Dec. 2, 2025

Love, Loss, And Finding “God Boy” an Interview with Ryan Woods

Love, Loss, And Finding “God Boy” an Interview with Ryan Woods

Send in your music story! A church kid with a four-year-old’s guitar and a head full of melodies grows into an artist who threads love, doubt, and faith into a tight, modern pop record—this conversation with Ryan Woods brings that journey to life. We explore how God Boy is more than a title; it’s a lens for understanding infatuation, heartbreak, and the freeing moment when you accept your agency. From the shimmering rework of Loving You in the track two slot to the pulsing honesty of Gun in t...

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Season 2

Send in your music story!

A church kid with a four-year-old’s guitar and a head full of melodies grows into an artist who threads love, doubt, and faith into a tight, modern pop record—this conversation with Ryan Woods brings that journey to life. We explore how God Boy is more than a title; it’s a lens for understanding infatuation, heartbreak, and the freeing moment when you accept your agency. From the shimmering rework of Loving You in the track two slot to the pulsing honesty of Gun in the Glove Box, Ryan walks us through the album’s arc and the choices that make each song land.

Ryan shares how distance shapes his writing—he waits until the storm passes so the lyric can be useful, not just cathartic. That approach gave us Garden, a tender rush of feeling after COVID-era numbness, and Good Swim, a wedding-born celebration that blooms from a slow sway into bright, percussive joy. We dig into production stories too: why he reproduced Gun in the Glove Box himself on deadline, how he and his videographer Zay built a short-form-first content strategy, and why singable guitar solos beat endless shredding. His influences are clear without being derivative—think Bruno Mars and Kevin Parker energy made in a bedroom, with arrangements that value movement and melody over length.

The heart of the episode is Ryan’s take on faith and free will. Raised religious, he’s honest about the pressure of perfection and the anxiety of feeling predestined. God Boy becomes a statement of agency: even if the plan exists, the freedom to choose is where we live and love. That philosophy meets practice when he defines success not by charts but by impact, sharing a story of a fan who walked through an ice storm to a show and said a song kept her alive. It’s a reminder that music is magic because it’s useful—something you can hold when the night is long.

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00:00 - Meet Ryan Woods & Setting The Vibe

03:30 - Early Roots: Choir, Church, Guitar At Four

09:10 - From Covers To Career: Finding A Manager

15:50 - Reinventing “Loving You” And Tracklist Logic

21:55 - The Narrative Arc Of God Boy

28:30 - Old Songs, New Life, And Timelines

34:05 - Taylor’s Take: Sound, Influences, Comparisons

39:45 - Dragon Ball Z, Fortnite, And Playful Tangents

46:20 - Garden, Good Swim, And Writing Through Joy

52:35 - Gun In The Glove Box: Production And Visuals

59:10 - Content Over Big Videos: DIY Strategy

01:03:45 - Touring Hopes And Dream Collabs

01:09:40 - Guitar, Solos, And The Next Project

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I'm the worst person to have a podcast.

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I feel very what is up, everybody.

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Welcome back to the Hook and Bridge Podcast.

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I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host and little sister Taylor.

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Hello, and our other co-host, the other Chris, followed by a super huge guest for all of us.

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I'm so excited.

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So this will be so uniting, and I'm so excited to tell you this story.

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This will be the first time in four years that an artist has been on this show that Taylor is genuinely excited about.

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Now, if any of our other artists are listening, I loved you guys so much.

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However, this is also the first time that Taylor has listened to the music beforehand for the show.

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So without further ado, everybody, please welcome Ryan Woods to the show talking about God Boy today.

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Um, Ryan, how are you?

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I'm lovely.

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Uh the time change has been kicking my ass, but I dude, I'm here preaching in the choir.

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Yeah, it's made me nocturnal.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's something about it being dark at 6 p.m.

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that just doesn't sit right with me, and I don't do time.

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It's four o'clock and the sun is like setting.

