April 5, 2026
How X Bird X Builds A Music World With Comics, Videos, And Social Commentary
Send in your music story! You can hear it in Bird’s answers right away: he isn’t trying to “drop a message” and walk off. He’s building a whole world. We sit down with X Bird X to unpack how his background in fine art, comics, and DIY creativity feeds into an album rollout that includes music videos, a comic adaptation, and songs that tackle social issues without turning into a sermon. We dig into AI in music and AI-generated art from a working-artist perspective. Where is the line between a...
You can hear it in Bird’s answers right away: he isn’t trying to “drop a message” and walk off. He’s building a whole world. We sit down with X Bird X to unpack how his background in fine art, comics, and DIY creativity feeds into an album rollout that includes music videos, a comic adaptation, and songs that tackle social issues without turning into a sermon.
We dig into AI in music and AI-generated art from a working-artist perspective. Where is the line between a helpful tool and a shortcut that replaces authorship? Bird explains how he uses AI for research and language, why he doesn’t hate it, and why he still draws a hard boundary around prompt-to-product “creation.” We also talk about the real economics of the modern record industry, when budgets make tools tempting and musicians end up paying for everything from videos to promotion.
Then we go track-specific: the satirical punch of “MAGA Girl,” the darker urgency of “Anthems For The End Times,” and the character sketch at the heart of “White Noise.” Bird also shares how producer Lydia Loveless and guitarist Todd May helped shape the album’s spacey ambience through layered guitars, pedals, and mood-first playing, plus what’s coming next with more videos and a follow-up album planned with John Agnello. And yes, we finish with an 80s and 90s trivia showdown.
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01:18 - Meet X Bird X
02:44 - Art School Roots And Early Creativity
06:04 - Turning An Album Into A Comic
08:19 - AI As A Creative Tool
15:19 - The Story Behind MAGA Girl
23:26 - Writing Protest Music In Dark Times
36:16 - Doing Your Part Without A Megaphone
44:06 - Dream Collaborations And The Replacements
49:26 - White Noise And Guitar Atmosphere
59:51 - New Videos And The Next Record
01:04:16 - 80s And 90s Trivia Showdown
01:13:26 - Wrap-Up And Ways To Support
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What is up, everybody?
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Welcome back to the show.
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I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host and little sister Taylor and a super special de uh super special guest.
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Um, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with the one and only X Bird X, also known as Bird.
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Uh Bird, how are you, sir?
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Great, how are you doing?
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Fantastic, man.
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So um, I really love the social messaging of the songs, and I don't want to dive directly into that, but there are some things that I would like to ask you um about a few of your songs.
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Um, but first, I would love to know where X Bird X comes from.
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Why do people call you Bird?
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Well, Bird is my last name, and the band name or performance entity, whatever you want to call it, is X-Bird X.
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And the reason I did that one, I just thought it looked cool from a logo standpoint.
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And then uh I was watching a film on uh uh Jean-Michel Baptiste, the artist, and it was about him and Andy Warhol, and they were doing a work, a piece of work together, and like anytime Warhol would paint something, then Baptiste would uh or yeah, would uh paint over the top of it.
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Or Basquier.
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What do I keep saying, Baptiste?
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Basquier.
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And Andy would be like, What are you doing?
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And um and he said when he marked over it or put it X, it would draw people's eye to his work, to Andy's work instead of his, because people aren't used to seeing that over uh you know a piece of artwork.
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So I thought, well, that'll uh create an opportunity for people to ask me about what it means, and then we can talk about that, and I'll give my little story.
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Um, it'll annoy people when they try to pronounce it.
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So so you full disclosure, you do not uh image-wise look like the guy to come on here and talk about uh fine art, let alone Andy Warhol.
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What's that guy look like?
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Yeah, uh not in a jean jacket, I can tell you that.
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That's my chambre.
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I love that, man.
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That's awesome.
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Um how how uh into art are you?
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Have you been into like art and and like uh museums and and things like that for a while?
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Oh yeah, I mean art my whole life.
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I uh graduated with uh a bachelor's in fine arts, um, and I grew pictures and comic books and characters from the time you know I was like seven, six or seven years old.
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And uh I've always been messing with stuff.
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Grandma always had like these styrofoam uh plates.
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They used to put like your you'd go to the grocery store and buy your pound of beef.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They'd put it on the styrofoam, she would collect those, and so she would have a closet full of these styrofoam plates, and I would cut them up and make figures and airplanes and you know, uh machine guns and all kinds of stuff out of it.
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So I've been always been on the little creative side, and then um, you know, music came into uh the picture in my teenage years, so um, you know, so I've always been painting or drawing or writing music, you know, at some you know, always in some uh phase of life.
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Uh Taylor and I are uh I would I would say artistic is a good I am an artiste, yeah.
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Yeah, I would say Taylor is more of an artiste than I.
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You're a creative, yes, yes.
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We both grew up drawing.
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Our father um is and or was a tattoo artist.
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He's still with us, yeah.
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He's just not a tattoo artist.
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Yeah, he's just retired, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Good, good.
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Um, but uh yeah, I think we both kind of grew up in that world of of drawing.
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Um, I'm more of an animator, I would say.
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Taylor's more of like a realism artist.
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Oh wow.
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Um, yeah, Taylor, correct me if I'm wrong.
