Feb. 22, 2026

Leather Pants, High Kicks, And Even Higher Notes: Pseudo Cowboys Interview

Leather Pants, High Kicks, And Even Higher Notes: Pseudo Cowboys Interview

Send in your music story! A glam-flash falsetto, a roundhouse kick, and a gut-punch truth about making art in a feed-driven world—this conversation with Adam from The Pseudo Cowboys is a ride. We open on the band’s signature blend of theater and grit: 80s-tinted vocals, Prince-like swagger, and riffs that feel built for sweat and stage lights. From the arena-sized squeal of The Hero Song to the sly innuendo of Cosplay Rock, Adam shows how to keep rock fun without losing the craft, and why a w...

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Season 2

Send in your music story!

A glam-flash falsetto, a roundhouse kick, and a gut-punch truth about making art in a feed-driven world—this conversation with Adam from The Pseudo Cowboys is a ride. We open on the band’s signature blend of theater and grit: 80s-tinted vocals, Prince-like swagger, and riffs that feel built for sweat and stage lights. From the arena-sized squeal of The Hero Song to the sly innuendo of Cosplay Rock, Adam shows how to keep rock fun without losing the craft, and why a wink can make a chorus hit harder.

Then we wade into deeper waters. Weekly Existential Crisis looks at comparison spirals, doomscrolling, and what happens when algorithms rewire our sense of self. Adam balances darkness with play—serious themes wrapped in hooks that stick. We swap stories about the post-pandemic scene flip, the surge of young guitar bands, and how a night out can still end at Waffle House with a melody ringing in your ears. His love for video-making turns songs into mini-worlds: Vacation Sex is both comedy gold and married-with-kids realness, while The Hero Song channels action-movie myths with high kicks and higher notes.

Under the glitter, there’s a working philosophy of modern success: real relationships over fame, Patreon over platform roulette, and local scenes over faceless curation. Adam is candid about home-studio access, the glut of releases, and why community must become the new quality control. He’s clear on AI, too—useful as a tool, hollow as a storyteller—and argues for protecting the human spark that unites strangers when a chorus lands just right. We close with dream collabs (Justin Hawkins, Billy Corgan), road stories with Marcy Playground and Spin Doctors, and a chaotic “song or euphemism” game that somehow ties it all together.

If you love high-energy rock with brains, jokes, and heart, you’ll feel right at home here. Hit play, meet The Pseudo Cowboys, and tell us which track grabbed you first. Subscribe, share with a friend who misses big choruses, and leave a review so more curious listeners can find the show.

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00:29 - Meet Adam Of The Pseudo Cowboys

02:34 - Accents, Influences, And Vocal Style

09:15 - The Hero Song And 70s–80s Metal

13:04 - The Darkness Connection And Wordplay

17:48 - Humor, Image, And Live Theatrics

22:19 - Martial Arts, Action Heroes, And Kicks

27:36 - Weekly Existential Crisis And Social Media

34:14 - Marcy Playground, Sponge, And Spin Doctors

41:36 - Redefining Success And Building A Patreon

47:26 - A Message To His New Daughter

49:23 - Cosplay Rock, Scene Resurgence, And Innuendo

57:41 - Vacation Sex Video Craft And Relatability

01:03:44 - Songwriting Roots And Beatles Education

01:07:38 - See The Sunshine And AI In Music

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What's up, everybody?

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Welcome back to the show.

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I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host and little sister Taylor.

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And an extremely special guest, uh, friend of a friend of the show, Laura Nicole, that we had on recently.

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Friends with you.

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Um also your band just fucking rocks, man.

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Local NCE, just a hops, hop, skip, and a jump away.

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Please welcome Adam from the Pseudo Cowboys.

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Adam, thank you for coming on.

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My pleasure, guys.

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Thanks for having me.

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Has anybody ever told you that you sound like uh Rhett from Rhett and Link?

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No, no, do you hear that, Taylor?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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North Carolina guy or Western one?

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I believe so.

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I believe so.

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Yeah, well, that would make sense.

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I think it's a mix of both.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's a particular dialect, especially when you get closer to the foothills.

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And uh, I mean, of course, any region has its own dialect, but um, yeah, we sound we sound like we sound over there, yeah.

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Which is hilarious because my parents sound a lot more southern than I do, which is kind of a surprise.

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Um, I think uh you sound like Link, but look like Rhett.

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Okay, which is a big compliment.

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They're great.

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So so speaking, so Rhett's the handsome one.

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Very, very of your southern draw does not come through in your songs at all.

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You have you have this really cool, like um almost almost 80 hair metal type of sound.

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You have like this squeal to your voice.

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I compared it to the struts, was was my biggest comparison.

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This happens every time.

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Um not intentional, yeah.

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Never is, isn't it so funny?

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It's so funny, but it's so annoying, and I don't know how to make it stop.

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Does it happen the word struts?

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No, no, it tracks my it has this weird like hand movement thing okay where if if I put my hand up, it knows that my hand's up and then it like zooms in on my face for some reason.

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It's real annoying.

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Uh but so I do think you guys, well, you specifically sound so much like the struts mixed with like a Steel Panther, um almost like a Judas Priest, even like you have this very like 80s style squeal to your vocals that I love, and it's unique, and I haven't heard it in so long.

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Um and you you guys kind of put on like an 80s like style when you when you perform, right?

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Yeah, I think the thing is just to be theatrical and fun, and it doesn't have to be specifically glam or anything, but you know, if I can glean pieces of what I like and throw it all together, it's like, yeah, I'm gonna just put it all in the pot and enjoy it.

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So we have moments where we're nodding our 80s, 70s influence, and then some of it is completely different, you know, because there's like a a prince thing that runs heavily through our music.

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Um so and that you know, that requires the squealy falsetto too.

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But um, yeah, it's just something weird that my voice can do, and it's like, yeah, I'm gonna be indulgent and just write a song.

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I guess you might be referring to the hero song.

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Yes, like super, super high singing, yeah.

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Um, so the funny thing about that song is uh Billy Corgan from The Pumpkins posted about uh Rainbow.

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Have you ever heard of Rainbow?

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Dio sang for Rainbow.

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Absolutely, and I'd never heard long uh long live rock and roll, and I just like listened to it.

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And as soon as I heard that, this concept for the hero song came to me, and you know, just to be like talking about dragons and medieval things.

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That's not even mentioned in the hero song, but it's just I don't know, like the thematic everything was about medieval.

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Yeah, and so I just created this song, like running riding down the road, and I started you know singing really high.

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I was like, Oh, this is great.

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Recorded on the phone, got home, wrote it.

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They they it's always like Dio and Iron Maiden.

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Every song is about them having a crazy dream, like there's always a crazy dream involved.

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Yeah, so it was more that branch of metal, like you were saying, it was Iron Maiden and and that, but you know, it sounds a little more like I'm trying to do the darkness, which I love the band The Darkness.

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That uh Justin's actually a friend of mine, and um, so the the closest I could get to making that sound was sort of imitate Justin.

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I did like 50 takes to do that, by the way.

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That's funny.

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I'm not always on like on the recording, like it's it's very high.

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But um, I went back like a couple days in a row and like resang that thing, just like I gotta get it like Justin would.

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That's it's so funny that you bring up the darkness.

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When I showed uh your band to my wife, she said it's like Nirvana meets the darkness.

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Dude, that's a great description.

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Tell us, yeah, right.

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You know what?

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We try to like make a uh palatable, you know, one-liner to tell people what do you sound like?

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And um, a lot of us just kind of agreed on we sound like the love child of Led Zeppelin and Prince.

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But I think Nirvana in the darkness is better for people that know what the dark who the darkness is.

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So that's really interesting, right?

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No, as soon as she said it, I was like, Oh, you nailed it because I kept saying the struts.

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I was like, Yeah, you you gotta check them out.

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They sound like the struts.

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And she was like, No, it's not the struts.

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And then she was she was listening to it.

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Actually, she was listening to um uh baby it's baby it's a covenant.

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Um oh and and she was yeah, and she was listening to it and she was like, No, it's it's something else.

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Um, and then she was listening to it a couple times.

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She was like, Nope, it's the darkness.

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She was like, He sounds like the lead singer of the darkness.

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That's so interesting.

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Yeah, so and then once she said it, there is like a through line in your vocals there.

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Um, so it's cool that you have that influence and that connection with him as well.

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That's amazing.

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She picked that up.

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Um, yeah, I I communicate with him pretty regularly and um actually showed him that song.

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I was like, Is this too close to Growing on Me and Dinner Lady Arms?

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And he's like, Nah.

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But I was trying to do on the song Baby It's Covenant, like a word play, like he would do, also.

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So it's um, you know, musically it's kind of in that space, but also just having fun with words and writing a silly love song, covenant and loving it, like yeah, yeah.

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That's another thing we gotta talk about is your incredible lyricism, um, especially the punny side.

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You you really know how to like take uh uh uh play on words and push it to the extreme.

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Yeah, well, I'm glad you find that fun because I feel like most of the time it's not well received or not received at all, but that's being an entertainer sometimes.

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You just you're doing what you love, and who cat catches it catches it.

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So, yeah, you're you're definitely like your band seems like fun, you know what I mean?

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It's it's not like could well so you have some deeper songs on there for sure.

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Um, but like most of your guys' tracks are this like high energy going out to a bar, fun kind of band, you know, and we don't see that much these days.

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Yeah.

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Well, I also have to point to the darkness for that because a lot of the earlier material was very serious.

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Um, because you know, we've been around a long time and different eras of music have come and gone.

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So when we really got started, I mean there were a lot heavier bands like in the mainstream culture, and so we were kind of doing more of that kind of music, but I that's what I like too, anyway.

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You know, um there's some really good, really good acts from the early 2000s, and uh so we were writing stuff that was in that vein.

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Um, when it came to like trying to get attention on the internet, I found that being humorous was a little bit better, and you know, if you're gonna capture somebody, like seriousness doesn't always translate, especially on social media.

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So the things that we invest our time in with music videos and content, it's like being humorous, and that's how we are anyway, because we're a bunch of nerds that goof off, and and it's like we want people to kind of relate to that and also enjoy the deeper stuff, but I think overall I just want people to be playful when they hear our music and come out and cut up and um you know, be be nerds with us.

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Yeah.

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So what would you say is like your most nerdy uh hobby or thing that you enjoy?