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Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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Yeah, I literally it's dark when I wake up and it's dark when I get home from work.

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Yeah.

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It's dark while I'm at work, and then it's dark when I wake up from my nap, and I don't like that.

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Yeah.

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So Ryan.

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Other than that, we're peachy.

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Nice.

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You got your start in Florida at a super young age.

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Tell me a little bit about your first musical experience.

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Um, I guess it starts with like doing like kids' choir and stuff when I was little.

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Uh my mom was really involved at like the church I grew up going to.

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So if there wasn't like daycare options, they did like a choir slash daycare thing.

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So we just like a bunch of kids like hanging out and singing all the time.

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So did that, and then there was a guy also at the church that offered guitar lessons that I started taking when I was like four, maybe.

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Um and yeah, that's that's how it all started.

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Do you understand how crazy that is?

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I mean, Chris and I have kids, so we we get this, but four, four years old.

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Could you imagine your kid starting something like that at four years old?

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I have a four-year-old, and yeah, like that's that's you know, besides that, he likes climbing.

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I don't I don't see him picking up anything.

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No, yeah, like like to have the capacity, like the brain capacity to be like, I want to learn guitar.

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Like, I don't know if my son at four years old is gonna know like what a guitar is or does.

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Well, maybe because you play guitar.

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I think if it's something that's modeled, do you know what I mean?

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Like they find interest in it.

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That's fair.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, that's it's it's funny too because no one in my music or in my family really plays music.

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Like my parents both like played piano a little bit growing up, and still are but they don't like play, you know, they don't yeah, um they dabble, wasn't a career or something.

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Yeah, they dabble pretty much.

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I am teaching my dad guitar right now, which is fun.

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Hell yeah, dude.

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That's awesome.

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It's actually I it made me cry once because I was like, this is so wholesome.

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Like, I it's so oh, I love that.

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It's like a full circle moment.

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Are you kidding me?

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Taylor Taylor could be.

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Taylor, could you imagine us teaching our dad guitar?

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Could you imagine that experience?

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Teaching our dad?

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Teaching him anything?

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Like that sounds um, well no, we've taught him a couple of things.

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How to use a computer, how to use the internet that people who are colorblind actually don't see in gray, you know, things like that.

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Um I forgot that that happened.

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Yeah, that is that was crazy.

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Um he thought I had dog vision, yeah, yeah.

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Oh no, that's so fun.

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I don't know if I'd have the patience.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Does it get frustrating?

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Yeah, like do you get frustrated?

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Does that cause a family fight?

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No.

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Uh luckily, my you know, my family's like pretty uh peaceful for the most part for my immediate family at least.

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Oh everyone says, yeah.

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I think it's it is weird.

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I do get like frustrated sometimes because I'm like, why can't you make your hand move this way?

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Like, but then I remember when I was learning that it was like even like a G chord was like I've never moved my hand in such a manner.

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Like my fingers don't do what they're told.

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Dude, one of the coolest moments for you is gonna be when your dad comes in and he's like, I gotta I learned a song, you gotta see this.

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I learned how to play.

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And you're gonna be like, dude, this time to me.

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Isn't that dude?

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That's gotta feel incredible, right?

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I could cry.

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He's a so he's a pilot, he's a united pilot.

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Hey, shout out, shout out to your dad, especially in this time in God bless America for him.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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Yeah, he'll be in like a random country, and one time, I think he was in like Prague or something, just chilling.

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He has a little travel guitar now.

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He just FaceTimes me and he was learning every rose has its thorn.

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Yeah, hell yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's he's a huge fan of like the all the like 70s, 80s, like rock bands, too.

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Um so let's talk a little bit about so I so you come out of you come out of Florida, you go over to Tennessee, right?

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Knoxville, I believe.

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Um you kind of get a start in Knoxville, right?

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You kind of get things going, revitalize your music around like age 11, right?

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Somewhere around there, 11, 12.

