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What is up, everybody?
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Welcome back to the Hook and Bridge podcast.
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I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host and little sister, Chris.
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And for a round two, guys, we've got like ghosts on the show again.
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What is that, everybody?
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We got Noel, we got Gage, we got Tyler.
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How's it going, man?
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It's going good.
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You're the first one to have us on twice, the first podcast.
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So no shit.
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Hell yeah.
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You're you're the first one.
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I just told Noel, um, you're the first one in the new studio.
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We just moved.
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Um, so you're the first interview in the new studio, man.
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Well, we're happy to be here.
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And I also like that you wore your uh Green Ranger uh costume, Chris.
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That's a throwback to the conversation that has happened.
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Dude, your guys' interview that we did last time was so fun, and honestly, the fans loved it.
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It might be like one of the favorite episodes of our entire show, hands down.
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Um, you guys also have created a handful of super fans from our show.
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Uh, specifically Chris.
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Chris is a super fan if I've ever seen one.
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Yeah, I won't shut up.
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So well, no, please tell us how great we are.
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I've had it, I've had it, man.
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I I I've been waiting for this moment.
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I'm so excited.
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Oh, dude, guys, like it's yeah, I don't I don't even know what to say.
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I think I own every song you guys have on Apple Podcast.
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I think.
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No way.
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If I'm missing one, like tell me.
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I appreciate it.
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I was joking about that, though.
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You don't have to tell us how good, bro.
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I need somebody that's not my mom to also be also being allowed.
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All the listeners are gonna be like, Man, I kind of like this band, but they seem got douchebags.
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No, couldn't could be further from the truth, man.
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You guys are awesome.
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Um, no, you your music's obviously incredible.
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We went over that a little bit last time.
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We're gonna dive more into that this time.
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Um, because last last show was more of a get to know you guys.
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This show is gonna be a little more in-depth.
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Um, but I know Chris has some specific questions on a few songs.
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Uh, we're here to celebrate Wish You the Best, though.
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Let's talk about let's talk about that for a minute.
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Um, what a sonic shift, literally from the last time.
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Like Wish You the Best is so different than better now.
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Really?
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You think so?
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Wow.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I feel like yeah, I feel like you leaned far more into the pop than than the last time, and I thought the last one was really pop heavy, but this one is far more of the electronic side.
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Nice, yeah.
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Well, I mean, I I pretty yeah, I mean, I produced those songs uh together, but that's cool to hear that.
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This is what I'm going for, so I'm guessing getting closer.
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Now, the um guitar though, Noelle, fucking brutal in that song, man.
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You kill it in that one.
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Well, thank you.
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A lot of that, well, a lot of that writing does come from from from Gage, and so a lot of stuff just kind of gets sometimes maybe maybe ad-libbed or switched alive, but mainly for studio stuff, it's a lot of what gage has in the dome, and then he just lets it rip on the session.
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And we do fine-tune and oh, dude, let's do this, that, and there.
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And then Andrew also puts his spice in there as well with some lead lines and like measures of of things.
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But overall, I would I would agree with you though that it is more of a shift from even from better now.
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I think it's that bridge song that connects the old stuff to the new stuff where yeah, that one sits in the pocket where it could it could grab both, and then wish you the best is more of that.
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Um, this is what it's kind of gonna be like for a little bit, right?
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Right.
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Um, how are we how are we enjoying uh the reactions to the two songs comparatively?
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Um people seem to love it.
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I mean, we have pushed harder on these two songs than I think we've ever pushed in the other songs, but it seems to be working and people seem to uh to enjoy it.
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I will say I I think I can speak for everybody when I say that like those songs are like kind of a high point in our set.
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We just got off sword, so like that was like those the new songs are like there's a lot of energy there, and I think it goes off really well.
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What about you, Tyler?
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How do you how you feeling about it?
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So wish you the best for me, like legitimately.
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I mean, I feel like it fits in with better now, but it feels to me like a modern version of like a Forever the Sickest Kids song.
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If Forever the Sickest Kids is still like dropping albums, that's what it really feels like to me, and I love them.
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So when we're playing that live, I'm like running around.
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I think uh I think it was the stop in Atlanta.
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I was like, there was a drum riser for a drummer on tour that was like 10 feet above the ground, it was so high up that it was like I'm 6'4, and I'm telling you, his drums were sitting higher than my head up there, and I was running around the side, jumping up on his stage with him just to play that song because that song gets me hyped.
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That's awesome, man.
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Um, Noel, how's the reaction been for you?
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I like it a lot.
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The biggest tell for me um has been live because it's interesting to mix obviously the old songs with these newer songs because it is really two, it's like two different sounds, two different types of people, you know.
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And so for me, for them to like fit in well and get received well, even inside of the same set, um, that's like the big validation for me, where not that I didn't have any faith in them or like thought, you know, anything that they weren't gonna be like great, but uh for me, that's just the tell where if the same group of people that came to watch us because they heard the old stuff, but they like this stuff, is gonna be the probably the biggest part of validation for myself.
