was Jim Morrison's lawyer, I'd be fighting that one. The rest of it, you kind of can't do anything about, but like profanity. Um, so that was kind of what led into the decline of Jim Morrison by 1970, 71. Morrison's behavior reportedly became even more erratic. Uh, accounts described him heavily drinking, he had some weight gain. That's true. We've seen pictures of him from the transition from 70 to 71, almost doubled in size. It's actually kind of alarming. Yeah, yeah. He really, really put on some weight. Uh, missed obligations, exhaustion from the fame. Um,

Fame, Addiction, And The Crash

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friends and band members reported concerns about his physical condition. Absolutely. I believe he was uh having uh cirrhosis of the liver. Uh Morrison became increasingly interested, interested in poetry and wanted to move away from the celebrity life. Common thread on every one of these cases the fame becomes too much, and the artist wants to remove themselves from the fame. Well, I think I think it really goes to show when you are already having struggles like in in your life, whether they be, you know, struggling mentally, whether they be struggling with you know substances, whether they be struggling with anything. It only makes them worse when you also have to deal with becoming famous and and stuff like that. You have to, I mean, I don't know. I'm not famous. Um you are to me. I agree. You're famous to me. You've talked to a lot more bigger people than I have. Um, but but you you know what I mean? Like, I I feel like you know you have to be really comfortable and in a good place with yourself to then be able to take on the burden of, and I I say burden with you know, quotation marks, the the the amount of what fame brings, I guess. Maybe not burden was a bad word for it, but like the amount of you know, attention and the amount of everything that that comes with the the fame is is very taxing. Um I think you really we see this and we see a connection, but we see a connection because these are people that also have a lot of things that that that they're dealing with already, previous to being fame or previous to fame, and and in addition to fame, I I think it's just it it's a it's a recipe for disaster type of thing. Yeah, what does that say about um us as people when dealing with fame and and famous people? Like, like when we deal with celebrities as a society, uh maybe if we treated them like people, like we're supposed to, you could stop a lot of these things from happening. Like it's it's weird though, because yes, I some I think would respond well to that. Others and we've talked about this off-stream and off recording, so we won't get into others want that. Like they want to be treated special, they want the they want all that comes with that, they don't want you to treat them like a normal person. Like, you know what I mean? So like yeah, I I think it's a very I don't I don't think it would work because I I think it really determines the person's character in general, like absolutely so it's it's hard to be like, well, do we think this would fix? Because I don't think it's a it's a one thing fix-all type of thing. That is true. That is very true. I think um I think that when you have people who get so invested into the fame that they turn towards addictive behaviors, um, those were people who had addictive behaviors, and the fame became an outlet. I think regardless of Jim Morrison's path, he would have been an alcoholic. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think that this just sped it up so much faster because of the fame. Same thing with like like uh Kirk Cobain. I I truly believe like he would have been a drug addict, regardless of Nirvana, because that was in his nature, and it was a path that he had already started to choose. So it it is it is one of those things, man, where like when you have an addict and you give them the excuse that they need to use, you're you're inevitably feeding the habit, and even if it's unintentional. And an addict will always find that excuse, they will build that excuse around their life. So but at the same time, you get incredible art from it. I I it it is it is this really horrible fact, but like the the hurt are usually the most artistic. So um he did end up moving to Paris though with a girlfriend who he was very, very close with, Pamela Corson, uh in 1971. Uh he left another woman in the US. I forget her name at the moment, um, but he did leave a woman in the US to move with Pamela. Uh, and I don't believe it goes into it here. Yeah, um, he also was briefly married, um, which is not something that it covers in here, but uh let's see here. So he wanted to escape the fame, he wanted to focus on his writing, and he wanted to recover physically and mentally. It seemed like he was moving towards that fresh start. It seemed like he was genuinely wanting to to better himself and and do better. Um and his friends said that Morrison appeared happier overseas. Uh I I think it says others disagreed. I think that he probably was. I think that he went with good intent. Uh, but again, when you're so ingrained and addicted at that point, it's such a hard battle, and most face it on their own. What whether like if there's a support group there, they're still battling it on their own. Like you can have a girlfriend, you can have the family and friends being supportive, but at the end of the day, it's their battle to have, and you can't be with them 24-7. It's just impossible. Well, the other thing is, and and I I don't want to get too far ahead because we haven't even you know stated, you know, when he died, uh, how I didn't say but the fact that like there are there are things that we don't have evidence of. Um so just you know, even if if he was kind of moving to, you know, be a better, be, you know, healthier, be cleaner, you know, stuff in general, there are two sides even to that is think about how much damage all of you know just just the five, six years of the doors, five years of the doors, um, that did on his body. So it it was a time bomb at that at that point. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Like you can't fully recover, even if you go clean and sober, you're still, you know, you've done so much unreparable damage. Um, and the other thing is, you know, with with a lot of people that are addicted to something, there is always a period of leave of relapse. And the problem with a relapse is they go into they go and they try to take, you know, what they were taking, their body can't take it, and they're gone instantly, type of thing. Um, so I don't want to jump too far ahead. It was just a thought I didn't want to lose that thought. Um yeah, we don't really know a hundred percent, you know, if he was moving in a positive direction and it just time finally caught up with him, like type of thing, because he had been doing this so much damage for so long, type of thing. Right. You don't even know. We really don't we really don't know if he truly was, you know, becoming healthier or if he just you know continued down the same type of thing, you know, just less frequent or you know, whatever. So 100%. And and you're right, too, because like even with the Kirk Obain thing, like that was a big speculation, speculation of of that case was maybe he did overdose because he just went so hard after being clean for a little bit. Um, again, not to brag, but the k the case got rolled in official homicide right after our show. Just saying. Um somebody must be listening. FBI, if you're if you're out there, remember we're on your side. I just want somebody with with that makes a a YouTube handle that says like at not the FBI. Just comment and be like, we're not listening. Also, since I know you are listening, remember I plan on getting my car inspected. I just I've just been busy. Don't pull me over, please. Oh, you're 100% being pulled over next week now. What's happening? Um, so he did die July 3rd, 1971. At the age of 27, the official cause was listed as heart failure. Uh, the story is that Pamela, uh, his longtime girlfriend of two years, uh, claimed Morrison had gone to sleep after feeling ill and was later found dead in a bathtub. That in itself is suspicious. Yeah, that's such a weird sentence

Paris, The Bathtub, And No Autopsy

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to say. Like you couldn't just be like, yeah, he he wasn't feeling good, so he went to take a bath, and I found him dead. Right. No, she specifically said he went to sleep after feeling ill, and then they found him in a bathtub. Which is absolutely very suspicious. Yeah. Um, and again, they just uh the the police, nothing against the police, but at this time they just they write that down. They're like, well, checks out. We did find him in the bathtub. Like, what are we doing? To be fair, this this also shows that it's it's it w we're we're not giving shit to like one country's police because this is Paris, yeah, or Cobain, where we were talking like, hey, this doesn't make sense. That was America. So like it's all over the place on this one. Yeah, no, it's it, dude, it's it's so crazy that like I get it. The the police system or the the law system's very weird and and you have to do certain things and it's hard to break through on cases and it requires a lot of time, effort, and money. And sometimes it's much easier to just oh, well, case closed, you know. But like, if somebody told me, yeah, he went to bed and I found him in the tub this morning, I'd be like, Cool. Uh, how did he end up in the tub? Man, literally be the first question. I don't know how he ended up in the tub. Well, I mean, you're in the same place as him, right? Right. You didn't hear him get up, you didn't feel him get out of the bed. Uh he definitely just like ran bath water, you just like slept through everything. Do you sleep like a rock? Like, where was the bathtub located? Was it located like close to the bedroom? Yeah, there's just really a lot of questions about him ending up in a bathtub. Yeah, and like there was no body. So, or let me rephrase. There wasn't a body at the funeral. Well, there was supposedly they've done an autopsy. Supposedly they, you know, no, there was a body. There was no autopsy. Oh, there was no autopsy. Oh, yeah, it does. Yeah, yeah. No autopsy was no autopsy, closed casket funeral. So we don't know if there was a body in the in the casket because they wouldn't open it. Yeah, because I know that's a big part of the mystery is people say, like, there was no body, and it's like yeah, but they're they're just assuming that because they couldn't see right a body, but like there's a there's a casket, and that the weirder of the two things is that there was no autopsy, there was no toxicology, there was no nothing. And all you're so all