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You you love drawing like sceneries and and uh uh animals and and things of that nature, where if you give me like any sort of a cartoon or comic book, that's I I too have written a handful of comic books in my day.
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Nice.
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Um however, not as successful as you, sir.
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Tell me a little bit about your comic book experience.
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Well, I mean, I I'm I don't know if we call it successful, but I've uh part of the uh idea for the album.
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Um this particular album, you know, I hadn't really uh done anything like this in previous albums under you know different uh band names and things, but this one I decided to have like a comic adaptation uh to go along with it.
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And this album I kind of brought every piece of my artistic creativity uh you know into this one into this one release.
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So uh, you know, I tied the comic book into it, uh, you know, videos into the album.
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Um so there's not a specific um like storyline from first song to last song, but there is kind of a a thematic tone throughout the record.
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And uh the I think the comic book more connects it all into a into a story.
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It doesn't uh it's not like stuck right to the lyrical content.
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Um it's it's kind of its own thing, but it uh uses a lot of the imagery and scenery from from the lyrics of the album.
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So so we're trying to do that.
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And then I actually I did a uh video uh Ayn Rands in Hell on Welfare.
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I made a a uh animated through AI video, um got online and basically taught myself how to do that, and not something I really want to do again.
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I'd probably rather pay somebody next time, but it was kind of like I start got started and I just had to see it through.
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So as somebody who's involved in uh uh the arts and and having a bachelor's in art, um how do you feel about AI and and how it has become uh a tool creatively?
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Uh you know, I I don't absolutely hate it.
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Um I th I think it in it's in just in the way that you use it, you know, it's um if you're not using it to create the whole piece of art itself, um you know, like sometimes I will I'll use it to ask, you know, questions or research uh something for me, or um, you know, what are where what are alternative words?
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I'm trying to write a you know lyrics and I can't find the right word and I can you know use it to help me think of uh you know words and images that you know might not be popping up in my vocabulary.
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So I think kind of in an administrative way, I can see it uh as a helpful tool, you know, and uh but you know, if if you're saying, okay, you know, create me a song, I I I want to write a song about uh my garbage can, write a song about my garbage can, then yeah, that's uh that's kind of where I would draw the line, you know.
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Um and I I can see though as people who are not creative, you know, how enticing that would be to be able to oh absolutely, you know, uh go go online and hey, I've got a song and I can put my name on it and now I'm a now I'm a singer-songwriter, or you know, yeah.
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Now I'm a visual artist.
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Do you feel that um that the art that is produced in that context belongs to the uh the person who put the input in the system or does it belong to the company who owns the the AI?
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Oh that's a good question.
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Um you know, I would say like the garbage can.
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I would say, hey, write me a song about garbage can.
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Um, you know, the the the the company producing it might have more claim to that, but if you have uh, you know, a sort of a vision of I want to write this song and here's the chorus, and um, you know, here's the verse and here's the structure I'm looking for, but I want piano and drums, and I want a uh just an acoustic guitar uh you know combined on there, and then the AI kind of creates the sound for you, and you complete the song lyrically, and you complete how you want the structure of it.
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Um, and then maybe you take that and go actually have human beings play the guitar, play the drums, you know, play the keys.
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Um, that's where I can see it, you know, being um being really the artist's or person's creation versus the the AI company.
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Right.
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But now but now if every you know if everything except you like I said, you come up with a theme and you just tell it to put it all together and then you release it like that.
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Um for me that would be, you know, that's you're not really putting too much uh artistic uh you know, there's not a lot of artistic input from you.
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True.
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So I so I also am a uh singer songwriter, and um I have always classified myself more along the lines of um alternative country or or like 90 soft rock, you know what I mean?
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More of like uh like a Matchbox 20 type, um, or like a like a Google Dolls, you know, that kind of lane.
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But I I've always loved pop punk music.
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And um I was going through some some heavy uh darker themes in my writing, and I wanted to write a pop punk album using using those uh lyrics that I came up with, and I didn't know how to.
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Like I've never been in that genre, I didn't really know how to start.
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So I I did use um Chat GPT to kind of outline like a structure chord-wise and and like uh instrumentation on like what what would you play in a pop punk song with these words, you know what I mean?
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Not not involving my lyrics and like not adjusting my lyrics, keeping the the integrity there.
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But right as a musician, not having that skill set, it was a tool for me to kind of be able to say, Oh, I never would have thought like that chord combination is what separates this from uh a metal song or whatever else, you know.
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So I agree.
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I I think that you can absolutely use these as creative tools, but there has to be some major discretion involved.
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You can't just well, I think it's it's also uh, you know, for your modern day record industry, it's a uh cost consideration.
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You know, you can't, in your case, you couldn't bring in musicians um who are more versed in the pop punk world and say, can you you know do a demonstration for me of you know what you guys might play to this and how you might play to it?
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You know, you could have back, you know, in the old days, they might bring in studio musicians and you know, you could run through the song that way, and you'd say, Okay, now I I kind of get the feel and how I need to uh arrange this thing, and you know, maybe maybe you keep what they created, or you just use that as a template, and then you and your band, or you go and create the final final product, but you can't afford to sit in a studio and hire studio musicians to say, Hey, what would this would this sound like country, or what does this sound like if it was industrial, or what if this was EDM, or you know, right?