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Martial arts.

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Martial arts, what are we talking like uh karate jiu-jitsu taekwondo?

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Oh, yeah, like you know, the mixture of uh 90s version of karate that you could take in a rural t town that I grew up in, you know, like the things that they make fun of in you know, fist and footway.

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And I follow this amazing uh Instagram account where these guys basically troll and they they do like these board breaking circuits where they run around like some dressing like like Ken from Street Fighter, and it's and it's hilarious to see the comments like people are like enraged, like that's not real martial arts.

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They're they're they're having fun and they're messing with you, and like yeah, like say that again.

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Can I see your best kick?

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Yeah, but the problem is I have sweatpants on right now.

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So maybe maybe watch the hero song video where I do those roundhouse kicks.

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Got it, got it.

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I'll throw some pretty high kicks in there.

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Okay.

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Um but uh yeah, martial arts people are are nerds, there's like a particular type of nerd, and I and I love that crowd, and um, so you know well almost like uh like a fitness nerd.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, you get the people together, I don't know, they just they have this deep passion where they can't see the humor and how fill funny they look sometimes.

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So yeah, yeah.

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I mean, growing up who did not want to wear a ghee, like if yeah, and especially in the 90s, like the Power Rangers, like come on, man.

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And all his action movies, and that that's a lot of the inspiration for the hero song, is just my love for that era of action movie where the hero, like I was trying to outline like the really shallow qualities according to those movies that make a hero, you know, he's unconscionably handsome.

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And you know, he solves all things with karate, like in the lyrics there.

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So yeah, yeah.

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So wait, so does that mean you were like a big Jason Segal guy too?

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I was more Van Dam, okay, Bruce Lee.

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Um, but you know, I watched them all, you know, Steven Segal and um you know the Chuck Norris movies and Arnold and Chuck Norris Stallone.

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Uh Chuck Norris was like in an icon.

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What was that show that he was in?

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Um Walker.

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Walker, Texas Ranger, yeah.

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It's so good.

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Doesn't he also wear a gi in that?

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He wears like the like a top gi and and like blue jeans, right?

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Um I think he just has like a western attire on, like, Texas Ranger would.

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Uh that that that's just something that's stuck in my head, I guess.

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See, Chuck Norris is so powerful, you just see the gi and you see the black belt, even though he doesn't have to wear it.

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What happened to the Chuck Norris jokes?

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I miss that.

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I miss that so much.

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Well, there's an Instagram account um called Chuck Jokes, I think.

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I'm promoting like other people's accounts right now.

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Um but yeah, I get those Chuck Chuck jokes jokes.

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Um tell me about Tell me about weekly existential crisis.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well that's my favorite song on this EP.

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Oh, cool, yeah.

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I mean, I think that everybody can relate to looking at your phone and comparing yourself to others in this day and age because we have to interface through social media, and it's sort of like you know, at that time when I wrote it, um, there were horrible shootings and things going on.

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I mean, it was just what last year or the year before.

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And I I feel like, you know, if I'm just a normal, sort of kind of well-balanced person, as much as an artist can be, and I feel horrible comparing myself to others, like what does an unstable person feel like?

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So I was trying to tow this line of being like both characters, like a a common person can relate to feeling like this just I'm valueless and I can't keep up, and then also be that person that's a little bit psychopathic, and uh, you know, what kind of acts are they gonna commit?

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So it's a very dark song, but it uh I love the sound of that song.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's the the guitar is killer on that song.

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I absolutely love the guitar in that song, but the the message, man, yeah, that I I really like gravitated towards that one on this one.

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Like there was just something about the exactly like you were saying, the the way that you're kind of talking about social media and just how people view themselves comparing yourself to other people, and and especially right now, I feel like that message is so much stronger now, probably than when you wrote it.

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And and it truly, like I I think that one's one that I think everyone, if you have a chance, should pull that track and listen to, because I think that has a such such a beautiful message in it, too, towards the end.

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Yeah, I mean, I worry about people.

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That's uh like I said, if you know a normal person feels these dark things, uh, you know, people that are being influenced by it that aren't so stable and don't have a good foundation.

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Whoo, yeah, right.

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And you still were able to pull out like such a dark topic in a playful manner, like that's crazy to me.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I I I don't know how else to say this other than Marcy Playground.

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Yeah.

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How how how did that come about?

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Yeah.

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Um, well, they are managed by actually a Raleigh entertainment company, and uh we connected through them.

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And in the in the past, uh they used to do these things that the radio station would sponsor that we would do a cruise in a or Bahamas retreat, and I was lucky enough to be asked to go down there and be a part of it and perform by the radio station and this entertainment company, um Deep South Entertainment.

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And so they pulled Marcy in for that and uh and also sponge.

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And uh I went down to the Bahamas a couple times, played with these different groups, and um John was super nice.

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At one point, we played a show together in Raleigh at Deep South and made a little appearance on a promo video for me and just saying some nice things.

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So awesome, talented dudes, love those guys, and they're still out there really kicking it right now, too.

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If you ever get a chance to see Marcy live, they're they're really good.

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As such a music fan, when that happened, were you like this is a dream come true situation?

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Like, especially like Marcy and Sponge.

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I didn't even realize it was Sponge, also.

00:16:03.530 --> 00:16:05.129
That's crazy, man.

00:16:05.370 --> 00:16:06.410
Yeah, yeah.

00:16:06.570 --> 00:16:11.370
I mean, I eventually learned how to act around successful people, but it took a bit.

00:16:12.009 --> 00:16:39.530
I'm still actually saw um I played in downtown Raleigh not too long ago um for a summer fest and they had um spin doctors playing, and I met Chris Baron back when we had a Bud Light downtown live concert series in the early 2000s, and he happened to walk into a bar that I was going to too, and I just like asked him really stupid questions, kind of was his little shadow following him around.

00:16:39.610 --> 00:16:49.290
And so all these years later, I guess it's almost it was like 15 years later, I was like, hey, he was about to get on stage and I just played, and I was like, Hey man, can I stop you for a second?

00:16:49.370 --> 00:16:56.810
I just want to thank you for being so poised and gracious when I was a young man, just like asking dumb questions.

00:16:56.890 --> 00:16:57.850
He's like, What'd you ask?

00:16:58.009 --> 00:17:00.570
And I was like, Oh, it was something stupid, don't worry about it.

00:17:00.650 --> 00:17:09.129
But I just I I remember that example of him, you know, being patient and interacting with somebody where he probably just wanted to get to where he was going.

00:17:09.289 --> 00:17:12.250
And I thought that's how you treat people like when you're successful.

00:17:12.410 --> 00:17:14.490
So it it really served me well.

00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:20.490
Not that I've been successful, but I think you know, when you play a lot, you interact with a lot of people that want to get your attention.

00:17:20.650 --> 00:17:25.129
If they want to express something to you, you should, you know, really give them the time of day.

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And it's not always easy to do.

00:17:27.369 --> 00:17:29.690
And I I thought he did a really nice job of that.

00:17:29.769 --> 00:17:35.930
So shout out to Chris Barron from Spin Doctors, another incredible group I've had the chance to share a bill with.

00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:43.930
I I can I can only imagine you being like at the bar and you just walk up to me and you're like, hey, hey, two princes, right?

00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:45.850
What about it?

00:17:45.930 --> 00:17:48.569
And you're like, Yeah, man, great stuff.

00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:59.130
Um, yeah, I appreciate your modesty, and uh to me, I would venture to say that you have reached success.

00:17:59.370 --> 00:18:00.569
Um yeah, yeah.

00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:03.210
Especially to Taylor and I.

00:18:03.370 --> 00:18:09.930
Uh we're big fans, but as as you say that, how do you define success?

00:18:10.090 --> 00:18:14.730
What what what defines success for you and in where you are as an artist today?

00:18:15.370 --> 00:18:32.250
Yeah, uh, I think just a real reciprocal relationship with a real audience, like the days of you know, having that superstar level of success is not really within reach for a lot of people, and you know, as you get older, you don't really want that either.

00:18:32.330 --> 00:18:47.210
But what what I want is like knowing the people that are interested in my songs and the band's work, and um, I really like having you know enough of a reciprocal personal relationship with people to be able to sustain off of.

00:18:47.289 --> 00:19:10.330
So like we have a Patreon, and those people that are in that community that subscribe to us, like they are the best fans because they they kick in and allow us to make music by subscribing, even if they're you know in the free tier or whatever, they're interacting and they're interested in the things that we're showing the behind the scenes and just silly stuff that didn't get used in a music video.

00:19:10.410 --> 00:19:18.170
And it's like everybody's just kind of interested in it and keeping up with us, and like, God, that feels good as an artist, just to be able to share and it be received.

00:19:18.330 --> 00:19:32.170
Like on social media, a lot of the times, you know, you put something out there and it just evaporates, and you could have like really executed it well, and you know, for no reason at all, something else works, and you didn't put that much effort into it.

00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:42.970
But like, you know, when we have that super fan club on Patreon, and you know, they're commenting and asking us like questions, and we do live streams and interact, like that, that is the thing right there.

00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:51.529
Um, I would love to grow it, um, but uh I at the same time it feels like super fortunate for the people that are there, like that is that is success.

00:19:51.690 --> 00:19:53.610
So hell yeah, man.

00:19:53.690 --> 00:19:59.850
Uh speaking of your Patreon, those fans also are aware of you being a new father.

00:20:00.170 --> 00:20:04.009
Um let's just I gotta ask.

00:20:04.090 --> 00:20:09.850
I I had Ryan Cabrera on here last year, and I asked him this question because he's also a new dad.

00:20:10.330 --> 00:20:22.809
Um what is a message today that you want your child to find in the archive someday that you want to leave behind?

00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:27.930
What is what is something that today you want to tell your child for the future?

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I want her to feel secure no matter what she does, like that she's just deeply loved, and to not, you know, we were talking about the way people feel judging themselves, rating themselves against what's presented on social media.

00:20:43.610 --> 00:20:47.850
It's all you know, sort of a a uh performative facade.

00:20:48.009 --> 00:20:50.970
Like I don't I don't want her to see that and feel moved at all.

00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:55.370
Like I I want her to understand she's just like at her foundation, okay.

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And uh, you know, a lot of us may have a little bit of a hole in ourselves and we're looking for validation outside of things.