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What happens after that?

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When when do we start going?

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Okay, I want to I want to make this into a profession.

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Um probably when I was like 16.

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Uh so I was like a band kid.

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My or honestly, since I went into high school, so like 15, I guess.

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Um I wanted to be a music teacher.

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Like I wanted to um but I wanted to become like a professor eventually.

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So that was kind of like the path, and I was like trying out for like music schools at different like universities near me.

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Um but at that time I had also started posting a lot of covers and stuff on Instagram, Twitter, all the socials, and uh got a little bit of traction doing that, and then a manager reached out to me and was like, Hey, you know, you can like do music, like you can be an artist if you want to.

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Like, and he kind of encouraged me to start like writing and um showed him my first few songs.

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He was like, Yeah, you got this, dude.

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Like, if you like, I'm here to help.

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He basically just started managing me when I was like 16.

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Um, started setting me up with like writing sessions.

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So that was the time I was like, Yeah, maybe I'll uh give this a shot and try it instead of going like the educational route and go the become famous route.

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Very different, very different.

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Um, so I tried really hard for about 10 minutes to find some of your covers, and I can't find them.

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Are they not on YouTube?

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I didn't really post much on YouTube.

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Oh, that's why Marley only knows how to use YouTube.

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I'm I'm 31.

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That's kind of our I was like such a perfectionist, like I yeah, would like it was when you could only post like 15-second videos.

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I was also on Vine too, that was like a big thing for me to shout out Vine making a comeback.

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Yeah, and so I would just get really good at like 15 second increments of songs and then post those, and it was a lot easier.

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I sure hope it's like a whole um roadway.

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I was like, where did that come from, dude?

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Harley has a whole fun of it.

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It's a it's a whole thing.

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You have like the the fart sound that has all the reverb on it.

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Uh no, I do have uh I do have this though.

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Yeah.

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That's that's fun.

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It's my favorite sample to like put into like a shitty trap beat.

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And there's always like a sample of like someone moaning or like sound.

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That's so funny.

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Um, what was your favorite cover to do?

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Um it's a big question.

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My taste has changed so much.

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I mean, back then it was really more just me kind of riding trends, honestly.

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Like, I'd pick a song that was bumping, yeah.

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Like, obviously, do better than me picking like my more pretentious music taste, you know, the song from that.

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Um, so I don't know if there was really a favorite.

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Um I mean, recently I did I released a cover of uh loving you by Minnie Ripperton.

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That's my favorite cover.

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I didn't I didn't realize that that was a cover.

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That's incredible.

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Yeah, and it started because I just I love that song so much, but it's so like there's no drums on it.

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It's like an acoustic guitar and like um like like an electric piano, like a Rhodes or something, and that's it.

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That's all that's on the song, and then some like bird like tweeting and stuff, like there's some folly noise.

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I don't know, and I was like, I want to hear drums on this so bad.

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I want to hear like a band.

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Every time I listened to it, I would think that, and then I actually discovered there is a version that has like a full band behind it, it's like a live version, but it still wasn't like scratching the itch, and then I remembered I can just make it well, yeah.

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Um, so if that answers your question, then that's my favorite.

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But so so curious, I did know that that was a cover.

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I find it interesting that uh on the album that seems to be the one that's kind of popping off right now.

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A little bit, yeah.

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It it got some really good like playlisting.

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Um and yeah, it's kind of part of the reason we decided to put it on the album because we released it like almost a year ago, over a year ago now.

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Um and it was we were kind of just debating, depending on how well it did, whether it was just like a standalone like single thing or put it on the album.

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And I mean it fits so well in the album, man.

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Like, truly, it's it's like especially in that track two slot, too.

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Like, I'm I'm sure you probably are aware of like the track listing of like you should put this song here, this song there, and like throwing it in track two is number one ballsy to do with a with a cover.

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Um, but like, yeah, man, it fits so nicely in the album.