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It's just one of those, I think it's definitely a necessary evil, um, especially for musicians, because everybody, everybody else makes money off of music except the musicians.
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I'm paying, I'm paying for my music videos to be made, I'm paying for my you know, photography, I'm I'm paying for the marketing or promotion, you know.
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So if I can, you know, save you know a few bucks by having chat GPT, you know, create some little you know, kind of generic demo of what my song might sound in a different genre, then yeah, I'm that's something I'd jump on as well.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, um, speaking of your music, uh, let's talk a little bit about um one song in particular that I'm sure you've been asked a million times, and I and I feel bad asking.
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Don't but um MAGA Girl.
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Yeah, tell me about that song and and the messaging behind it.
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The video is hilarious, by the way.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, we had a lot of fun making that.
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Um, so tell me a little bit about like the the messaging behind MAGA Girl.
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Well, you know, it it it came about a while back when um I think I think it was more in the first Trump administration where people were starting to uh face the fact that they had like family members that uh suddenly had a different uh you suddenly had a different view of them, you never knew about them, you know, you didn't know your grandparents felt this way or your crazy uncle or and you know sometimes you're like, okay, well, you know, I just gotta get through Thanksgiving, and uh they've they've all gone off the deep end.
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And so I thought, you know, how how tough that is to deal with for a family.
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And then, you know, at some point I went, I wonder what that'd be like if you were, you know, married to somebody or or dating somebody that you really didn't know their, you know, background that well or their you know particular political beliefs.
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And you know, if all of a sudden that became an issue, you know, how what would uh what would your reaction be to that?
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How would you deal with it?
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Um, you know, and just some of the some of the ways that people, you know, can suddenly suddenly change.
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We can be so in, you know, enamored by them or uh you know in love with them, and then you know, out of nowhere this other uh other uh person almost emerges, and you're like, oh God, now what do I do?
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So that was kind of the that was kind of the idea behind MAGA girl.
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You know, it eventually just became the guy uh you know in a early part of a relationship with a new girlfriend, and and uh suddenly her political views become uh well known, which you didn't know before.
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And you know, it's it's the guy trying to work his way through that and then realizing uh you know I I gotta get her out of my life.
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Right.
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The imagery is fantastic.
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If you're listening, check out that music video because like it starts off with you as uh as a news anchor, and then you you flash to these these scenes of um of the the quote unquote girlfriend uh in a in a quote unquote bright red hat uh screaming at the world, and then it snaps over to these pictures of her like in a sundress and like and you know hanging out with him, and then like all of these, like oh, we can have these fun moments, but behind the fun moment scenes, there's this this underlying darkness about this person that they're just like angry at the general public for no reason.
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So, like it's it's such perfect imagery for um for dealing with that situation.
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It's it was fantastically written, man.
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I really love that one.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, the the the the MAGA girl, uh a friend of ours, Jenny, she she uh embodied that so well uh in the video.
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And you know, she's uh totally opposite than the person who you know is in the video as the MAGA girl, but man, she just dove into it headlong and uh you know really kind of embodied the character more than I'd even imagined.
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And uh yeah, really helped to really help to give some uh energy and fun to the video.
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And you know, a lot of my songs that deal with some of the darker topics, a lot of times I'll try to uh do it in a satirical way or uh you know, a way that you can kind of poke fun at it, you know, versus um, you know, screaming I hate this and if this and that.
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And I I like to try to, you know, kind of be uh not submersive, what's the word I'm not submersive, not subliminal.
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Uh but anyway, I like to fly under the radar with kind of the message that I'm really talking about, and um, you know, and have people have to really kind of work and realize oh, he's really, even though the sound of it's real kind of upbeat, he's really talking about, you know, this social issue or um, so on a on a bit of a more darker serious note, um, your song, uh, I want to get this right here, Anthems for the End Times.
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Um, so that song, uh far more darker in tone and and sonically too, you have a completely different sound on that song.
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Uh, I compared it when I was listening to it, I compared it to uh Bruce Springsteen mixed with the killers.
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Um you have this very yeah, you have this very like Bruce Springsteen, like storyteller-driven kind of tonality and and cadence to the to the lyrics, but um vocally you you give and and unfortunately I cannot remember his name at the moment, but you give like this tonality very similar to the lead singer of the killers, uh specifically uh not not the mainstream killer songs, not your uh your Mr.
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Brightside or uh somebody told me, not those songs, but the other songs, um more along the lines of like the I'm not a soul or I Oh yeah something I got a soul.
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Yeah, I'm not a soldier, yeah.
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You know, that song.
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So but I'm not a soldier, yeah.
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Yes, yeah.
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He has this like almost like falsetto-y kind of sound to his vocals in that song.
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Right.
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And I think you have a lot of uh embodied a lot of that in this song in particular, but talk about a quite drastic, darker theme to kind of go over.
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Tell me a little bit about the messaging behind that song.
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Well, I mean, that that's the title song of the album, and um that was one of the first songs um that I kind of started out with um where I was in a a period of writing, um, you know, like a Picasso had a blue period.
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And you know, you can as a songwriter get into a period of writing where you're not, you know, you're not writing the same song over and over, but there's there's something either thematically or sonically or lyrically that uh kind of ties you know a particular batch of songs together.