you're saying is that it was heart failure, but how did you even get to its heart failure? Right. Like you're not even gonna check to see if maybe he was poisoned, like I mean, seriously, like and also what was he doing in the bathtub? Like, so I live in the world that I do think that he in fact did die. Right. Um I think that he may have started to have that relapse feeling. And I think that from my very limited knowledge of drugs, cocaine can cause heart failure. And maybe he got in the tub because he was like going through like sweats from mixing cocaine and alcohol. Um, because he did like to mix drugs and alcohol. So maybe just too much cocaine mixed with the alcohol, kind of got into a sleepy mood, got in the tub, kind of relaxed, and then the cocaine kicked in and boom, heart failure. Could be that happens often. Uh so that's plausible. I do think that he died. I also think that he was just in horrible shape from years of abuse. Oh, yeah, and and that's what I said. Like, yeah, I I I agree that I I think you know, it it's better than you know, the the the the more uh realistic is that he did die. Like, I'm not saying that yeah, he's out there somewhere as an as an old man. He tricked everybody. I'm just saying I'll give a five percent. I'll give I'll give a five percent to that. Um my hopefulness is there, that'd be pretty cool. It's like the end, it's like the end of the the the Batman trilogy where Yeah, where they nod at the table, just like he just nods to Alfred somewhere. Um I'm saying there's like a one to five percent chance of that. Well, it's like that Richie Edwards case that we had, you know, he he could be on an island somewhere. If he is comment, let us know. We're just gonna get people to make fake YouTube things for screenings that says not Richie or not FBI. I'm so gullible, I'll believe all of it. I'll immediately dude. I would message you so quick and be like, dude, you won't believe this. I'm just hoping for that now. At this point, I just think it would be hilarious, and we'll we'll do a follow-up. Um, but but yeah, I I I tend to agree with you. I just think you know, the toll that everything, I mean, even you know, if we take the I the crazy thing, even if we take all the drug use out, just alcohol, and the fact that we have already said this, the amount of stuff that they did in five years, yes, four years, really, four years is is really from from 1965 to 1969, four like real years, the amount of stuff that they did in that, the amount that they played, the amount that they did stuff, recorded, did all this, if you if you factor that and drinking, I think would put anyone down. Like 100 to to the point where like a person in good shape, in good health, would probably have to take time off and and and really, you know, really recover to get better. But then on top of those two things, you put in all of the drug use and you know, the the other just craziness of of his life in general. I think, yeah, I I I tend to, you know, agree that you know that he did pass away. We just don't know exactly how. And that's so that's kind of like the only the only weirdness is exactly like you said, how did he get in the tub? Or why was he in the tub? Type of thing. Or why did she say he went to sleep and then I found him in the tub? Right. Just say he wasn't feeling good. You know, I went to lie down and he got up and went into the tub, and then I woke up in the morning and he was dead in the tub. Yeah, it it's just her her choice in language on that sentence is just weird. Like, yeah, more than likely, that's exactly what happened. He wasn't feeling well, they were probably in the living room, they were probably arguing over something. She was like, Well, I'm going to bed, and then she woke up and he was dead. Like, it's probably that simple. Yeah, and also take take the drugs and the alcohol out of it. Four years going that strong, we already know that the the stress of writing and performing and everything is there. Stress does a lot to your nervous system and especially to your heart. So, like he had to be under huge amounts of stress, man. Like, yeah, yeah. Mix that with the alcohol and possible drug use, it was a it was a disaster, a ticking time bomb, like you said. The the only thing, and and and like I said, the only things that are weird, because it's not like you know, there's a gunshot somewhere, or he, you know, fell off a roof or something crazy. I get that. That would be very reason for like suspicion or foul play or something like that. But at the same time, you if you know somebody is you know heavy with with alcohol and and supposedly heavy with drugs, why wouldn't you then do like at least a a toxicology string? Absolutely. Just to be like, okay, we know you know his heart failed, but like here's why it failed. Like, just I don't understand. Like, did somebody say don't do it, or were they just like, nah, it's good enough. I just that is the part that is like very odd and confusing to me that I just I just don't understand. And that's kind of like some of the weird stuff. And I think that might bounce back to that money situation. You know, they looked at his lifestyle, they knew what he did, and they might have just been like, you know what? Let's not put the wasted money towards this when we know it's gonna come back this. You know what I mean? Um, also, there are theories that she told the police that he was, in fact, using