00:21:02.569 --> 00:21:08.890
And I and I hope that you know mine and my wife's love can just override all those influences.

00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:12.809
Um that's uh that's my goal with her, you know.

00:21:12.970 --> 00:21:17.210
So I'm telling this little baby that doesn't even understand me yet, it's just I love you, just like looking at her.

00:21:17.289 --> 00:21:28.170
I don't want her to be like, you know, overindulged, but she needs to know at her core, like she's gonna be good no matter what happens when outside judgment, anything.

00:21:28.410 --> 00:21:28.890
Right.

00:21:29.130 --> 00:21:30.890
It's a beautiful message, man.

00:21:31.289 --> 00:21:36.170
Um let's talk about cosplay rock real quick.

00:21:37.049 --> 00:21:44.650
How how did how did you land on putting that as number one is my first question.

00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:52.890
Um secondly, just tell the story because the it's it's wild.

00:21:53.210 --> 00:21:53.769
Yeah.

00:21:54.330 --> 00:22:11.450
Well, I'll tell you what, when we came out of the pandemic, um, we started doing shows again, and we were trying to, you know, get on bills that have bands that are like us, and there are a lot of young rock bands out right now, and it and it kind of shocked us like there were people to play with post pandemic for some reason.

00:22:11.529 --> 00:22:16.330
Like I guess kids, you know, shred shedded on the guitar and got to shredding.

00:22:16.650 --> 00:22:35.610
And um when we played like one of our first shows at a local venue called the Poor House Suite, played with some young guys and they all had long hair, and this hasn't existed for a long time, like um you know, we were like Outcasts in the local music scene for like the rock and wearing too much color and you know being theatrical.

00:22:35.690 --> 00:22:39.529
Like that wasn't cool, like the indie rock thing like dominated forever.

00:22:39.769 --> 00:22:45.610
And um, so when this resurgence of rock came out, I was like, this is amazing.

00:22:45.769 --> 00:22:55.529
Um and the spirit was in the air, and I just watching these like young dudes be like I was when I was their age, fully into it.

00:22:55.610 --> 00:23:07.850
I mean, fully embracing like I'm a rock and roller, and and but contextually it's like disconnected from you know the path that came from 60s to 70s to 80s to 90s, and then you know, sort of fell apart.

00:23:07.930 --> 00:23:19.450
But they're picking it back up, and I just think it I think it's fun, but it's also funny as a as a grown man, like who lived through it and lived like in that time in your 20s when you're like there's nothing else, you know.

00:23:19.610 --> 00:23:38.730
So I wanted to encapsulate that spirit, but the song tracks two young ladies going through the night and having this experience, going out and to see these boys that they got a crush on that are playing, and then they end up at the waffle house at the end, like all um good nights out going to see what music does.

00:23:39.049 --> 00:23:54.410
So um, you know, so it's about really about the girls, and then the boys are sort of in the background singing the chorus, and then there's also the washed-up musicians like judging from afar, which is you know the curmudgeonly old guy, like a little bit jealous that I don't think.

00:23:56.569 --> 00:23:57.450
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:57.690 --> 00:24:06.330
So um, yeah, it's just uh it's definitely not um negative, it's just you know, encapsulation of it all.

00:24:06.490 --> 00:24:08.809
And I I I saw this happen.

00:24:08.970 --> 00:24:13.210
And and the weird thing was when we played those shows, it was all girls in the crowd.

00:24:13.450 --> 00:24:14.970
Like that never was the case either.

00:24:15.049 --> 00:24:23.610
It was it was all guys, so post-pandemic, like everything got inverted, and I was just like, I don't know, inspired, wanted to capture the scene.

00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:25.850
You have oh go ahead.

00:24:26.170 --> 00:24:30.650
I was gonna say now I want weekly existential crisis to be the first song.

00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:32.009
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:32.250 --> 00:24:39.930
I went to try and change it and change the order, um, and and it wouldn't let me say uh that's really not track one anymore.

00:24:40.009 --> 00:24:43.130
But if you listen on Spotify, it's cosplay rock is number one.

00:24:43.450 --> 00:24:54.170
So um you have this way to to write uh uh a very fun innuindu song.

00:24:54.970 --> 00:25:09.529
Cosplay rock is for sure that, but nowhere near vacation sex, which the moment that I heard I I was 12 seconds in and sent it to my wife.

00:25:09.769 --> 00:25:15.289
I was like, this is my new favorite song, and it was it was right before Valentine's Day.

00:25:15.370 --> 00:25:17.289
I was like, This is perfect, yeah.

00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:23.370
She goes, so I sent her the video, and she goes, What in the hell am I watching?

00:25:25.130 --> 00:25:26.490
That's the response I want.

00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:29.850
It's it's my favorite music video of all time.

00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.370
I'm I'm in love with it, it's so funny.

00:25:33.690 --> 00:25:37.049
Um, who how do you guys write your music videos?

00:25:37.210 --> 00:25:40.250
Who who's the creative genius behind your music videos?

00:25:40.569 --> 00:25:45.529
Well, I I think uh sort of birthed them and then we raised them as a village.

00:25:45.690 --> 00:26:03.769
So I'll bring the idea like I really want to do this because I have this concept and I think it will be entertaining, and then we all pitch in and and like everybody shows up and just kicks ass, like you know, hey, I want to do this dance move, or you know, what if I'm you know humping the dryer or something.

00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:15.769
It was like in the hero song um when Dom uh Dominic Serkin was was in the band, like he just showed up with um juggling items and a log.

00:26:16.890 --> 00:26:25.529
So if you see that, I don't know if you can cut that in when you know, maybe make a clip of this, but absolutely Dom's going across the lava on a log juggling.

00:26:25.610 --> 00:26:28.410
It was like, why did you bring this?

00:26:28.490 --> 00:26:29.769
It was so perfect though.

00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:57.130
So everybody gets real playful, and um, you know, there's kind of a there has to be a structure when you're working on a low budget to like get in so much stuff, but then everybody tries to like come up with ways to make each other laugh, and right God, Keith in the kitchen on vacation six, rubbing the flower on his face and deep fruiting the banana it reminded me so much of like Lonely Island, yeah, in like the best way.

00:26:57.289 --> 00:27:14.330
Um, but also I love the song on a deeper level because I don't even know if you did it intentionally, but like as a married man with a young child, like it truly does resonate in a in a weird way, you know.

00:27:14.809 --> 00:27:26.970
Dude, I had somebody the other day uh because I think I posted a clip from it that where I was doing the grass mowing part, yeah, yeah, just to kind of like say, Hey, warm weather is near or something like that.

00:27:27.130 --> 00:27:28.730
Don't forget about vacation sex.

00:27:28.970 --> 00:27:33.850
And um, somebody in the comments wrote, We're about to go on vacation, and I can't stop thinking about this song, you know.

00:27:33.930 --> 00:27:44.650
And I know them personally, I know that they have a number of kids, and it's like there's yeah, they're actually getting the way of just the two of them, and uh, and I'm like, I'm so glad I'm in your head when you're enjoying yourself.

00:27:46.090 --> 00:27:51.610
But truisms are what you're trying to connect with people, so yeah.

00:27:51.769 --> 00:27:56.490
Um, I'm glad, even though it's silly, that some people I mean, they're like, I do appreciate that song.

00:27:56.650 --> 00:27:57.850
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

00:27:58.009 --> 00:28:04.250
Like I said, as you know, trying to navigate that as new parents is damn near impossible.

00:28:04.569 --> 00:28:18.090
So I understand and and appreciate it, and I love that I can somewhat disguise humor with with actual feelings when I send that to my wife.

00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:24.890
So uh, but my whole point in this weird roundabout way is you also do the same thing in cosplay rock.

00:28:25.049 --> 00:28:32.569
You have this way of writing these these innuendos into your music that it's just so cleverly put.

00:28:32.890 --> 00:28:37.289
Um, how how did how did you start writing music?

00:28:37.930 --> 00:28:43.049
Well, my dad's a songwriter, he's not a like a published songwriter, but I mean he's just it's in his blood.

00:28:43.130 --> 00:28:45.769
And he did play music for a living when he was younger.

00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:50.730
So when I was really little, he would be working on his recordings in the basement.

00:28:51.049 --> 00:28:54.569
And uh that super, super influenced me.

00:28:54.650 --> 00:29:02.650
Um, you know, because it's not just a song, it's uh an expression of a bit of your soul that needs to come out, you know, and I could see what it meant to him.

00:29:02.809 --> 00:29:09.370
So once I decided I was gonna play guitar in like my early teens, like I started writing songs immediately.

00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:16.490
So um, you know, it it functions as therapy, and if you're creative, you know, you just gotta have output anyway.

00:29:16.650 --> 00:29:24.009
So the more you do, the better you get at it, and the the more clever ways that you know you have to go at it.

00:29:24.170 --> 00:29:27.930
And is is there any um never stopped?

00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:30.650
Is there any uh uh formal practice?

00:29:30.809 --> 00:29:35.850
Did you take like a writing course or or dive into like language as a whole at all?

00:29:36.410 --> 00:30:10.090
No, um, you know, I'd have to say, God, I bet people get tired of me talking about the Beatles, but when I was a kid, the Beatles Anthology series came out, and it's I don't know if you know about the anthology or not, but it's for people that don't, it's a collection of like the alternate takes and different demos of the songs and then different mixes, and it shows the progression of like a lot of those songs developing, and like to hear that as you were learning how to write songs and understand like you know what the final version was versus like these things you're hearing.

00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:17.450
It's like I got I got to studying it and just the freedom that those guys had to experiment, change things around.

00:30:17.529 --> 00:30:19.049
It it's it's unbelievable.

00:30:19.210 --> 00:30:24.090
Um, so that was the best education for me, other than my dad being a great songwriter.

00:30:24.410 --> 00:30:35.610
Let's talk about See the Sunshine, which I think, in my opinion, is a song that seems like it means a decent chunk to you.

00:30:36.170 --> 00:30:40.809
Um tell me the story behind that and and what it means to you.

00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:51.370
Yeah, so it's just a plea for people in modern times to try to reconnect with what we're made of and to not get too lost in the digital thing.

00:30:51.450 --> 00:30:56.970
It's it it dovetails into the weekly existential crisis theme, also.

00:30:57.210 --> 00:31:06.970
Um, but when the um rise of AI being able to make music started to become apparent, me and some of my musician musician friends were just talking about it, like what the heck?