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And that was kind of the start uh of the of the other songs, and you know, it was more um my thoughts on how in the past in past eras of music, um people, uh different artists uh stood up to you know uh oppose what was going on you know uh when it would came to you know the uh culture and the counter counterculture or war or corruption you know um social justice issues you know civil rights issues and you know you you think of the 60s and the folk movement and um and then I grew up uh you know mostly seeing um what was going on in the 80s with you know the live aid movement and you had you know uh do they know it's Christmas and you you know had all the uh USA for Africa um you know artists and songs and then you had also am Amnesty International concerts and you had you know U2 it was you know that was kind of their era so social justice was uh in protest music and you also you know had the clash and uh other bands like that in the punk movement that uh seemed to be there pushing back on uh what was going on in society and it just uh from a uh a musician standpoint when the Trump administration the first one started it was just it seemed like it was a ghost town like I was waiting for you know waiting for all the artists to stand up and come out with their albums and you know I figured I'd probably see Bob Dylan on a stage somewhere and and it was like crickets and uh so that's kind of what you know that first song was my feelings the the the darkness of the lyrics was how I was feeling about things and the lack of um the lack of any sort of uh artistry that uh was used in the past to kind of address those things and so like that you know the the there was lines you know no saviors standing in line was you know kind of my way of saying you know I don't see I don't see my heroes standing up you know musically um and uh you know it's all on the line meaning you know there was for a while there everybody kept going yeah it's bad but surely you know surely they won't do this and oh yeah that's bad but surely it won't get any worse and oh that you know he's just kidding about that he'd never do that and oh he did that but he you know it'll end soon and uh so that's you know that's where it kind of kicked off and then you know in other songs I like I said I addressed it more in a satirical way or humorous way or uh you know kind of sub subversive way.
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Um so there's there's different uh different ways I've addressed I've addressed those issues on different songs and uh you know tried to use different voices as far as um the instrumentation and how I sang the song you know it was really just kind of in the studio we had the the basis the kind of skeletons and then we just kind of uh decided what we wanted to do and if we heard a sound in the moment we liked we expanded upon that and so it's really trying to fit the the tone and the mood of of you know what the song was calling for versus going in with something that was already set in stone and you know going in hit it record it and we're done right right um so you are the first artist that we've had on that um honestly has a a very center focus to being a social justice person um and I don't know what that says about our show but when I when I read the kind of biography that they gave me I was like I I I have been at a point in time in my life recently where I find myself needing more of that in life and fee feeling uh a bit of a fear of discussing or talking about it not not on any side in particular in both both cases worrying about what I should and shouldn't say especially with my platform here and worrying about what someone may find offensive or or uh kind of tailoring my my language to come off as non-combative um however at this present time I the the the line is getting so blurry and things keep happening that I feel very very strongly about and I don't get to kind of speak out about it.
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Number one because of my my day-to-day job uh but also here we try to find uh that balance of this is supposed to be an escape for for people from that day to day and honestly I took uh this interview uh so serious because of the the messaging that you have in your music and and your outlook on everything and uh I just I really want you to know how appreciative that uh we are of you and your music and thank you people like you that are actually standing up for the injustices going on right now because a lot of us want to have a voice but we can't so we do truly rely on people like you to have those voices.
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Well thank you very much.
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I'm not crying you're crying yeah it I wouldn't you know I I just do what I know to do and that's you know with with music um and you know I'm not going out and going to homeless camps and you know saving homeless people or um you know I'm not in a picket line or anything like that.
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You know I just try to think of you know what what is my area uh that I can make an impact in and I try to use that area to uh you know do what I can.
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So it's like when I when I'm thinking about a song, you know I'm not I'm not particular I'm not think saying to people you have to go out and be in you know front of the march and have your sign and scream and go to jail and you know and all of those things.
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I think we can all do something with what we have as an individual person with our own talents our our own little piece of society we're in you know uh if it's just going and talking to some uh retirees at a at a you know at a nursing home or or something of that something of that nature you know those are the things that on a day-to-day basis can I think really change things um you know I I think um it's funny with the things that have gone on in the world I my um my mom at one point in time I can't remember exactly what was going on in the world but uh she basically said to me well you know if you remember like in the 60s we had people bombing buildings in protest and you know and we had assassination attempts all the time and and uh I was kind of like yeah I guess you know this was this was about five years ago and I was like well we haven't really got to that point yet so she's right it's you know we're not things aren't as quite as crazy as we might feel like it is or we're not quite to the edge we think we're at now now you know this is five years later right I feel like the I feel like the uh our hand is you know closer to midnight there but uh I still feel like you know we as people and as a country have you know gone through worse times um it's just something it's a new it's a it's a never from like within it's always been you know we've had challenges from outside forces and yeah uh you know and things like the Great Depression and but we've never quite had the issues coming from within our own uh with our own government and everything so um so I just think if everybody has a piece that they can can do you know it's like you don't have to like I said you don't have to uh be donating thousands of dollars you don't have to be in charge of uh you know a a union or something but you know everybody has a little piece that they can do and hopefully together all of that can make uh make a better culture for us and and a better you know society and but I did think uh sorry to rattle on but oh no you're good there was a time I always thought to myself how could the German people how allow Nazism how could they how could this happen you know the whole saying it yeah I was like it there's no I just there's just no way it could happen ever again you know there's just those people and it's like oh shit I see oops sorry oh no you're good i i see how it's happened now so you know that it's it that's the scary part I think right um is there an artist that if you had a chance to collaborate with um would be like your your top tier this is who I would want to work with um we asked this question based off of your music though so like not somebody that you're necessarily a fan with uh but somebody that you feel fits your sound and that could be a realistic collaboration that you'd say yeah this would this would work nicely with what I do well that's that's you know I I have some like immediate people that I've always thought of uh like hey yeah I want to work with that person but they're they're so on the nose that I think probably to answer your question in in this instance it would be somebody like uh like a Paul Westerberg of the replacements.