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Yeah, well, there's kind of like if you listen to the like lyrical concepts of all the songs, too, there's kind of like a sequence a little bit.

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So it's like love, beauty, like light, uh, and then it like it's not really about one relationship, but for sake of like explaining the sequence, it's like sort of just representative of the process of like meeting someone, being super excited, it's very pure and like whimsical, and then slowly, like as you get to know someone's the you know, gun in the glove box is like about them finding like some weird side of you that you don't know if they'll accept or not, and then there's like heartbreak, and then there's like who am I?

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What is love?

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What is God real?

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Is what is my purpose, you know.

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So it it's kind of like that's kind of how it always happens for me.

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Every time I go in or out of a relationship, it's like the same kind of process where like when it ends, I'm like questioning everything about my identity, and like because for me, like love is such a like it drives me, like it's yeah, I think it's what you know most humans are sort of all searching for love in a way, and it's such a like mysterious force, but like it also is very captivating, and obviously it feeds a lot of music, and it like um it's really like wrapped into my identity, you know, the way I love my friends, the way I love my family, and the way I love my romantic partners when I have one, but uh um yeah, and then like so like once it ends, my brain goes to like well, what is what about me loved this person so much to the point where I like endured right so much shit with them and like got you know endured getting hurt by them over and over, you know.

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So yeah, I always like end up going through like an existential crisis after relationships.

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Right.

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Well, and it's interesting too, like that that's like a clear like you you nailed like the through line throughout the album, but it's also interesting too, like if you end at God Boy and then start back over, it's that it's that same cycle of like because God boy leads into the new relationship, like understanding yourself, understanding you go through that existential crisis, and then by the end you've come to this acceptance.

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But if you start the album back over, it's like oh, this is I found my new person, you know what I mean?

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And it's that that cycle, it's it's really cool, man.

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It's really cool.

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Yeah, and it was cool too because the all the music is so old.

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Like, I think the oldest track is probably consideration.

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That song's almost six years old.

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I wrote that, like not long.

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It was almost on my first project, like right when I first moved out to LA, and um it just like kind of didn't it wasn't like done in time and or done enough in time to be like considered ha ha pun intended.

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But uh yeah, so it was interesting like noticing the process of how I was like um how much I was like relating to the music and how excited I was about it, and it was weird.

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I think I went through that whole process I just talked about like three times before this music even came out.

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So I would like kind of feel like distant from the music for a while, and then I would experience something that was like, Oh, I like still relate to this, that's cool.

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Um, but yeah, it was it was funny.

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Like, I was also like ending uh like I just got out of a relationship maybe like over the summer, and as I was putting out the singles, it was like weird how it kind of was like I was putting out the more like heartbreaky ones, and as I was putting out each song, it almost like would manifest in my relationship too, and it was like so weird, like uh putting it out into the world, man.

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Man, I mean manifesting it in the energy, yeah.

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Yeah, um, I I do want to pass the mic over to Taylor with her being such a big fan.

00:19:57.700 --> 00:19:59.220
I'm so excited.

00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:02.260
Yeah, I I want I want to give you your spotlight, buddy.

00:20:02.340 --> 00:20:03.060
Go go for it.

00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:03.780
Thank you.

00:20:03.860 --> 00:20:04.660
It's so funny.

00:20:04.820 --> 00:20:09.380
Okay, so first of all, I wasn't gonna talk much because I have a slight cold.

00:20:09.620 --> 00:20:10.260
It's a whole thing.

00:20:10.420 --> 00:20:12.260
Anywho, I but I listened.

00:20:12.340 --> 00:20:15.220
Harley texted me, he was like, You have to listen to at least three songs.

00:20:15.300 --> 00:20:18.100
Like, it's music that you like, it's your type of music.

00:20:18.340 --> 00:20:21.380
I ended up listening to four songs beforehand.

00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:26.980
Love, like, that's the only it's incredible.