drugs, specifically heroin. Um now, granted, band members have said that he had done heroin before and hated it, so they disagreed with that statement. Um the other part of it was that uh somebody came forward, I believe, in 2014, saying that their husband killed Jim Morrison. He was a drug dealer, a known drug dealer, and sold the drugs to Jim Morrison that killed him. Damn. So that also happened in 2014, and no one followed up on that. They just were like, that's not true, and then moved on with like tune in next week. Will we get that person on as a guest? So I mean, it is possible. Uh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Story emerged years later, conflicting witness records, no evidence confirms it. So right. Um, but that all also was death at a nightclub, and then they moved. Yes, so so supposedly, yeah, supposedly that person who sold him the drugs sold them to him at a nightclub, and he did the drugs and died, and then they moved him. Yeah, and they moved him to the bathroom. So I don't know, man. I think that I think that we're right. I think that the the most likely thing is truly that like he was just at home, he was having a rough night, he relapsed, he got in a tub to kind of, you know, that's the other thing is like drug addicts are very, very good at innovation when it comes to their drugs. Like they will find things that you wouldn't believe. They're like, oh, you know, if you if you s tilt your head at a 45 degree angle and do this, it'll do this to your body instead. So like they're like chemists and stuff at the end of the day when it comes to their drugs. So who knows? Maybe he knew something about like drinking and doing something that involved a bathtub. And like you're because I know getting in a bathtub can change your your blood, um the the temperature, your your internal temperatures, depending on the water. So maybe maybe he did like a cold plunge, or maybe he'd like did scalding hot water and got in while drinking. Because if you if you go to get into a hot tub, it specifically tells you not to drink while in a hot tub. I never knew that. Yes, yes, sir. You're also only supposed to spend a certain amount of time in a hot tub. I knew that. And that all relates back to your heart. So your your alcohol is a depressant, so it it slows your heart rate, it slows your blood flow, and you feel all warm and tingly inside. You mix that with the the heat of the hot tub, it's a recipe for disaster. So who knows, man? Who knows? I think all all it all you're doing is is uh you know, making me decide that I never want to get a hot tub if I ever become famous. Agreed. Agreed. This whole time I've been like, of course I'm gonna get a hot tub and a pool. Like now I'm like, man, I'll just get a pool. The pool's the pool's pretty cool idea, other than your homeowner's insurance. That shit's insane. I also was gonna do a pool of my house, and then they were like, hey, we're gonna charge you for that. And I said, Why is it any of your business? And apparently it is for some reason. So you have it little little real estate tip buy the house, tell them you're not putting a poll in, and then get one that you can tear down in a moment's notice. And don't get a hot tub, and don't get a hot tub, unless you're bad idea. Unless you don't drink. Unless you don't drink. And if you're a swinger, it's kind of a must. You just have to make sure somebody else has a hot tub, it's fine. Yes, that's the other part. Here's another great financial fact for you. I know this isn't a financial show, but anything that you want in life, don't get it. Find a friend that has it. I wanted a boat, I don't have a boat, but I have a friend that has a boat. There you go. So yeah, that's that's my little financial advice. Find friends that have the things that you like. Oh man. All right, so uh obviously we we did say it is part of the 27 club. Um, not gonna go into these names yet because we're gonna probably dive into some of those in the future, but we have already talked about Kirk O'Bain. Uh, we also talked about uh Robert Johnson, and here we are talking about Jim Morrison, and there's so many more to come. It's crazy, which is why I also think that maybe he did it

Theories, The 27 Club, And Wrap

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on purpose, he was just vain enough to kind of be obsessed with the idea of mortality and these legends dying around him at the age of 27. It was a very common occurrence for some reason during his life. There were like four members of the 27 Club as he was growing up, yeah. So, and two that happened right before he died. So I don't know, man. It's it's kind of weird. Um, but the Doors were one of the most incredible bands of all time, they're literal rock legends, uh, produced incredible hits, like it's inarguable. Um they had a great logo, great marketing, they were a cool looking band, like they kind of had it all, and they solidified themselves in rock history. So, anyways, Danny, your thoughts? Uh yeah, look, I I think we we kind of both agree. I I think the percentage that he kind of aimed to do it is about as low in my head as the the percentage that he's still alive. Yes, I think one to five percent to get that timing right and everything. Um, but am I saying it's it's absolutely impossible? No. Um saying if we combine both of those theories, it's 10%, and he did it on purpose but faked it. And he's he's on an