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Oh okay yeah his you know their band and his type of writing you know they were they kind of started out as like uh you know pop thrash and and you know worked their way all all the way to becoming uh you know very singer songer songwriting type of music you know in the in their later days and so they covered covered a lot of everything so it'd be fun to do something with him because I think you just wouldn't know what you would get you know yeah yeah yeah that is I love that answer actually yeah I haven't heard the name the replacements in probably 10 years oh man well I'm I'm a I'm a bit older than some people so I love that man that's crazy they were they were one of my bigger you know bigger influences because they kind of had like the the the power of like a a band like the Clash but they talked more about you know personal issues and every everyday issues from like teenager stuff to to uh you know broken hearts and and then uh driving your car too fast through a stop sign and yeah talk about an underrated band too the the replacements did not get nearly enough credit for that scene.
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Yeah well they they did uh they they kind of set themselves up for uh destruction in a way too so they you know they were they were like normal guys and uh you know the craziness of what used to be you know uh pop stardom or rock stardom you know it they they didn't want to go that far and become those type of people and they kind of would shoot themselves in the foot every time you know some big opportunity would come around and but you know that's kind of the charm of them too if they would have been like the biggest band in the world then you wouldn't have you wouldn't have loved them as much you know it they kind of never really you know what they used to call selling out but uh nowadays who who who knows what that is you know now I'll write whatever you want you whatever type of song you want for 10 bucks nowadays so now the the the replacements that's 80s right um yeah they they made it they made it into the early 90s and you know and since then like with the last last uh probably 10 years now they've had a constant stream of uh like reissue yeah boxed issue albums and so that a lot of younger people have kind of rediscovered them well they had that um that movie that came out um back in like the mid 2000 it was like 2000 like between 2009 and like 13 um they had that movie um it wasn't called the replacements but it was a something like that it was like loosely based on the band because it was like I watched the movie and I was like this sounds a lot like a story that I've heard before and then it turned out that it was like loosely based on the replacements and I think like um um uh you two it was it was like a mixture of those two bands is where the inspiration came from but it wasn't necessarily a story about them it was just kind of like a reference you know point so in that film I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to figure out what movie it was yeah um but I want to ask one more question about a song uh so the song white the white noise song white noise yeah tell me a little bit about that song this one is if you ask me the kind of secret sleeper on the album yeah it's it's like I said it's one of those kind of under the radar songs where it's just really a laundry list of um the complaints of your your kind of stereotypical old white guy you know or or Karen uh type of you know complaints with what's wrong with the world and society these days and um you know all all while describing kind of you know them living in a in this kind of comfortable luxurious luxurious settings while you know they complain about how everybody else is running things and um you know so it's really just a laundry list of of those type of complaints you know and I kind of mention about um I mentioned about you know how you they'll they'll fill your uh favorite sports teams you know that's okay but you know in in other other areas of society there are dregs and bums and you know so it's just kind of that seesaw of uh you know here here here's what it's kind of wanting uh it's kind of like wanting people to be deported but still wanting them to uh you know do your lawn and do your go get your groceries and you know keep making uh keep uh making Mexican food at my favorite restaurant you know um the other thing too with that song is uh the guitar work on that song I really love the guitar work that you did on that one um clearly you play guitar I can see I think one two three four five six behind you there um three five five behind you there um five behind me and then I've got oh two more on thirty next to me uh tell me a little bit about like the melodic inspiration on that one well you know I the the album was produced by Lydia Loveless and uh she's you know a pretty big musician in the uh what used to be alt country or you know it's kind of morphed into Americana Rootsy Rock Cowpunk whatever you want to call it but uh um I happened to get the opportunity to work with her and so she produced this album and uh I live in Indianapolis and she uh lived in Columbus Ohio and the studio was in Columbus Ohio and uh so we ended up using uh a lot of folks from her band uh which she her alb she has an album called Somewhere else and the uh that the first time I saw her was a live show uh opening up for a band called the old 97s and uh I had never heard of her before and and so just the sonic uh landscape that her band made it it reminded me of like a more probably why I really was drawn to it but it was like a more uh at that point kind of country replacement sound you know it was like it was like it it had it was like a kind of a you know heavily distorted country sound but it was kind of loose and jangling and and there's some sloppiness sloppiness to it and that's kind of what kind of like a like a Georgia satellites yeah yeah not you know not exactly but yeah you're you're in the you're in the ballpark but uh so I I got to work with her and it just made more sense to use uh her band members uh because it was a two and a half hour drive so we would do like two days in a row and I'd go back home but her she's got a guitar guitar player called Todd May and he just has this way of making um just uh he he he he creates more moods you know than right and concerned with making you know guitar runs or licks or those type of things and uh so I it let me kind of just do you know kind of the thrashy rhythmic parts and then he would come over come on top of that and really do his thing to create the mood on top of that.