00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:31.460
It's the type of music, I don't even know how to explain it.

00:20:31.620 --> 00:20:38.660
Like music that when it's produced and you're like, no, this is really like to the person, you know what I mean?

00:20:38.740 --> 00:20:41.460
Like being like a smaller musician.

00:20:41.620 --> 00:20:53.540
I love that type of music when so much feeling is put into it and you can tell, and it's not just like a product of you know the industry that like it's really like you writing it and how you know.

00:20:53.780 --> 00:21:04.500
Anywho, I love it, and it gives me the vibes of like this is so specific, but Sabrina Carpenter's emails I can't send because I like the boy.

00:21:05.060 --> 00:21:12.420
It's it's like that vibe, and I love like just that type of music, like slower, more lyrical.

00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:13.140
You know what I mean?

00:21:13.300 --> 00:21:25.620
Like, I yeah, I love it, I really do, and I don't think say that often about music, um, or like even like an Alex Warren-esque, yeah, you know what I mean?

00:21:25.700 --> 00:21:29.220
Like it has like that sound, and I love that sound.

00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:33.300
I'm so glad that you're bringing it out into the world because we need more of it.

00:21:33.620 --> 00:21:35.380
I was also thinking Phineas.

00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:38.500
You you have a very like Phineas sound, yeah.

00:21:38.740 --> 00:21:42.900
Yes, yeah, or um, I can see that who sings Golden Hour?

00:21:43.300 --> 00:21:44.180
Who who is that?

00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:45.220
Do I remember his?

00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:47.380
I don't remember Casey Musgraves.

00:21:48.020 --> 00:21:50.660
No, it was a guy he was on TikTok and used.

00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:53.700
Oh, Jake, Jake, yes, Jake, J A K E.

00:21:54.020 --> 00:21:55.780
Yeah, yeah, Jake with a V.

00:21:56.340 --> 00:21:59.380
Yeah, yeah, he's just like incredible music.

00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:00.660
Yeah, yes.

00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:01.860
Oh, I love it.

00:22:02.180 --> 00:22:17.780
Well, I think the yeah, it's interesting because I like when I hear people tell me what they think about my music, it's like I'm always eager to listen because I don't try to make it sound a certain way, really.

00:22:17.860 --> 00:22:19.300
It just kind of sounds how it sounds.

00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:21.700
I make music and that's just how it comes out, you know.

00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:24.260
And I think that's why it's so good.

00:22:24.740 --> 00:22:25.620
You know what I mean?

00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:30.740
Like you're not trying, you're like just being you, and that is your sound.

00:22:30.820 --> 00:22:33.700
And I love that you're not trying to be something that you're not.

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:35.060
Thank you.

00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:36.740
And it's it's so good.

00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:38.900
And I will be streaming it a hundred times.

00:22:39.380 --> 00:22:45.540
A lot of my music is if it's not about love, it is about who am I, you know.

00:22:45.780 --> 00:23:05.940
Yes, so it's funny because I that's sort of like it indirectly become like a piece of my brand, is like an identity crisis, like yeah, one wonderance, I don't know what self-discovery, I don't know.

00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:09.700
Let's also let's also talk about uh Dragon Ball Z.

00:23:09.780 --> 00:23:11.700
How important is Dragon Ball Z in your life?

00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:16.020
Dude, not much anymore.

00:23:16.260 --> 00:23:16.660
What?

00:23:16.820 --> 00:23:21.060
But I've watched all of Dragon Ball, like the original series.

00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:23.620
It's my first anime, actually.

00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:24.980
Same here, dude.

00:23:25.540 --> 00:23:34.500
And Fairy Tale, those were my first two animes, and then I watched all of Dragon Ball Z and like GT and uh Super.

00:23:36.260 --> 00:23:39.700
Is Super the one they're still like putting out right now?

00:23:40.020 --> 00:23:46.740
Um started it, but I was like, I think yeah, I think passed.