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So I like it, I dig it.
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I've gotten good uh at least for me visually, I've gotten good um uh reception to it all.
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So do you guys dive into reading um comments at all on your stuff?
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Yes, I read all the comments.
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Oh do you comments?
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Gage actively does read all the comments, he doesn't even know this, but I got like multiple YouTube accounts, and one of the ones back in the day, like I'll go on there and he'll reply to me, and he didn't even know he answered.
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He answered me on something.
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But like legitimately, I'll go check like after the fact, and Gage has actively read everything.
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Tyler's just making Brennick accounts to fuck with me, dude.
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Yeah, dude.
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This is how you gas like your singer, bro.
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Bro, I just logged into the YouTube and fucking Toaster Muncher left a comment four years ago.
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I'm gonna sucks.
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So if it first off, Gage, you gotta stop reading the comments.
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Number one.
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Number two, um, you're you're far too famous for that shit.
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Uh number two, um there, I don't remember what song it was, but somebody put a comment that said, I came for the covers and I stayed for the originals.
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Is that like the best reaction for you guys?
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Is like being known for so long as the guys that did this cover song or that cover song to have a fan base that came to see those types of things and then end up saying, Oh, I love their original stuff too.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
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And that was the intention.
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I mean, all the covers are all just like marketing, right?
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Conversion to bring them in to the to the originals.
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So, I mean, people like that, that's exactly what we're we're trying to do.
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So, yeah, man.
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Well, the cover can work.
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Yeah, because you don't really want to be to where it's the other story where it's like, oh man, I wish their originals were better than the covers, or I wish I like their yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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Do you feel like one of the greatest compliments that you guys could get is for um for somebody to say something along the lines of like, oh, their version of this song is what I know as the original?
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Like so great example, Nirvana's live album.
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Half of that album is covers, but for 15 years I thought it was their songs, didn't realize they were covers for a very long time.
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Yeah, exactly.
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With uh Man Who Sold the World, I didn't know that one.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, so like you you synonymize them with the original, yeah, you know, so it would that be like the biggest compliment for you guys for somebody to be like, Oh, I thought that was your song.
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Um, I mean, maybe.
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I mean, I think that just means that they heard it first.
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I've gotten that reaction a lot for ghosts by Justin Bieber.
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Um, that's the one where people are always like, Oh, I thought this was your song.
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Actually, what my kid, dude, he uh heard the Justin Bieber song like on the radio in the car, like during with his mom.
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And uh apparently he was super mad that like, why is he singing Gage's song?
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And yeah, and then uh uh I also had one where uh a buddy of mine uh he said he was shopping like in the grocery store and he heard it come on, uh, and he thought it was like a cover of our song.
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So that's awesome.
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Yeah, that that that Justin Bieber cover specifically has has gotten that.
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But I think that's just because a lot of like core kids don't listen to like Justin Bieber deep cuts, you know what I mean?
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I was gonna say, yeah, that's a deep cut Justin's Justin Bieber song.
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So like of course, you know that, but that's similarly, like nobody knew Man Who Sold the World, you know what I mean?
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Like I didn't know that was a David Bowie song, and I also love the David Bowie version, but like I think of Nirvana when I think of that song.
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Um, and and I think that's so cool to see like music be able to carry on a new life from artists who can bring a new version or a new image to it.
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Um what the all of this led into a different question.
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What is going to be the new cover song for this new sound?
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You guys are you gotta be cooking up something, right?
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We we're focused on originals um right now, just because we have so many to write.
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I mean, we got we have to finish the CP that's upcoming, there's more to come after that.
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So I mean, we've got a lot of original songs to write.
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Um I think if we were to just like choose one, it would probably be like another throwback cover.
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Um, or on the opposite end, if there was just some song that came out that was just on fire and like the biggest thing in the world right now, and we genuinely loved it, then we'd cover that too.
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But as far as like actively like cooking stuff up, I mean I've got tons of covers on my laptop right here, but it's nothing that's like we're seriously cooking up right now or anything.
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So love Gage, I'm so happy to hear that because I was one of those where it's like, oh dude, the covers are sweet, you know what I mean?
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My wife straight upset, just a panty dropper, and uh and and then I started deep diving and I was like, Oh my god, I love this song.
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Bye.
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Oh my god, I love this song, bye.
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Like, so what is the cover?
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What's this, Justin Bieber?
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I do not own this one.
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Uh Ghost.
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Um you probably do have it and think it's their song.
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Probably do.
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Yeah, that's uh sorry, sorry, Bieber.
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Um he's got enough money, dude.
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He's okay.
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So we're coming off a tour.
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How was the tour?
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Because you guys haven't been on tour in a little bit, and this one was a little more spread out than your last one, right?
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So how how was the new image of like ghosts being on a new label, um, transitioning into a new family dynamic with that label and just having kind of that backing behind you on this tour?