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And uh you know we did a lot of songs uh like that um where I would come in with the with kind of the rhythmic bones of it and then he would be able to kind of manipulate his style around what I had there and he's just uh kind of a one of a kind you know I haven't seen a lot of guitar players that that uh have this it's almost an art of being able to play to whatever that song asks for versus I'm a rock guitar player or I'm a country guitar player or you know that type of thing he he just kind of there's no uh no real category I guess for his type of playing how how did you go about creating the um the almost psychedelic spacey uh sound to the rhythm of the of the music to the rhythm guitar because there's a there's a it's heavy chorus for journe in there um and and just kind of gives like this uh almost uh pink floyd style kind of uh spaciness how how did you go about creating that rhythmically well you know we I wanted the songs to be more um have a a bigger ambience to them than I've really ever tried before you know I m most of the stuff that I had done up to that point was you know firmly established in kind of rock and roll three four chord you know rock songs and uh distortion and you know uh a solo somewhere and uh so it's very kind of you know four format uh a formatted type of thing this this album but I just kind of wanted to go into the studio and um whatever was the feel that day or you know that some songs we would see a a pedal on the floor and uh what does this do?
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And if I put this pedal with this pedal and I turn this knob all the way backwards what does that do?
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And so and we kind of tried that and uh you know we layered a lot of guitars you know sometimes
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you know we did i think we had probably four guitars three guitars and you know three or four guitars and most of the songs um and then we wanted to you know create room i i what i wanted to hear was i want when it came to the speakers i wanted to try to make the listener feel like they were in the room like there was a back wall and a front wall and you know side walls and you could hear kind of the the music moving around or bouncing off of things and so we just we just used pedals and placement of mics and amps and uh layered guitar and like you said chorus and delay and and just kind of tried things on the moment until we got something we you know felt like uh felt like expressed what this the the lyrical content was and what the song needed yeah I love that man um bird I just want to thank you again so much for such an incredible interview and and thank you for everything that you do in the music industry um please everyone check out expert x everywhere you possibly can uh streaming on Spotify uh I believe Apple Music as well yep um pretty much all of your music platforms these days there's so many to even keep track of it's it's everywhere the laundry list um YouTube especially uh check out the videos dude that is my biggest takeaway check out the music videos because they're killers like I I love a good music video especially one that has humor um it's very important uh yeah are you go ahead are you are you working on anything now well we're we're doing a few more videos on the song on the album um you know because it's just I I I've I've always been the person that uh you know back in the day when you had a an MTV or when videos had importance to them uh I would always be like you know my favorite band they would do three videos off the album and I was like what about this song and what about this this song and make a great video and well I don't understand why they don't do a video for every song and uh so that's kind of what I've been doing.
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I've been just you know there's really no rules anymore about how stuff's put out and you know I think like I like I said before I I just wanted to combine the different uh expressions of art you know that I that I like the comic books the videos the music um you know and I'm sure I'll hit a point where I'm like okay I'm you know my I've ran out of ideas on this particular project and uh you know it's time to move forward the I have a uh kind of the follow-up album for the most part is written and the guy named um John Agnello who mixed this the Anthems for the end times the current album uh he's going to record and produce the next album and he uh has worked with bands like Dinosaur Jr.
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The Hold Steady uh he he's got a list of clients all the way back you know to the 80s and uh that was one of the things we we uh kind of laughed at is I uh did a on the album there's a cover of Money Changes Everything.
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Yes which was a Cindy Lauper song and uh I went down and met John when he was mixing the album and he was like yeah I love this this song and I you know it's like well I you know I don't know if anybody really remembers it anymore because it was it was on her first you know album the whole girls just want to have fun album or whatever and uh he said yeah I I worked on that album with her that's crazy so it was kind of like this weird full circle and he said yeah yeah we we are I was you know new into the business but I was on the team that worked on that album and recorded it and so it was kind of like you know it's a small world after all.