00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:51.460
I think super's done, and now they're on to like them as children again.

00:23:51.540 --> 00:23:54.980
It's it's a weird super GTZ, yeah, yeah.

00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:56.900
Yeah, they just keep going.

00:23:57.380 --> 00:23:58.100
Um, no, dude.

00:24:00.100 --> 00:24:01.140
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:24:01.540 --> 00:24:09.060
Baruto Naruto, Baruto, Naruto, Naro Baruto, yeah, all of them shipped in, this, that, and the other.

00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:11.620
It's nuts.

00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:17.380
Um, no, I saw the YouTube short, and I assume it's probably a TikTok, but I'm not a TikTok boy.

00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:25.780
But uh I saw the short of uh of you making garden into a music video on Fortnite, and you had Lord Beerus, and I was like, what?

00:24:26.740 --> 00:24:30.900
Yeah, that's like my my main fortnight skin.

00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:32.020
That's hilarious.

00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:34.020
No, I love that.

00:24:34.420 --> 00:24:38.260
So who who's your favorite Dragon Ball Z character?

00:24:39.540 --> 00:24:45.220
Probably just off of vibes, like I do love Beerus.

00:24:45.780 --> 00:24:46.900
Yeah, so chill.

00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:47.220
Yeah.

00:24:48.580 --> 00:24:52.820
Um, I mean, he's not that chill, but I was gonna say the god of destruction.

00:24:53.060 --> 00:24:55.220
Yeah, yeah, I think the opposite of a chill.

00:24:55.620 --> 00:24:57.220
I just love his like one.

00:24:57.300 --> 00:24:59.620
I love cats, yeah, right.

00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:08.180
And it's just like I don't know, he's just so his idol care bottle.

00:25:08.580 --> 00:25:09.540
So much aura.

00:25:09.620 --> 00:25:11.060
Yeah, yeah.

00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.420
I remember getting wrecked like a million times in Xenoverse.

00:25:15.060 --> 00:25:15.300
Yep.

00:25:15.540 --> 00:25:16.180
Oh my god.

00:25:17.060 --> 00:25:18.340
Don't even get me started.

00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:21.460
Yeah, but um, it's been a while.

00:25:21.780 --> 00:25:23.540
Taylor oh, go ahead.

00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.660
Probably name a better one if I had recently like watched Dragon Ball Z.

00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:30.340
That's a very acceptable answer.

00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.700
Probably 10 years ago.

00:25:32.020 --> 00:25:35.060
Taylor's favorite is definitely Gohan, right?

00:25:35.620 --> 00:25:39.860
Okay, so here's the thing Gohan or Trunks, it's one of the things.

00:25:40.100 --> 00:25:44.740
Gohan and Trunks, and they're both uh in another world my husband's.

00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:46.340
Do you know what I mean?

00:25:46.420 --> 00:25:51.860
Like, if that was an option, um, but yeah, depending on the day, Gohan or trunks.

00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:56.020
But specifically, I feel like I can't say it now because I'm an adult.

00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:57.940
Actually, I'm not gonna say what I was gonna say.

00:25:58.260 --> 00:25:59.860
Yep, smart move.

00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:02.100
Not in today's climate, dude.

00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:05.300
Not we're gonna go, we're gonna go trunks about that.

00:26:05.540 --> 00:26:07.140
Um, no, we're gonna go trunks.

00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.300
We're gonna go trunks for for the you know.

00:26:09.620 --> 00:26:11.700
Love that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:16.180
Um, Chris, we have never talked about your favorite Dragon Ball Z character.

00:26:16.340 --> 00:26:18.500
I want I want to take a quick guess.

00:26:18.820 --> 00:26:21.220
You seem like a piccolo guy.

00:26:21.540 --> 00:26:22.900
Oh, I hate piccolo.

00:26:23.620 --> 00:26:24.180
Oh wow.