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How do you feel that went?
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It was like an entirely, it was almost it's almost like being a new band with um a couple old songs that we play, almost like but yeah, because we're everything's new.
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I mean, from from the songs to like you're saying, the label to the merch, a lot of these uh markets are the first time that we play these markets too.
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So it's like just from top to bottom.
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Uh it's like being a new band.
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So yeah.
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I will say, Peter promised me you're gonna be coming to Virginia.
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That was a promise made, so don't forget.
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I got you.
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I got you.
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We'll do one in person.
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Next band meeting, we'll get on on that.
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Okay, yeah, there you go.
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You don't he said, Don't worry, they're coming.
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I said, All right, because I'm gonna be there.
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Um, so I know we're cooking on this new EP.
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Can you give me a little insight to the next song we might expect to come out?
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So I think the next thing to come out is gonna be the EP, uh, not another song, but we do have one of the other three songs done.
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So one of those three songs.
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We were playing it live on tour.
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Uh, it's a song called Like I Do.
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I think it's my favorite on the record, to be honest.
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Um, I think so.
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I think that might be my favorite.
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But um, yeah, it's super cool.
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Uh the uh the rock parts rock harder, the EDM parts EDM harder.
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So, you know, so yeah, so it's like kind of one of those where if you thought better now was a cool blend of like this style and that style, um, and then if you thought that better now was more on this side, then now it's like if you were to combine Wishy the best and better now, and now this is right in now that pocket.
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So that is where I think we're landing on what sound we're going for, but it just could be because kind of we've all had a collective in insight on it.
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Um, it still comes from the same process where, like, you know, Gage writes and has the big chunk of that done, and then Andrew writes some licks on it, and then we all kind of oversee and have a community input on it towards the towards the tail end.
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But that song I'd say if like you were to literally blend those two because it's like because if you thought Wishy the Best was more synth and electronic, like I do, is a more like rock version of that.
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I'm loving the evolution, man.
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Like the evolution is so cool.
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I love the sound that you guys are developing, and I like that you're doing it within the album, you know what I mean?
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I like that that we're able to kind of like piece together what this new sound, this new image is gonna be and be able to see the next step of that in the future.
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Um, are you guys anticipating?
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Because I know you said you got a lot to write right now.
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Are you anticipating?
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I mean, you must be uh anticipating next steps after this EP.
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Yeah, um, after that, it's gonna be probably just honestly more touring and more pushing that EP until um it's time to drop the next one, and it just doesn't stop.
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But yeah, and then we're gonna yeah, and then we're gonna go back to metal.
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So no, we're actually uh I don't know, we're gonna do like Americana.
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Well, actually, we we do like really fuck heavy with country music, so that might be another you guys gonna go the post Malone route?
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I mean, like we well, we covered that song.
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We cut that was another yeah, so this is a deep cut here.
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Now that you like you said that it's not gonna happen, but this brought this just joggled my memory.
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But so I'm not a big fan of like bluegrass because that's like way another subgenre of country that's like I won't even really touch anything about it.
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But I found this YouTube channel that this band called the Beverlies, and they're a bluegrass band, and they did a cover uh Red Hot Chili Peppers by the way.
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Oh no shit, and that's and that today, like to date, has become now my favorite version of that song because it's so sick.
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So look up like by the way, bluegrass cover, the Beverlies.
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Like, look it up because it goes pretty hard.
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I gotta cue it up for after this.
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I'm definitely gonna listen to that.
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Dude, I love the chili pepper so much.
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It was a it was a sweet treat that I found just one day on YouTube.
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You guys ever mess with uh uh Richard Cheese?
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You ever listen to any of Richard Cheese's stuff?
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No, dude.
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So the the whole is this is this a dick joke?
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No, well, so his name is a joke, his name is Dick Cheese, but um he does uh like duo versions of of like rap songs, so like he does a duo version of WAP, and dude, it's one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life.
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Like you it's like imagine like Nora Jones singing WAP, like it's it's that level of like jazz, like club music.
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I think I've seen a version of that.
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I don't know if it's the same guy, I'll look it up, but I actually have seen somebody that does it.
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Yeah, dude, for art so good.
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Of just pop, rock, whatever type of songs.
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Right, right, right.
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Um so we're anticipating next steps.
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We got this EP coming out.
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Um is there going to be some sort of a ballad element to this EP?
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Because so far you've put out some really heavy pop, like hard-hitting songs.
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Is there going to be like a softer track on the EP?
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I don't think on this one, unfortunately, not much to my dismay.
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Um maybe on the next one.
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I would like to.
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We actually have no ballads.
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We have like two acoustic versions of some of our older songs, but we have no ballads like in our entire discography.
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So um it would be something I it was designed that way.
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Like at some point, like I want to do a ballad, but um yeah, but we we already have like this CP completely like in the oven.
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It's not done, but it's in the oven, you know what I mean?