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Yeah meant to be man yeah so he's gonna he's gonna do the next album and like I said I've kind of got demos done for it but uh you know I don't want to kind of uh give up on anthems while there's still you know creative output you know the songs are done but I still got the comics and I still got more videos and other other ways to kind of uh keep expressing the message of of the songs on the album um again everybody check out expert x absolutely incredible um are you ready to jump into some trivia let's do it this is drink more coffee yeah this is the the the time everybody is always waiting for this is what separates us from every other show you'll ever do um so it is gonna be you versus Taylor oh god we have 20 questions lined up here and we'll see who can nail these questions this is gonna be 80s and 90s trivia oh well I just want you to have a chance you have a chance I know nothing about music ever a liar I you would think you would think that is right you would think it's a lie you would think you would think after almost five years yeah of being a music podcast and doing trivia probably a hundred times you would think nothing zero knowledge in this brain hey taylor taylor name three Metallica songs all right um i i could do it sad but true all right classic um man okay classic and um master of bubbits okay all right i mean you went two extremely mainstream songs and one you didn't specify slightly mainstream yeah okay okay i listened to godsmack today yeah so bird we're gonna start with you uh question one what was the best selling album of the 1980s of the eighties oh shoot do we have options yeah well no no options this time tell tell me uh if i at least have the two albums that i'm thinking of one thriller or or the eagles greatest hits you nailed it with the first one it is thriller yeah michael jackson's thriller best selling album of the 1980s yeah um also greatest hits one the eagles greatest hits one might be my favorite album of all time awesome yeah it's one one and two are really up there for me i grew up my uh my my dad had a had a big uh crush on the eagles so i uh uh what is that song uh new kid in town new kid in town yeah new kid in town is fantastic but that's not the one that i'm thinking of um shoot uh dang it it's it'll come to me eventually i'll i'll get back to it but there's one song on on the second one that i think is super underrated and i don't think anyone that i know of actually now that i i'm saying this thought out loud i don't want to say the name of the song so i'm gonna keep it to myself but there's a song on that album that i can't find anyone has done a cover of and i think i might do a cover of it in the future that that's a god like gatekeep the last resort uh no no it is not that song okay um i think seven bridges road is on that song on that album too right seven bridges road you're probably right uh bird you should go through and you should do a cover of every song on just do every song every one of them birds eagles greatest hits greatest hits i think you should yeah that's so funny um can you imagine you can you imagine what you would have to pay to get the so much but you think about it then you would stop Harley from doing it there you go that is true that is true i would no you you guys have been so kind to me i couldn't crush his dreams like that we all right how funny uh taylor this question is for you oh no artist was known as the king of pop the king of pop yes the only king i know is ovus uh yes bird michael jackson it's michael jackson taylor oh i don't know i only know like three michael jackson songs really that's crazy which one um thriller obviously yeah um well i guess maybe it's not michael jack jackson five would that count i mean it sure it counts or like um he was there okay so i literally i know two michael jackson songs is it Billy Jean yeah is that the name of that that's one of them yeah and then three there's so many there's so many oh man in the mirror I lied I do know three oh yeah there you go okay and that's I'm bad I'm bad is a great one bad yeah never heard um py t oh yeah couldn't tell you honestly the in the entire thriller album is pretty solid front to back right there's probably like seven radio hits on there yeah um bird this one is for you what band released the album Nevermind in 1991 come on that we're in the easy section nirvana it is in fact nirvana Taylor's favorite band fun fact bird i don't like nirvana you don't i don't she does not she does not i i'm telling you she's the worst person to be on the do you want to hear my story of why tell me there's a reason so when harley was learning how to play guitar he could only play smells like teen spirit and that's the only thing that I heard for months you and my wife need she has that same story and that same song too so she gets it it made her hate the entire band it made me hate the band there are a handful of songs by them that I like where I'm like this is a bop I I could listen to these but yeah outside of that hey fun fact they uh were influenced not only by the pixies but the replacements too yes the replacements yeah because never mind is an actual replacement song yes yes it is um taylor this one is for you which Madonna song begins with the line life is a mystery nirvana song uh no madonna madonna oh I'm literally I have the melody in my head it's the one where it's like life is a mystery that one uh right I mean yeah yeah I literally I don't know bird like a prayer like a prayer oh I think that's the only Madonna song I know no that's a lot no you you definitely know yeah I I wouldn't be able to name them but if they came on I would know them yeah um bird this one is for you sir what was the name of the first CD ever released in the United States oh holy Christ um the first C D wow this is a fun fact everyone should know it's like something I don't I remember hearing that but uh I actually did not know this for I don't know Neil Young popped in my head but you're surprisingly super close uh what was it it's Billy Joel Billy Joel 52nd Street really by Billy Joel the first CD to be released in the United States wow what a guy wow and I just saw not that long ago his that bio thing he had on Netflix too oh yeah yeah is it good yeah oh I thought it was great yeah yeah um Taylor this one is for you oh gosh which 80s band had a hit with the song Take on Me take on again this is the easy section thank you for staying in the 80s I can compete uh can you I literally see the music video in my head that's wild can you give me the first letter Aha Aha Aha yes yes see bird I told you I'm so good at so many other things so many things she can draw one hell of a bird man but I can draw a fantastic cargo you know what you need while while you're doing the podcast she should be in the background drawing something while the podcast is going on Mark that's the smartest idea I've ever heard yeah my ADHD would love that yeah dude set up a canvas and paint a picture during the shows that's what we uh like like for weddings I've stolen the idea because there's a local artist that he does that while a band is playing he'll be on the side of the stage painting dude yeah Taylor I should I think I should but it won't be the artist like I'm gonna turn around and it's just a picture just like a just literally just a picture you could draw the guest you could draw I can't draw people yeah fun fact I can draw people no no you draw stick figure of it yeah perfect I'll do a beautiful scene yes beautiful scene and then just a stick figure yeah a very beautiful draw like this beautiful forest and then you'll have this little round blob and say bird oh that's perfect yeah bird if we ever make any money on this show that idea you get 50 on that one but 75 just have me back that's all oh perfect okay okay um it was uh bird's turn bird's turn what hip hop group released the uh album straight out of Compton oh uh uh nwa that is correct nwa um yeah tailor i i would like the regular show that i did actually know that one hey there you go yeah let's see if you know this one gosh if you if you don't I kid you not I think I'm just gonna give it to Bird that's fine gosh okay who's saying girls just want to have fun Cindy Cindy we just said her name yeah I literally lost it it starts with an L yeah right Cindy La Loplin oh you you had two you had a 5050 shot there so close loffer lopplin lopplin I was close lopper lopper lopper Cindy we're both goofy goobers you have it in front of you I was close I love that song that was that was a listening test is what that was Taylor I listened a 50 well 75 i got the law all right bird this one is for you sir which band performed sweet child of mine that's it that's it guns and roses again we are in the easy section you need to you need to move up to like 2005 and let Taylor let's do 2013 there you go let's just do a whole