00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:26.420
And there's no reason that for no reason.

00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:30.340
So I remember first watching him.

00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:36.740
Majin Boo?

00:26:36.820 --> 00:26:37.140
Which one?

00:26:37.300 --> 00:26:38.820
Fat Fat Boo or Skinny Boo?

00:26:39.300 --> 00:26:39.620
Of course.

00:26:39.860 --> 00:26:40.340
Fat Boo.

00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:43.060
Does anyone really like skinny boo boo?

00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:48.980
He was the first like iconic character that I was like.

00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:50.260
What?

00:26:50.580 --> 00:26:52.260
Yeah, oh dude.

00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:54.580
I can't believe that you don't pay for it.

00:26:55.940 --> 00:26:56.660
A character?

00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:58.500
Yes, yes, yes.

00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:01.620
The Nimbus Cloud and uh the pull.

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:04.740
What was the pool's he had it was called something?

00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:08.100
The power, the power pull, something like that.

00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:09.540
I can't remember.

00:27:09.780 --> 00:27:11.460
Can I go Master Roshi?

00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:13.620
That's crazy.

00:27:13.860 --> 00:27:15.380
That's a wild thing to pick.

00:27:15.780 --> 00:27:17.300
It might be a little problematic.

00:27:19.300 --> 00:27:24.180
Um, I would say mine is probably Vegeta.

00:27:24.740 --> 00:27:26.020
The big Vegeta guy.

00:27:26.340 --> 00:27:26.580
Yeah.

00:27:26.820 --> 00:27:28.100
I fuck with Vegeta.

00:27:28.340 --> 00:27:30.820
He was like my man on the video game.

00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:32.020
Yeah, right?

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:33.700
Fight my brother all the time.

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:35.060
I always used Vegeta.

00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:35.540
Yeah.

00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:41.620
Um, I want to talk a little bit before we jump into other stuff here.

00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:45.940
I want to talk a little bit about um good swim.

00:27:47.540 --> 00:27:52.020
Tell me, tell me the story between that one and garden.

00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:53.460
I want to talk about garden.

00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:56.900
Obviously, it's a a relationship, right?

00:27:56.980 --> 00:27:58.340
We've established that.

00:27:58.660 --> 00:28:03.380
But like what happened in that specific situation?

00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:09.540
That one garden feels very, very like lovey dovey, but very personal.

00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:19.380
How how did that correlate to we'll we'll say uh we'll say lost and found?

00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:25.140
Is is lost and found and garden about the same situation?

00:28:27.060 --> 00:28:27.700
Ooh.

00:28:28.420 --> 00:28:32.100
If you want us to stop recording and we can talk about it, that's okay.

00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:41.300
No, uh it's see that's the thing, is like my songs, none of them are really about like one thing.

00:28:41.620 --> 00:28:56.420
Like it takes me experiencing a situation or like a relationship like two or three times before I feel like I have the like knowledge to write about it, you know.

00:28:56.580 --> 00:29:14.020
Because I really when I write songs, I really like it to be productive, you know, like even if it's like a silly love song, like let that be like an encouragement to whoever's listening to go out and love someone, you know.

00:29:14.260 --> 00:29:26.740
Um so I I don't like to write songs in the moment when I'm going through something, which I feel like is different than a lot of artists.

00:29:27.060 --> 00:29:31.220
They usually are like, oh, I have a feeling, let me write about it right now.

00:29:31.460 --> 00:29:41.220
But me, I like to process things and really make sure I have like the you know the tact to write about it.

00:29:41.620 --> 00:29:49.700
Um and so to answer your question, garden really like that started.

00:29:49.860 --> 00:29:56.180
Sometimes I'll start a song but not finish it because I don't have the like I don't know the experience.

00:29:56.500 --> 00:30:05.060
You know, I still have you know live live life for a little bit and find let the song find you.

00:30:05.300 --> 00:30:07.140
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:21.460
So garden was like um and good swim was kind of I wrote about when I was like coming out of like a depressive phase.