island somewhere as an old man, could have grandchildren, we don't know. Um check the royalties, see where they're being funneled to, follow the exactly. Where's where's the the Morrison estate? That's what you need to find out. Yep, um, but but yeah, it's it it kind of goes kind of what we were already saying. When you have a person that is kind of dealing with inner demons already, adding fame to that really just makes things worse, whether it accelerates the problem, whether it you know shines a public light on the problem, what no matter what, it it really kind of makes a recipe for disaster. Um and I mean it's not always where it's like you know, a death sentence type of thing. Like maybe sometimes they burn out and you know, they just they do, you know, they end their their public career and and stuff like that. It they have a reason, an incident that that ends, you know, fame for them in general and stuff like that. Um but in the case of uh Morrison, I I think it it it really is, you know, he had these demons already. It just made them worse with with being becoming famous and with you know being larger than life and having this you know prolific four-year period where like you know, it was insanity with like we've already said this um um so many times to to produce that much and to you know become a name that's still here now, yeah in in really four years, because that's what we're looking at, four years, um, is insane. Like, so I think that just made everything, you know, really explode in the worst way possible. And I 100%. I think that's what really and that and that's why I I do agree that you know the most likely thing, I think we both agree, the most likely thing is whether or not it it he took drugs that night or just had a couple drinks, and it was just you know, the time was up type of thing. I just think it was a result of everything that that led up to that time. I don't know, I can't sit here and go, I think he had a relapse, and that's you know what did it. I think no matter what, it was time. And I I think it was just you know, it it it just it just everything that had happened up until that point. So that's what I think. Or the 27 Club is real. That's a whole darker theory on its own. I mean, we we gotta we'll we'll talk about it someday. We gotta get rid of all these crossroads. That's what we gotta get rid of all these. Um the the 27 Club is gonna be such a crazy episode. That is I'll I'll wear a foil hat for that one. We need to start hunting crossroads like Sam and Dean Winchester. Stop letting this happen. We don't need any more people in the 27 Club. Like that's right, make this uh not a thing anymore. Let's you you find a friend that has that that classic uh black car, and me and you start hitting the road. Oh man. I love that car, by the way. Not not even to go down a supernatural route. I love that car. I would a hundred percent have that cars and TV could be its own thing. There are so many great cars and TV. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Um, Danny, where can the people find you, sir? Find me, I mean, right here. I'm gonna sit here until the next episode starts. Um, but also uh everywhere, just happy to be here um on all the social medias and on you know any of the the streaming services that you want to consume music. Um also, you know, we've taken a little bit of a break, but that that recap show, there's so many good, you know, TV shows, movies coming out, you know, this year that it'd be insane for us to not you know come back and start releasing stuff. I I have already talked to you about potentially you know doing some some some guest episodes of that too. Yes, sir. Because there's so many things that we go down and and like to talk about just offhand on that. And you know, any any gaming live streams that that you and I would like to do together, yeah. We're always around. We can we get absolutely what about you? I mean, episode 200 for hook and bridge. It's crazy. By I guess by the time this is released, that will have already been released, but you know, again, congratulations on that. But but like what's in store for you know, obviously 200 is gonna be a big episode, but like well, so we are officially after episode 200, rebranding from the hook and bridge podcast to the HB podcast network, where everyone is going to have their own shows separate from just the Hook and Bridge podcast. We're gonna have the dark side of music as its own separate thing, we're gonna have a cooking show as its own separate thing, video games, uh off the record as its own separate thing. And anybody that is interested in becoming a part of our network, we would love to bring over people who love music. All of our shows will have some sort of music tie-in. One thing. So if you're a fan of music, but you love all of those other YouTube, you know, shows Smosh, for example, is a great option. We're gonna be doing a lot of that, but all music-centric. Very cool. Yeah, that's awesome. It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Heck yeah, man. Big things, big things coming everywhere. Things it's gonna be great. Um, all right, it's very, very warm in my studio. So I still don't have AC back here. I gotta fix that. I don't, I'm just lucky. It is cool here today, so like it's perfect right here, right now. But yeah, no way to you here. It's been great, everybody. We will see you on the next one. And bye, everybody.