Jason de Rulo catalog there you go jason de Rullo also I would like the record to show I was born in 2001 guys wow yeah okay after after the towers fell after yes after yes all right and 8 before towers after towers after towers after towers um this one is for you Taylor what 90s boy band featured justin timberlake i have two chances you do you got a 5050 shot here and i know it is not the backstreet boys so that means it could only be the other boy band that took on the 90s which is in fact in sync there we go what was the first one you said backstreet boys boys backstreet boys okay well the new kids on the block would came before them so yes and then there was also like uh there was mark funky uh marky mark and the funky bunch were around yeah the two boy bands I know all right so here we go we're moving into the hard round okay um these aren't that hard either all right you mean we weren't in the hard round this one's for you which artist released the album purple rain prince and the revolution yes the legend I knew that one too the legend prince um fun fact we just did an episode of dark side of the music where we discussed the PMRC case against um music the the case where it uh covered I remember yeah the explicit oh yeah I remember it well one of the one of the artists that they cite in that case is Prince that was one of the ones that yeah forced the explicit label yeah yeah Frank Zappa testified and yeah d Schneider of Twisted Sister testified and then of all people so it was it was Frank Zappa D Snyder and then the country roads guy no country roads um john denver john denver yeah there we go I saw that and I was like John Denver Country Roads is a hard listen Taylor this one's for you what was the original name of the band Pearl Jam I love Pearl Jam I do I think they're a great band I think they're fantastic I don't know I'm gonna pass it on to Bird he's my partner in crime we're a team um god this actually just came out a few years ago yeah it I I've got it wrong but it um yeah I don't know great I I want to say green river or mother lovebone but that's real bands uh shoot yeah I don't remember Pearl Jams um Mookie Blalock I'm sorry what and all of all of baseball brands yeah and all of the fans claim that that is not true they would know yeah Pearl Jams said it but all of the fans say that they're that they're messing with us and that's not true have you seen uh the pictures like the memes where Uno comes out and they're like guys this actually isn't how you play the game like you can't be stacking and people comment and they're like what do you know what do you know that's not how you play the game we know what completely it completely changed the dynamic in my household between me and my wife yes I am aware you stack are you an Uno stacker?
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No I get my ass handed to me in Uno so as soon as I found out I was like no weird you know you separate your own colors and put them in stacks is that what you're saying no no no so you know when you're playing Uno and you have like a draw four or like a draw two or anything right so if you draw and you put that down how the next person's able to draw two well if they have a draw two they can put that on top and then the next person has to draw four And it can keep going until no one has a draw two anymore.
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Oh, I've never heard of that.
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Right.
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That's how we Uno came out and said, Hey, you're playing our game wrong.
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It doesn't say that in the direction.
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Which is wrong.
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And then they came out with Uno No Mercy, where you can do that.
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Yeah.
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And it gets crazy.
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Anywho, we're an Uno stacking family.
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That's my point.
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All right.
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All right.
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Uh, we got two more here.
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All right.
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Two more.
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Uh, it was first turn.
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Who had the hit with like a virgin?
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Madge.
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Madonna.
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Um, yes, it is Madonna and Taylor.
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I feel like I should have gone first.
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Taylor, you get the last question here.
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Oh no.
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You are no, you're good.
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You're gonna you're gonna nail this.
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All right.
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What 90s girl group sang the song Waterfalls?
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TLC.
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TLC.
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Look at that.
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Those are my girls.
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I would say that it was neck and neck, but that would be a complete lie in a description.
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Complete lie.
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Right bird.
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Bird.
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Didn't even have to keep score.
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You win the trivia championship.
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What's the TLC stand for?
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Tender love and care.
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I don't know.
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That's my TLC.
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What's the stand for?
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Well, the L is left eye, the C is chili, and then the T is I can't remember the it's not Tina.
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It's uh no, it's it's like to Tove or something like that.
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Tony or Tony.
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Yeah.
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It's the girl's name.
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Yeah, it's all it's all the members of the band's names.
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That makes sense.
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Yep.
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But I can't why can't I remember her name now?
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I also can't remember.
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But it's Toba T, Left Eye, and is it Tasha?
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No, that doesn't sound right.
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Tricia?
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Uh no, that doesn't sound right.
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I also would like the record to show that Bird is the best trivia player we've had on here.
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Well, you you you have it on me.
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Tion.
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Tionne Watkins.
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Okay.
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Tion.
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That's a sick name.
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Yeah, left eye Tion and uh Crystal.
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Chili.
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Or yeah, Chili.
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Uh her name in the band is Chili.
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Chili.
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Her actual name is Crystal.
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Crystal.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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