00:31:07.049 --> 00:31:16.890
Because we we're all wise enough to know like the music industry is gonna try and find the easiest way to make money because it's a business, and that's just what it's gonna do.

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:21.610
So if you don't need real writers writing about real lived experience, then they're gonna, you know, do that.

00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:30.170
They're gonna they're gonna create things that you spoke you you think are supposed to be popular in an automated way, and it's not connected to a soul at all.

00:31:30.250 --> 00:31:44.009
So it just really started bothering me, you know, because I've invested my life in being a creative, and um, you know, and then other things are going on in the world that are chaotic, and you know, it it just you as a human you just feel kind of lost.

00:31:44.090 --> 00:32:03.529
But I I've seen the power of music so many times over, playing in a diverse crowd, playing music that people love, and just bringing everybody of all backgrounds together, and like that it's a magic that you can't replicate with you know something automated or digital is inexplicable.

00:32:03.769 --> 00:32:17.049
And I'm just uh I'm just asking for people to remember to keep that in their lives, you know, and remember to do it for yourself and remember to have an ethic where you support real creators.

00:32:17.930 --> 00:32:24.890
You know, it's it's up to us if the business is trying to make you know corpor corporate money, you know, that's what's gonna happen.

00:32:25.049 --> 00:32:37.210
But in our local scene, you can still support people that are real, passionate people with lives that have stories to tell and they have witticisms that they can only, you know, a machine can't replicate.

00:32:37.529 --> 00:32:38.009
Exactly.

00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:52.730
This weird personality just has a way of saying what it says, you know, and hopefully that's valuable, more valuable than the um, you know, statistically likely calculations that AI makes to make songs.

00:32:52.809 --> 00:32:54.410
Like it doesn't mean anything.

00:32:54.809 --> 00:32:56.490
I I couldn't agree more.

00:32:56.650 --> 00:33:12.890
I feel like um AI has its its uses as a very strong tool in the right situations, but utilizing it in the arts, number one, is such a a very, very tricky line to walk, anyways.

00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:19.049
But I I could talk for another hour just on my gripes with the industry as a whole.

00:33:19.289 --> 00:33:27.850
Um, but I do it does raise a question that I have for you with with that feeling of uh how you feel about the AI situation.

00:33:28.009 --> 00:33:39.289
Uh how do you feel about the accessibility today to create music comparatively to when you were growing up?

00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:45.850
And and how labels realistically do not make or break success at this point.

00:33:46.250 --> 00:34:11.610
Um my feeling is it is when I was growing up, in order to have a home studio like I have right now, would have cost me thousands upon thousands of dollars um on top of the the know-how to even begin to record a track and the training and years of experience that would have to go into that, you would have to go to a studio, you know, it just wasn't feasible.

00:34:11.849 --> 00:34:30.730
But now we live in this world where for six-seven hundred bucks in a in a afternoon of YouTube, you can realistically put out a track that in the 90s would have been next level production value, you know?

00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:36.489
So how how do you feel as a as an artist yourself about that accessibility?

00:34:37.289 --> 00:34:46.089
Yeah, well, I love the accessibility as far as you know being able to get my ideas down faster and to a point that's like more presentable.

00:34:46.409 --> 00:34:56.649
But I think with the increase in availability and supply, you know, it makes it less special to have an opportunity to like record something.

00:34:56.889 --> 00:35:17.049
And so, you know, maybe we take it for granted and don't, you know, when when you maybe go to into a studio to to record something, like I don't know, it's it it's not the same elite team of people putting in their best ideas and trying to you know create something to get that chance to have something on the radio.

00:35:17.289 --> 00:35:20.409
So it's just a different game altogether.

00:35:20.569 --> 00:35:26.889
And um, you know, you can't you can't fight supply and demand.

00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:33.369
If there's more supply and more people making music, like you know, the demand is gonna go down, which is like a lyric and weekly existential crisis.

00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:34.889
It's like you know, what are you gonna do?

00:35:34.969 --> 00:35:36.409
So I take the good with the bad.

00:35:36.489 --> 00:35:41.929
I definitely appreciate being able to make my own stuff at home, but it's lonely sometimes, you know.

00:35:42.730 --> 00:35:43.129
Absolutely.

00:35:43.529 --> 00:35:48.569
You're expected as an artist to like figure it out on your own versus yeah having a team of support.

00:35:48.649 --> 00:36:01.609
I mean, your band is your team, but like every everybody can't invest as as much into it as like a a label could and an AR person that really cared about seeing the project get to its highest point.

00:36:01.849 --> 00:36:07.049
So it it's got pros and cons, and you know, you just try to navigate where you're at right now.

00:36:07.369 --> 00:36:57.129
I I do feel that um I like it's it's such a hard, like double-edged sword to kind of deal with because like I want anyone to be able to make art, I don't want to gatekeep art, however, I do think that the labels did provide us a level of not necessarily professionalism but kind of uh quality control when anyone can make anything and things like TikTok and Instagram exist, you can pretty much buy success because you can flood the internet with the same sound, and because of our biology, repetition equals you know, a level of success on its own.

00:36:57.289 --> 00:37:01.449
If you hear the same phrase enough, eventually it'll be something you remember.

00:37:01.689 --> 00:37:12.250
So um unfortunately, with that mindset, I think that we do need some sort of a quality control to kind of get put back in place.

00:37:12.489 --> 00:37:17.689
And I don't have the answer to it, but I I think there needs to be something.

00:37:17.769 --> 00:37:19.369
I don't know yet.

00:37:19.769 --> 00:37:20.809
Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:27.289
Um, I think one of those things is that people who care invest in their own local scene.

00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:38.489
Um, there's some guys around here, they they have a group called Indie Rock Catalog, and they try to just make sure people are supporting certain shows and go out and just you know, talk about what's going on.

00:37:38.569 --> 00:37:57.769
And like in the old days, there were there were fanzines, and that sort of was a hub that brought people together, you know, like what's what's cool to look at and go out and see, and and these zines would talk about what's in going on in the scene, and you know, it just it was something that put energy back in, and I think we have to make that choice.

00:37:58.009 --> 00:38:03.849
Um, I don't know what's gonna have to happen for people to feel compelled to do that.

00:38:04.009 --> 00:38:07.689
That's that's a big question, Mark.

00:38:08.009 --> 00:38:09.049
Absolutely.

00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:13.210
Um, but one final question that I have for you for the interview side.

00:38:13.449 --> 00:38:19.849
Um, I would like to ask you this question that we ask everybody, or at least have in recent times.

00:38:20.009 --> 00:38:24.329
Uh what is one artist that you would like to collaborate with?

00:38:25.049 --> 00:38:25.609
Hmm.

00:38:26.089 --> 00:38:33.449
Well, I'd probably say my buddy Justin Um Hawkins, he's an incredibly talented dude.

00:38:33.529 --> 00:38:36.409
Um, I mean, we have kind of collaborated, but in a different way.

00:38:36.489 --> 00:38:38.969
We we did some live streams together during the pandemic.

00:38:39.049 --> 00:38:43.210
But uh as far as like recording and writing something, that'd be kind of fun.

00:38:43.529 --> 00:38:45.689
Or one of my heroes, Billy Corgan.

00:38:46.250 --> 00:38:51.609
Um, I'd just like to sit in a room with him and just be in his mind.

00:38:51.769 --> 00:38:55.609
I'd I'd love to see how he works in the studio and how he thinks about you know the process.

00:38:55.689 --> 00:38:59.129
And just I mean, somebody with so much experience, it'd be fun.

00:38:59.529 --> 00:39:01.529
If it clicked, you never want to force anything.

00:39:02.169 --> 00:39:02.889
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:03.129 --> 00:39:10.009
That's the fantasy, is that like you get together and it just clicks and and next thing you know, you wrote a song and it's really good.

00:39:10.649 --> 00:39:17.929
I I think with you and Justin doing something, one of you would have to choose a different octave to sing.

00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:18.889
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:20.250
No, he would sing.

00:39:21.210 --> 00:39:25.369
That man is a goddamn powerhouse duet.

00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:26.489
I think that would be awesome.

00:39:26.730 --> 00:39:28.569
Yeah, well, I'll take the low one then.

00:39:28.649 --> 00:39:33.289
But yeah, he's uh he's a much better singer and musician than most people realize.

00:39:33.369 --> 00:39:34.569
Um, right, right.

00:39:34.889 --> 00:39:38.009
So I think we could probably crank out something that'd be fun.

00:39:38.089 --> 00:39:39.609
Just I I want to be good.

00:39:41.049 --> 00:39:41.529
Yeah.

00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:44.649
Um, the Billy Corgan, that's a great answer, too.

00:39:44.730 --> 00:39:56.409
Like, I know he's so influential for you, but like tonality-wise, I think you guys offer this difference in your tonality that could be really interesting to the ear.

00:39:56.730 --> 00:40:02.889
Um your guitar and and band and everything are are very similar melodically.

00:40:02.969 --> 00:40:07.049
Um but your your tonalities would be really interesting to hear.

00:40:07.210 --> 00:40:09.049
So it would be interesting.

00:40:09.449 --> 00:40:11.289
Um I'm down for it.

00:40:12.889 --> 00:40:18.089
All right, so uh we have this incredible game that we're gonna play.

00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:21.449
This is gonna be between you and Taylor.

00:40:21.929 --> 00:40:25.129
So, yes, yeah, you got it to win.

00:40:25.449 --> 00:40:27.689
So she's been saving her energy the whole time.

00:40:27.929 --> 00:40:28.569
I have.

00:40:29.210 --> 00:40:35.769
But I've been trying to do my best to explain complicated philosophical thoughts, and I've been eating it up.

00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:37.689
No, we uh the dogs are barking.

00:40:37.849 --> 00:40:42.889
I didn't want it to ruin your your sh your ph philosophicalness.

00:40:43.529 --> 00:40:48.329
My my spiel, your spiel, but then that didn't feel right.

00:40:48.649 --> 00:40:49.529
It sounded, yeah.

00:40:49.689 --> 00:40:58.409
We knew you were going for spiel, but it I would have been honestly, that would have prompted a conversation after this because I would have been like, yo, dude, that was that was fucked up to say, yeah.

00:40:58.569 --> 00:41:02.489
Like I was gonna say spiel, and I'm like, it's more than a spiel, yeah.

00:41:02.730 --> 00:41:08.489
You know, mute my musings, yes, yes, that is a proper way to say it.

00:41:09.129 --> 00:41:13.449
Um bear with me just a moment for some reason it's not loading.

00:41:13.849 --> 00:41:16.569
It's bearing both RC, bad boys.

00:41:19.689 --> 00:41:21.289
Uh uh.

00:41:21.769 --> 00:41:24.250
Anyways, how's everybody's day going, guys?

00:41:26.169 --> 00:41:28.809
Oh, we went two different directions.

00:41:31.049 --> 00:41:31.849
The game is Friday.

00:41:32.009 --> 00:41:32.730
It's it's loading.

00:41:33.129 --> 00:41:33.929
You know how my day's going.

00:41:34.169 --> 00:41:35.689
We're talking sleep deprivation.

00:41:35.929 --> 00:41:38.009
Oh, uh here.

00:41:38.329 --> 00:41:38.730
You know what?

00:41:38.809 --> 00:41:40.250
I'm just gonna give you the bad news.

00:41:40.329 --> 00:41:42.649
I I hate to have to do this to you.

00:41:42.969 --> 00:41:48.009
Anyone that anybody that tells you that it gets better, I'm waiting for that day.

00:41:48.169 --> 00:41:49.289
It hasn't happened yet.

00:41:49.449 --> 00:41:58.009
There have been glimpses, there have been glimpses where things will be good for a little bit, and then out of nowhere it goes so south.

00:41:58.250 --> 00:41:59.369
Oh, yep.

00:41:59.689 --> 00:42:00.329
Oh my.

00:42:00.569 --> 00:42:07.210
I I hate to give you that terrible news, but well, you still have uh a sparkle about you, so I feel pretty good.

00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:12.009
Maybe the the joy of the child is do you drink you drink coffee?

00:42:12.169 --> 00:42:19.929
I was gonna say if you drink coffee, yeah, roughly an entire kettle a day.

00:42:20.329 --> 00:42:22.489
So yeah, that's gonna transition.

00:42:22.569 --> 00:42:28.649
I went from one coffee a day to an entire thing of coffee, but wasn't it wasn't one coffee?

00:42:29.210 --> 00:42:30.089
Wasn't a lot.

00:42:30.569 --> 00:42:32.569
Well, a couple, anyways.

00:42:32.809 --> 00:42:34.409
We have this awesome game.

00:42:34.649 --> 00:42:47.289
Uh, since you are a very playful guy and love a uh play on words per se, this game is called Is That a Song?

00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:51.129
Or are you just happy to see me?

00:42:51.609 --> 00:42:52.889
That's funny.

00:42:53.289 --> 00:42:54.969
Did you draw the little guy?

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:56.969
Oh, I did.

00:42:57.129 --> 00:42:57.609
I did.

00:42:58.009 --> 00:42:58.649
Bring it back.

00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:01.449
So what are those happening?

00:43:01.689 --> 00:43:02.809
Well, I'm gonna read them.

00:43:02.889 --> 00:43:04.329
That's why it's between you guys.

00:43:04.809 --> 00:43:08.169
So this is a game where we have two.

00:43:08.489 --> 00:43:13.609
We we're gonna read a title, and you tell me if it's a song or a euphemism.

00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:15.369
We're gonna say euphemism.

00:43:15.529 --> 00:43:17.049
Five dollars to who can do it.

00:43:17.529 --> 00:43:20.089
Uh I can do it, but I'm staring at the words, so that's unfair.

00:43:20.329 --> 00:43:21.129
It doesn't count.

00:43:22.730 --> 00:43:25.609
All right, so I'm gonna start with you, Adam.

00:43:25.689 --> 00:43:27.769
Uh, speaking of which, my son's name is Adam.

00:43:28.009 --> 00:43:32.009
Yeah, I can't believe we went almost 45 minutes and you haven't brought that up.

00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:32.889
Yeah.

00:43:33.369 --> 00:43:33.849
Cool.

00:43:34.809 --> 00:43:37.289
Our babies entertainment put on us today.

00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:41.449
So I have been with him for like 11 hours.

00:43:42.250 --> 00:43:43.849
Went from one Adam to another.

00:43:44.489 --> 00:43:45.129
Champion.

00:43:46.009 --> 00:43:46.649
I know, guys.

00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:48.409
I'm a I'm a survivor.

00:43:48.730 --> 00:43:52.329
Single mom who works too hard, loves her kids and never stops.

00:43:52.649 --> 00:43:54.409
So we're gonna start with you, Adam.

00:43:54.489 --> 00:43:57.129
The first one is pretty easy, I would say.

00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:58.569
Come as you are.

00:43:58.889 --> 00:43:59.529
Yeah.

00:44:00.009 --> 00:44:03.210
That is Nirvana Taylor.

00:44:03.529 --> 00:44:05.049
Oh, can I inter interject?

00:44:05.210 --> 00:44:10.889
I just heard some news that they're gonna open the uh death of Kirk Cobain's skin.

00:44:11.049 --> 00:44:11.769
Have you heard about that?

00:44:12.089 --> 00:44:12.649
Yes.

00:44:12.889 --> 00:44:15.769
Um, actually, thanks for bringing that up, Adam.

00:44:15.929 --> 00:44:18.250
Uh subtle plug over to me, I guess.

00:44:18.409 --> 00:44:27.289
Uh, on Dark Side of Music, our side show, which is a true crime music podcast that comes out every Friday.

00:44:27.929 --> 00:44:34.889
We will be doing a part two to the Kurt Cobain story where we are going to follow up on all of this new evidence.

00:44:35.049 --> 00:44:37.049
That'll be coming to you in a couple weeks.

00:44:37.689 --> 00:44:38.089
Yeah.

00:44:38.329 --> 00:44:41.289
Anyways, um, check out Dark Side of Music.

00:44:41.369 --> 00:44:47.289
Yes, we did we did an entire episode um about Kurt Cobain last week, actually.

00:44:47.689 --> 00:44:52.169
And and this was before the news, or yes, unfortunately, it was before the news.

00:44:52.409 --> 00:44:53.129
That's wild.

00:44:53.529 --> 00:45:06.089
So we just covered the entire story front to back recently, and when the news came out, I I texted my my co-host and I said, Hey, I think the FBI listened to our episode.

00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:11.289
I was because it was the next day that it came, it came out, and then the next day that news broke.

00:45:11.609 --> 00:45:13.369
You flagged something in the system.

00:45:13.689 --> 00:45:30.649
So on the show, spoiler alert, on the show, uh, we discussed how it was an impossibility for him to hold the shotgun during uh the event, that that it just was it everything just was adding up and it just didn't seem possible.

00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:55.129
Um, he had the receipts to the weapon and ammunition in his pocket, which insinuated that he purchased the weapon on the way home, uh, but there were no fingerprints on the weapon, and that was another big one that we talked about for a little bit of how how is it possible that you carried it for miles and no fingerprints?

00:45:55.289 --> 00:45:57.369
So that makes zero sense.

00:45:57.609 --> 00:45:58.569
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:00.409
It's it's gonna be interesting.

00:46:00.569 --> 00:46:02.809
There's a whole there's a whole guy's gonna hire you.

00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:03.609
Have you gotten any?

00:46:03.929 --> 00:46:04.569
I hope not.

00:46:04.730 --> 00:46:05.449
I hope not.

00:46:05.609 --> 00:46:07.049
That would be awful.

00:46:07.369 --> 00:46:10.489
I have zero credentials.

00:46:10.649 --> 00:46:14.250
You're like, listen, FBI, I got podcasts to do, so can we work around?

00:46:14.489 --> 00:46:17.449
Yeah, well, you're you're a little busy, it can be a little tracking.

00:46:19.849 --> 00:46:22.009
Um, all right, so sorry, go ahead.

00:46:22.169 --> 00:46:23.210
Oh no, go ahead, go ahead.

00:46:23.289 --> 00:46:28.889
I was gonna say, like, if they did listen, they're like, ah, you know, he might be on or something.

00:46:29.529 --> 00:46:35.689
It's it's like that movie, the the movie Rockstar, but I get I get pulled over to the FBI instead.

00:46:37.289 --> 00:46:37.769
Yeah.

00:46:38.009 --> 00:46:42.730
Uh you never know when you started a true crime podcast that yeah, yeah.

00:46:45.689 --> 00:46:47.049
All right, Taylor.

00:46:47.529 --> 00:46:50.089
Yeah, bumping uglies.

00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:53.449
Is that a song or a euphemism?

00:46:54.009 --> 00:46:55.609
I hope it's a song.

00:46:55.929 --> 00:46:57.210
You hope it's a song?

00:46:57.609 --> 00:47:00.009
That's a yeah, I hope it's a song.

00:47:00.329 --> 00:47:03.369
The answer is wrong.

00:47:03.449 --> 00:47:04.649
It's a euphemism.

00:47:05.449 --> 00:47:07.210
I don't want it explained to me.

00:47:07.529 --> 00:47:08.409
Oh, that's all right.

00:47:08.649 --> 00:47:12.329
Yeah, I'm not gonna explain, I'm not gonna explain to my little sister any of these.

00:47:12.730 --> 00:47:13.769
That's good.

00:47:14.569 --> 00:47:15.049
That's indirect.

00:47:15.689 --> 00:47:17.769
You can listen to vacation sex and figure it out.

00:47:18.089 --> 00:47:19.929
Got it, got it, got it, got it.

00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:27.689
At the time when I when I decided this was the game we were gonna do, yeah, Chris was gonna be on the show, not you.

00:47:28.089 --> 00:47:31.929
Oh, so wow, live in hardly hates me.

00:47:32.009 --> 00:47:33.449
That's crazy.

00:47:33.689 --> 00:47:36.250
Explain thought it was gonna be a guy's night.

00:47:36.409 --> 00:47:37.129
Sorry.

00:47:37.929 --> 00:47:39.929
Sorry, guys, my bad.

00:47:40.089 --> 00:47:42.250
Um Adam.

00:47:43.449 --> 00:47:47.129
Coming in at number three, the question is slow ride.

00:47:47.529 --> 00:47:49.289
Yeah, of course.

00:47:50.169 --> 00:47:51.369
Take it easy.

00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:57.689
I feel like I feel like the way this is is Taylor's gonna get all of the all of the euphemisms.

00:47:58.169 --> 00:48:00.169
Knowing you, I know it's a pattern.

00:48:00.889 --> 00:48:02.009
It's not, it's not.

00:48:02.169 --> 00:48:10.409
I I had yeah, I I typed them, uh speaking of using AI, I typed them all into chat GPT and had it randomize them for me and spit it.

00:48:10.809 --> 00:48:17.689
You can you can you can literally do that through Excel to randomize that?

00:48:17.929 --> 00:48:18.329
I didn't know that.

00:48:18.569 --> 00:48:22.089
And you're not going to be ruining our resources by using AI.

00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:23.769
We'll talk about this later.

00:48:25.609 --> 00:48:30.329
All right, so Taylor, Netflix and Jill, euphanism.

00:48:30.889 --> 00:48:32.409
Yes, that is correct.

00:48:32.569 --> 00:48:34.969
So it's that's that's my day and age.

00:48:35.210 --> 00:48:36.809
It is two to one right now.

00:48:38.329 --> 00:48:40.409
This one's interesting, Adam.

00:48:41.609 --> 00:48:48.969
The stroke, yeah, Billy, Billy Squire, Squire.

00:48:49.129 --> 00:48:51.449
I almost said idol, and I knew that was right.

00:48:52.089 --> 00:48:52.969
I'm like, why am I saying that?

00:48:53.049 --> 00:48:53.609
I know better.

00:48:53.929 --> 00:48:54.569
Billy Squire.

00:48:54.969 --> 00:48:56.329
Billy Eyelash.

00:48:58.089 --> 00:49:06.169
All right, Taylor, rolling in the hay, euphemism.

00:49:06.809 --> 00:49:07.929
Yes, all right.

00:49:08.009 --> 00:49:09.609
Now we're now we're getting somewhere.

00:49:09.929 --> 00:49:10.409
Makes sense.

00:49:10.489 --> 00:49:11.929
That one makes sense.

00:49:12.250 --> 00:49:15.929
Um, Adam, big balls.

00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:18.969
Weird thing to say in the same sentence.

00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:25.449
There's big balls, got to big balls, but we got the biggest balls, Taylor.

00:49:25.529 --> 00:49:26.329
Have you ever heard that song?

00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:29.769
No, no, oh, it's great, it's a great song.

00:49:29.929 --> 00:49:30.889
ACBC.

00:49:31.210 --> 00:49:35.210
Was that was that on the album with Dirty Deeds?

00:49:35.769 --> 00:49:36.409
I don't know.

00:49:36.489 --> 00:49:37.849
I don't know which one that was on.

00:49:38.169 --> 00:49:39.129
Me either.

00:49:39.449 --> 00:49:41.049
I'm gonna have to look that up later.

00:49:41.369 --> 00:49:44.569
Um, I have an observation I think it's really funny.

00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:48.329
Yes, you say Adam's name the same way that you're talking to your son.

00:49:49.129 --> 00:49:50.329
I know, I know.

00:49:50.569 --> 00:49:53.369
I'm trying, I'm trying not to.

00:49:53.849 --> 00:49:55.769
Taylor's the only one that could know that.

00:49:55.929 --> 00:49:58.329
So yeah, and I just pat me on the head.

00:49:58.569 --> 00:49:59.210
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:00.329 --> 00:50:03.369
Um here.

00:50:05.689 --> 00:50:07.609
Do you know how to count to 10 yet?

00:50:09.529 --> 00:50:10.489
No, just four.

00:50:10.569 --> 00:50:11.529
I'm a musician.

00:50:13.289 --> 00:50:14.489
Three on a good day.

00:50:15.849 --> 00:50:17.609
Anyhow, Taylor.

00:50:17.929 --> 00:50:20.329
Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.

00:50:20.649 --> 00:50:21.210
What?

00:50:21.449 --> 00:50:23.449
Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.

00:50:23.849 --> 00:50:24.649
Euphemism.

00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:26.089
Ain't never gonna happen.

00:50:26.889 --> 00:50:27.529
Yes.

00:50:28.009 --> 00:50:30.969
Guys, I got that one, and it was recorded, my friends.

00:50:31.369 --> 00:50:33.769
I'm gonna try and say this differently now.

00:50:34.409 --> 00:50:35.049
Adam.

00:50:36.169 --> 00:50:36.730
Adam.

00:50:38.089 --> 00:50:40.489
Dropping the kids off at the pool.

00:50:41.210 --> 00:50:46.329
Man, if somebody ever wrote that a song with that title, it'd be great, but of course it's uh it's a saying.

00:50:46.569 --> 00:50:48.649
It is in fact a saying.

00:50:49.369 --> 00:50:51.529
Um Taylor.

00:50:51.849 --> 00:50:54.009
Yeah, afternoon delight.

00:50:56.809 --> 00:50:58.169
It is a song.

00:50:58.809 --> 00:50:59.929
I know that one.

00:51:01.369 --> 00:51:02.009
Adam.

00:51:03.609 --> 00:51:06.969
Dancing the horizontal mambo.

00:51:10.169 --> 00:51:21.689
A euphemism, it is technically, technically, it is because the song is just called Horizontal Mambo by the incredible Here Come the Mummies.

00:51:21.849 --> 00:51:22.649
Fantastic band.

00:51:23.129 --> 00:51:23.689
Oh, cool.

00:51:23.929 --> 00:51:29.210
Uh but dancing is not the song.

00:51:29.609 --> 00:51:31.929
Oh, Adam, you would love Here Come the Mummies.

00:51:32.089 --> 00:51:32.329
Oh, yeah.

00:51:32.569 --> 00:51:34.329
Do you love euphemisms?

00:51:35.049 --> 00:51:35.849
Oh yeah.

00:51:36.089 --> 00:51:39.849
Are those the guys that have Cowbill belts on the case?

00:51:40.009 --> 00:51:40.250
Yes.

00:51:40.649 --> 00:51:40.889
Yep.

00:51:42.009 --> 00:51:42.730
That's them.

00:51:43.210 --> 00:51:45.609
Somebody told me about that and thought it was just amazing.

00:51:45.929 --> 00:51:48.089
They're they're incredible in concert.

00:51:48.169 --> 00:51:50.409
It's it's a experience.

00:51:51.049 --> 00:51:53.049
Um Taylor.

00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:55.769
Oh no, I'm sorry, Adam.

00:51:56.969 --> 00:51:57.769
Push it.

00:51:58.489 --> 00:51:59.609
Yeah, salt and paper.

00:52:00.409 --> 00:52:01.129
Push it.

00:52:01.529 --> 00:52:02.489
There we go.

00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:07.210
Taylor.

00:52:07.529 --> 00:52:07.849
Yes.

00:52:08.649 --> 00:52:09.609
She bop.

00:52:10.649 --> 00:52:12.569
Now we're getting to the hard ones.

00:52:15.449 --> 00:52:17.049
Is that not what that song's called?

00:52:17.289 --> 00:52:17.769
Nope.

00:52:20.169 --> 00:52:20.649
I got it.

00:52:20.730 --> 00:52:22.329
I'm gonna go euphemism.

00:52:23.289 --> 00:52:25.129
No, it is not.

00:52:25.769 --> 00:52:27.129
It is a song.

00:52:29.529 --> 00:52:32.889
Um, Adam, getting some strange.

00:52:36.329 --> 00:52:37.849
I mean, it is a euphemism.

00:52:38.569 --> 00:52:40.569
Somebody should also make a song out of that one.

00:52:41.529 --> 00:52:42.889
It is a euphemism.

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:43.529
Yeah.

00:52:44.169 --> 00:52:44.649
All right.

00:52:44.809 --> 00:52:49.609
Coming on, coming on to the to the ending uh, I think 10.

00:52:50.089 --> 00:52:51.289
Um Taylor.

00:52:51.529 --> 00:52:51.689
Okay.

00:52:52.250 --> 00:52:54.969
Oh, let's let's do a point recap real quick.

00:52:55.210 --> 00:52:58.250
Uh one, two, three.

00:52:58.730 --> 00:52:59.849
Oh, you've been counting.

00:53:02.329 --> 00:53:10.169
So we are Adam is at eleven and Taylor is at seven.

00:53:11.210 --> 00:53:13.129
So it's anybody's game.

00:53:13.529 --> 00:53:13.849
Okay.

00:53:14.489 --> 00:53:16.809
Adam, you know what six seven is, right?

00:53:17.529 --> 00:53:18.569
Six seven?

00:53:20.569 --> 00:53:22.329
Um do you know the meme?

00:53:23.049 --> 00:53:26.329
No, uh, I'm interpreting that in a dirty way.

00:53:26.409 --> 00:53:26.730
I don't know.

00:53:27.210 --> 00:53:28.489
No, no, no.

00:53:28.889 --> 00:53:38.889
Anytime you hear the word six seven from now on, you have to go, six seven do that's that's you you have to.

00:53:39.049 --> 00:53:46.409
It's all of all of his friends with children are gonna all of his friends with children are gonna be pissed.

00:53:46.969 --> 00:53:47.929
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:48.089 --> 00:53:50.969
If you want to ruffle some feathers, it's a new kid thing, man.

00:53:51.129 --> 00:53:56.169
It's it's it's a video of some kid just going six seven, and it's really funny.

00:53:56.329 --> 00:53:58.489
We mean it's not funny, yeah.

00:53:59.529 --> 00:54:06.329
All right, Taylor, yeah, sledgehammer song.

00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:09.369
It is a song, it is a song.

00:54:09.529 --> 00:54:11.609
I thought for sure you would get that one wrong.

00:54:11.849 --> 00:54:15.369
I I don't know how old Taylor is, but do you know the song?

00:54:15.849 --> 00:54:18.409
No chance, not a chance.

00:54:18.649 --> 00:54:21.449
Oh, you must listen to this song and see the video.

00:54:21.689 --> 00:54:24.250
Okay, Taylor is you're what 24?

00:54:24.730 --> 00:54:27.769
I am, and I am 31.

00:54:28.169 --> 00:54:31.449
I also know nothing about music at all.

00:54:31.769 --> 00:54:36.089
Like, if you start naming songs, if if you play it, I'm like, yeah, I know it.

00:54:36.569 --> 00:54:37.849
You give me a song name.

00:54:39.449 --> 00:54:42.730
She is, I would say, like a pop.

00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:44.329
She loves pop music, yeah.

00:54:44.649 --> 00:54:45.769
Pop and RB.

00:54:45.929 --> 00:54:46.649
Yeah, yeah.

00:54:46.809 --> 00:54:47.529
Those are my go-to.

00:54:47.929 --> 00:54:53.449
Sledgehammer was unavoidable in the 80s in the video song.

00:54:53.849 --> 00:54:57.210
Had a lot to do with that, and uh, yeah, it's just a cool freaking song.

00:54:57.289 --> 00:54:59.449
So yeah, I'll have to check it out.

00:55:00.809 --> 00:55:04.569
Adam, visiting the porcelain throne.

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:08.649
Okay, now that definitely is a euphemism.

00:55:08.809 --> 00:55:12.169
I don't know if it's a song, so I'm just gonna go with euphemism.

00:55:12.329 --> 00:55:14.250
Yes, it is a euphemism.

00:55:14.489 --> 00:55:17.049
Uh, again, should be a song, though.

00:55:17.129 --> 00:55:18.809
Somebody should definitely yeah, you're kidding me.

00:55:18.889 --> 00:55:20.329
Great pseudo cowboys title.

00:55:20.969 --> 00:55:24.329
Like that's a that's a great Iron Maiden tune right there.

00:55:24.649 --> 00:55:29.049
Yeah, Taylor Milkshake.

00:55:29.849 --> 00:55:34.089
Well, milkshake brings all the voice to the uh and they're like, it's better than yours.

00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:35.769
Of course that's a song.

00:55:37.129 --> 00:55:40.489
You guys should do a cover of Milkshake, that would be great.

00:55:40.809 --> 00:55:42.649
That would be so fun.

00:55:45.609 --> 00:55:48.489
Um okay, all right.

00:55:48.730 --> 00:55:57.210
So that puts Taylor at 789, and you are at 12.

00:55:57.449 --> 00:55:58.089
All right.

00:55:58.409 --> 00:56:01.049
Parking the beef bus, Adam.

00:56:04.569 --> 00:56:08.250
Um, I'm just gonna for fun, you say that's a song.

00:56:08.569 --> 00:56:10.169
It is, it is not a song.

00:56:10.809 --> 00:56:17.129
I imagine it was also what a what a wild saying.

00:56:17.210 --> 00:56:21.369
When I was looking these up, I was like, that's crazy.

00:56:22.089 --> 00:56:25.369
To me, that sounded like it could be like an EDM track.

00:56:25.609 --> 00:56:27.769
Yes, yeah, absolutely.

00:56:28.329 --> 00:56:30.809
Um, but unfortunately it's not.

00:56:30.969 --> 00:56:40.489
And also when you when you look these phrases up, if if you're doing it at home, if you look these phrases up, they give descriptions, and that's all I'm gonna say.

00:56:40.809 --> 00:56:41.449
Oh, okay.

00:56:41.609 --> 00:56:42.089
All right.

00:56:42.969 --> 00:56:46.809
Uh Taylor, yeah, let's get it on.

00:56:50.009 --> 00:56:53.769
That is a song, and I believe it is by Marvin Gay.

00:56:54.409 --> 00:56:55.049
It is.

00:56:55.449 --> 00:56:56.169
There you go.

00:56:56.409 --> 00:56:57.129
There you go.

00:56:57.210 --> 00:56:57.929
Look at that.

00:56:58.089 --> 00:56:59.289
Do you want to know how I know that?

00:57:00.169 --> 00:57:07.689
From the let's uh the Marvin Gay song with uh uh what's her name, Megan Trainer and Charlie Pooth.

00:57:07.769 --> 00:57:08.329
Charlie Pooth.

00:57:08.489 --> 00:57:10.250
Let's Marvin Gay and get it on.

00:57:10.649 --> 00:57:11.449
Yep, yep, yep.

00:57:11.609 --> 00:57:12.250
I knew it.

00:57:13.609 --> 00:57:14.329
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:14.649 --> 00:57:17.769
So because I missed the last question, I lost all my points.

00:57:18.009 --> 00:57:18.809
Taylor wins.

00:57:20.489 --> 00:57:22.009
Almost, almost.

00:57:22.250 --> 00:57:24.569
Um, but you guys are neck and neck now.

00:57:24.730 --> 00:57:26.969
It is 10 to 12.

00:57:27.449 --> 00:57:30.009
Um we have two more.

00:57:30.489 --> 00:57:33.369
Seeing a man about a horse, Adam.

00:57:33.529 --> 00:57:34.809
Seeing a man about a horse.

00:57:35.129 --> 00:57:36.730
That's definitely a euphemism.

00:57:37.609 --> 00:57:40.250
That is definitely a euphemism.

00:57:41.369 --> 00:57:43.129
Can you say it one more time for me?

00:57:43.609 --> 00:57:46.009
Seeing a man about a horse.

00:57:48.169 --> 00:57:51.689
Which also I think it, I think it was in a movie as well.

00:57:52.489 --> 00:57:54.569
I can't remember which movie.

00:57:58.089 --> 00:57:59.369
Something like that, yeah.

00:58:00.009 --> 00:58:02.009
Uh last one, Taylor.

00:58:02.489 --> 00:58:03.449
Wait, can I guess?

00:58:03.609 --> 00:58:08.329
Can I guess please say it's Sable Horse Ride a Cowboy?

00:58:08.809 --> 00:58:11.449
Or or please say it's London Bridge.

00:58:11.929 --> 00:58:12.889
It is not.

00:58:14.089 --> 00:58:16.409
It is hard to handle.

00:58:20.730 --> 00:58:22.489
I'm gonna go euthanism.

00:58:23.529 --> 00:58:26.649
It is not, it is a song.

00:58:27.769 --> 00:58:30.809
No, well, I guess we're both at zero.

00:58:31.049 --> 00:58:36.329
I was gonna say, Adam runs away with the win on that one just barely.

00:58:36.409 --> 00:58:38.809
That was that was a good game, guys.

00:58:40.809 --> 00:58:42.169
Oh man winners here.

00:58:43.369 --> 00:58:45.049
That's right, that's right.

00:58:46.009 --> 00:58:54.009
Adam, please tell the people where they can find you, where to access your stuff, and if you guys are doing any dates.

00:58:55.210 --> 00:59:00.649
Yeah, so for a laugh, watch our YouTube videos the at the pseudo cowboys YouTube channel.

00:59:00.730 --> 00:59:03.049
I guarantee there's something there to make you laugh.

00:59:03.210 --> 00:59:10.169
If you like vacation sex, if you're down with uh 80s action heroes, that's the place to be.

00:59:10.329 --> 00:59:13.369
And then, of course, you can follow us on Instagram at the pseudo cowboys.

00:59:13.449 --> 00:59:23.049
And uh check out our Patreon if anybody out there wants to support a hardworking, independent group that makes their own content and has fun with their super fan base.

00:59:23.369 --> 00:59:28.489
Like patreon.com slash the sudo cowboys is where you can support us and be a part of that community.

00:59:28.649 --> 00:59:30.329
It's actually pretty worldwide, believe it or not.

00:59:30.489 --> 00:59:33.049
So I believe some cool people.

00:59:33.449 --> 00:59:36.969
Sometimes these people meet up and go see concerts, it's really it's pretty cool.

00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:38.730
I I will be joining it.

00:59:38.889 --> 00:59:40.009
I will be joining it.

00:59:40.169 --> 00:59:42.089
Um I check it out for free.

00:59:42.250 --> 00:59:45.289
Yeah, I did see uh I've never done Patreon before.

00:59:45.369 --> 00:59:46.489
You'll be my first one.

00:59:46.649 --> 00:59:47.449
Um cool.

00:59:48.169 --> 00:59:48.730
Romantic.

00:59:49.129 --> 00:59:53.609
I've been posting some baby tips on there because you know, right now I can't do much music.

00:59:53.769 --> 00:59:54.250
Right.

00:59:54.409 --> 00:59:58.250
So you'll have to see if you agree with some of my my dad hacks.

00:59:59.849 --> 01:00:01.689
We try anything, don't we?

01:00:02.250 --> 01:00:03.289
Well, actually, you know what?

01:00:03.449 --> 01:00:07.129
Speaking of Patreon, we also have a Patreon, I just never talk about it.

01:00:07.289 --> 01:00:08.089
Is that right?

01:00:08.569 --> 01:00:08.969
You do?

01:00:09.129 --> 01:00:10.969
Okay, yeah, I'll join it.

01:00:11.210 --> 01:00:16.969
Okay, I I signed up for Patreon a long time ago and then forgot about it.

01:00:17.129 --> 01:00:19.929
Uh we should probably we should probably be promoting that, Taylor.

01:00:20.089 --> 01:00:20.889
Absolutely.

01:00:21.210 --> 01:00:22.889
Oh guys, I forgot.

01:00:23.210 --> 01:00:28.730
Oh no, well, you know, the difficult thing is if I can take a little bit more time, is explaining this to people.

01:00:29.049 --> 01:00:39.609
Um, yeah, you know, so for those listening, it's like basically a super fan club where you can choose to kick in money monthly and it helps people get to do what they're trying to do.

01:00:39.849 --> 01:00:48.809
And uh as a result, you get benefits, but really it's more just um belonging to something that you want to see stay alive, and it and it really, really helps.

01:00:48.969 --> 01:00:49.529
It really helps.

01:00:49.609 --> 01:00:53.210
So if you support this podcast, do it.

01:00:53.449 --> 01:00:54.809
Yeah, thanks, man.

01:00:55.049 --> 01:00:58.649
Um we I I do put stuff up over there.

01:00:58.730 --> 01:01:03.210
Uh we try and put um playlists of all the artists that we have on the show.

01:01:03.369 --> 01:01:11.210
Um, we have cooking playlists on there for any of you chefs out there that have liked our our cooking channel that we do on YouTube.

01:01:11.609 --> 01:01:17.849
Um, we try and put together cooking playlists for the recipes that we're cooking over there.

01:01:18.089 --> 01:01:20.809
Um, and I'm gonna start doing vlogs now.

01:01:21.769 --> 01:01:22.730
Oh, there you go.

01:01:22.809 --> 01:01:23.609
That's breaking news.

01:01:23.769 --> 01:01:24.809
Yeah, breaking news.

01:01:25.049 --> 01:01:25.210
Cool.

01:01:25.289 --> 01:01:32.569
Yeah, I think we can even collaborate there if you if you yeah, I think there is a way to link what we're doing.

01:01:32.649 --> 01:01:33.449
So we'll we'll do that.

01:01:33.529 --> 01:01:36.569
We'll join each other's and heck yeah, experiment with that.

01:01:36.649 --> 01:01:37.609
You know, there we go.

01:01:37.689 --> 01:01:40.250
Yeah, whoa.

01:01:41.129 --> 01:01:43.529
Um, so it is fun sometimes.

01:01:44.169 --> 01:01:47.769
The pseudo cowboys, the pseudo cowboys is the band Adam.

01:01:48.169 --> 01:01:49.689
Thank you so much for being on the show.

01:01:50.009 --> 01:01:50.250
Thank you.

01:01:50.489 --> 01:02:01.369
Um, I just want to pull this up real quick because I want to shout out a specific song uh that I did not talk about.

01:02:01.449 --> 01:02:03.369
Um, and I apologize.

01:02:03.529 --> 01:02:15.529
Um, I'm a terrible host, but there there was a specific song that I wanted to tell the audience to listen to because I really, really enjoyed it.

01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:19.449
Dirty Penny.

01:02:19.849 --> 01:02:25.049
I am so sorry, I forgot to bring that up in the interview, but I really love Dirty Penny.

01:02:25.210 --> 01:02:27.289
Um yeah, yeah, man.

01:02:27.449 --> 01:02:32.569
I thought that was such a really cool like song, and I just what did you what did you interpret from that?

01:02:32.649 --> 01:02:34.250
That's what I'm really interested in.

01:02:36.169 --> 01:02:48.089
Interpret not much per se, but the guitar as a guitar player, yeah, I really love the guitar riff in that song.

01:02:48.409 --> 01:02:50.009
Fun, okay, cool.

01:02:50.250 --> 01:02:57.210
Yeah, um, no, I I was much more focused on interpreting your newer stuff because I wanted to make sure I covered all of that.

01:02:57.369 --> 01:02:58.809
Yeah, that's kind of you.

01:02:59.210 --> 01:03:03.210
Yeah, I really, really love the the just the orchestration of the song.

01:03:03.369 --> 01:03:07.609
So well, if anybody has a stalker, then that song might ring true for you.

01:03:08.969 --> 01:03:11.049
I'm gonna have to go listen to it now.

01:03:11.369 --> 01:03:12.489
A stalker.

01:03:14.250 --> 01:03:15.609
Oh, that's funny.

01:03:15.929 --> 01:03:18.250
Adam, thank you so much for being on the show, man.

01:03:18.329 --> 01:03:19.449
I really appreciate it.

01:03:19.689 --> 01:03:20.649
Yeah, thanks, y'all.

01:03:20.889 --> 01:03:21.210
You're amazing.

01:03:21.929 --> 01:03:25.049
Yeah, you're welcome to each other anytime you know anytime.

01:03:25.289 --> 01:03:26.329
Keep making stuff.

01:03:26.489 --> 01:03:26.889
Absolutely.

01:03:27.049 --> 01:03:30.009
And if you're ever in the Virginia area, you're not far, man.

01:03:30.089 --> 01:03:31.849
I I would love to come out and see you guys.

01:03:32.089 --> 01:03:33.289
What part of Virginia again?

01:03:33.529 --> 01:03:34.969
Uh, Virginia Beach area.

01:03:35.210 --> 01:03:36.089
Oh, okay, cool.

01:03:36.169 --> 01:03:36.730
Right on.

01:03:37.210 --> 01:03:39.609
Well, I hope we get to go up there and play soon.

01:03:39.689 --> 01:03:41.129
So, yeah, we'll see what happens.

01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:42.009
Absolutely.

01:03:42.329 --> 01:03:46.169
Hey, you and Laura Nicole, you and Laura Nicole could come.

01:03:46.250 --> 01:03:51.049
Yeah, uh, we are doing some shows together this summer, so maybe we can scoot up there.

01:03:51.289 --> 01:03:52.409
Yeah, heck yeah.

01:03:52.809 --> 01:03:53.529
It's a good team.

01:03:54.889 --> 01:03:55.689
All right, man.

01:03:55.769 --> 01:03:57.049
Well, thank you again.

01:03:57.289 --> 01:03:58.089
Thanks, guys.

01:03:58.329 --> 01:03:59.129
So much fun.

01:03:59.449 --> 01:04:00.169
Have a great day.

01:04:00.250 --> 01:04:01.449
Enjoy that, baby.

01:04:01.769 --> 01:04:02.409
Yes.

01:04:03.849 --> 01:04:08.089
Tell tell your wife you're gonna be on for another like hour or so and just kick back.

01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:09.849
Yeah, and just hang out on your phone or something.

01:04:10.169 --> 01:04:11.289
I'll send her a text.

01:04:13.929 --> 01:04:14.569
Yeah.

01:04:16.169 --> 01:04:16.889
All right, man.

01:04:16.969 --> 01:04:17.769
Have a great night.

01:04:18.009 --> 01:04:18.809
All right, you too.

01:04:24.329 --> 01:04:28.089
All right, that's a bad from the pseudo cowboys, everybody.

01:04:28.969 --> 01:04:33.769
Is everything that I want to encomp encompass?

01:04:34.009 --> 01:04:34.489
Encompass?

01:04:34.569 --> 01:04:35.369
Is that the right word?

01:04:35.689 --> 01:04:37.210
Encompass as a human.

01:04:38.329 --> 01:04:39.449
That's why I think so.

01:04:39.769 --> 01:04:39.929
That's right.

01:04:40.809 --> 01:04:42.489
That's right, that's right, that's right.

01:04:43.689 --> 01:04:47.769
Anywho, um Chris was not able to join the show.

01:04:47.849 --> 01:04:59.210
Unfortunately, he is having some tech issues, however, um, however, he sends his regards and uh misses being on the show and misses everybody.

01:04:59.449 --> 01:05:01.289
Um he's gonna listen to this.

01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:03.369
So, Chris, we're sorry that you weren't here.

01:05:03.849 --> 01:05:04.329
We miss you.

01:05:05.129 --> 01:05:05.609
Love you.

01:05:05.929 --> 01:05:08.489
There don't stress about it.

01:05:08.569 --> 01:05:10.649
There will be plenty of other shows to be on.

01:05:10.730 --> 01:05:11.849
Uh, but this was a great one.

01:05:11.929 --> 01:05:16.329
I really love Adam and uh truly I really do love the pseudo cowboys.

01:05:16.409 --> 01:05:17.929
I think they're so fun.

01:05:18.329 --> 01:05:20.730
Um they sound incredible.

01:05:20.969 --> 01:05:22.730
The music is fantastic.

01:05:22.889 --> 01:05:26.329
Uh, so please go check them out, download their stuff.

01:05:26.569 --> 01:05:29.609
Um, they're their videos are so funny.

01:05:29.689 --> 01:05:35.129
Uh like we didn't dive funny, we didn't dive a lot into the music video because I wanted to get to the game.

01:05:35.369 --> 01:05:42.809
Uh yeah, but there's a part in the music video where they're like going through the the store and he's got the shopping cart.

01:05:43.129 --> 01:05:46.730
I watched it, yeah, and he's like exploring the stuff and doing the dance.

01:05:47.289 --> 01:05:48.329
He's like, yeah.

01:05:49.369 --> 01:05:50.730
Racks me up, man.

01:05:51.129 --> 01:05:51.529
All right.

01:05:51.689 --> 01:05:52.569
They're great.

01:05:52.889 --> 01:05:55.449
Uh I guess go check out our Patreon.

01:05:55.609 --> 01:05:59.529
Uh go check out our website, check out our merch store.

01:05:59.689 --> 01:06:08.169
But more important than any of that, please like and subscribe on the YouTube page and give us a follow over on the Instagram.

01:06:08.329 --> 01:06:09.369
Really helps us out.

01:06:09.529 --> 01:06:11.529
That's how we got the pseudo cowboys on.

01:06:11.609 --> 01:06:18.250
So if you want more fun interviews like that and you want to keep the the interviews rolling and keep them coming, that helps.

01:06:18.649 --> 01:06:20.409
Do you want to hear something really funny?

01:06:20.489 --> 01:06:21.769
This is for everyone listening too.

01:06:21.849 --> 01:06:29.129
So Harley sends out like a like a doc that we look at, which by the way, if you care, I Did look at anywho.

01:06:29.449 --> 01:06:39.049
So he sends out this doc, but I got the notification for the um stream yard before I looked at the dock.

01:06:39.210 --> 01:06:44.089
And it's when we were talking about doing the show, just the quick show, the two of us.

01:06:44.250 --> 01:06:46.569
And I thought you named it the pseudo cowboys.

01:06:46.649 --> 01:06:48.730
And I was like, that's an interesting take.

01:06:48.969 --> 01:06:50.009
I'm here for it.

01:06:50.169 --> 01:06:52.089
Let's see if the train goes.

01:06:52.649 --> 01:06:54.730
This makes a lot more sense.

01:06:56.569 --> 01:06:57.449
Anywho.

01:06:58.809 --> 01:07:05.289
Um, no, they're they're awesome, and uh, like I said, I really, really enjoy their music.

01:07:05.609 --> 01:07:08.649
Um, so please go check them out, guys.

01:07:08.809 --> 01:07:10.569
Thanks for hanging out with us.

01:07:10.809 --> 01:07:17.529
This has been another episode of the Hook and Bridge Podcast, your number one music podcast.

01:07:18.009 --> 01:07:18.969
Tell everybody.

01:07:19.129 --> 01:07:20.730
Now, I I guess that's another thing.

01:07:20.889 --> 01:07:22.489
Sorry, I know I'm taking forever.

01:07:22.649 --> 01:07:42.649
That's another thing I should be saying to the audience is if you're not gonna like and subscribe, if you're not gonna follow the Instagram, and you're just a happy listener, something that you could do that also really just helps us out is tell your friends, tell everybody, tell everybody that you love the show and have them check us out.

01:07:43.529 --> 01:07:47.929
All right, it has been real, everybody, and peace.

01:07:49.769 --> 01:07:53.529
Thanks for listening to the Lincoln Bridge Podcast.