00:30:21.620 --> 00:30:28.180
Like I I was like it was like COVID depression classic.

00:30:29.060 --> 00:30:46.580
Um but I was like coming out of it and I was like, I'm done being sad, I'm done writing sad songs because that that's a lot of my first EP was just about me being sad and not knowing why, because I was young and didn't have the verbiage to know what anxiety was yet.

00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:47.860
Right, right.

00:30:48.260 --> 00:30:59.940
Um but so once I like matured a little bit, learned a little more about myself and like how to regulate my emotions a little better.

00:31:00.020 --> 00:31:03.940
I was like, yeah, let's uh let's write some happy, happy songs.

00:31:04.100 --> 00:31:12.100
And I had a crush at the time, which is the first time in a long time I had had a crush on anyone, and I was like, oh, this is great.

00:31:12.340 --> 00:31:14.020
Love, I can feel it.

00:31:14.100 --> 00:31:15.380
That's awesome.

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:17.140
I'm not dead inside.

00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:18.100
Hell yeah.

00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:19.780
So that's what Garden's about.

00:31:19.860 --> 00:31:27.300
It's just about me realizing that there is like love in me to give.

00:31:27.940 --> 00:31:30.500
And then swim would be the sequel, right?

00:31:30.580 --> 00:31:40.420
Because it's like finding love and then saying that that person's like, you're all in, like they're perfect, they can't find themselves as perfect, but you do every moment of every day.

00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:42.100
Kinda, yeah.

00:31:42.260 --> 00:31:42.740
Yeah.

00:31:43.060 --> 00:31:46.420
I also it's it is that deep.

00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:51.220
But also not that deep because I kind of just wrote it for my cousin's wedding.

00:31:51.540 --> 00:31:52.340
Oh, really?

00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:53.780
Yeah.

00:31:54.340 --> 00:31:54.900
Really?

00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:55.620
That's awesome.

00:31:55.860 --> 00:31:57.460
That's what prompted me to write the song.

00:31:57.540 --> 00:31:59.540
And then it is a perfect wedding song.

00:31:59.780 --> 00:32:01.460
I said I sent it to my wife.

00:32:01.620 --> 00:32:03.540
So that's cute.

00:32:03.780 --> 00:32:04.180
Yeah.

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:07.220
But yeah, it's a that song.

00:32:07.300 --> 00:32:11.540
But yeah, I kind of wanted it to feel like I don't know.

00:32:11.620 --> 00:32:15.380
I love it because it's there's kind of like two phases of it.

00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:26.900
Like the beginning is very like slow dancy and like um like kind of um just I don't I don't know why I can't think of the word.

00:32:27.940 --> 00:32:29.140
Infatuated?

00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:30.500
Sure.

00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:32.580
Um that was a big one.

00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:33.860
Yeah, I'm very infatuated.

00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:37.140
I'm sort of like um pining.

00:32:37.300 --> 00:32:37.860
That's the word.

00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:39.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:46.340
Pining over this woman, and like no one's perfect, but she's close to it, you know.

00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:52.980
Yeah, and then like the drums come in and it's it's very like celebratory, I guess.

00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:56.580
It's like you know, celebrating love.

00:32:56.660 --> 00:33:00.980
It's like this feels like a good swim, it's like a cookout at the pool, you know.

00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:14.740
Um you know, the heat is hot and the pool is not low, super deep, uh very profound.

00:33:15.060 --> 00:33:17.780
Dude, I mean the the perfect line is what sold me.

00:33:17.860 --> 00:33:21.060
I was like, oh yeah, this is this is a great song.

00:33:21.220 --> 00:33:23.380
Like, yeah, not not as good.

00:33:23.780 --> 00:33:27.940
That was a moment I was really excited when I wrote it.

00:33:28.100 --> 00:33:35.860
I was like, oh, like you're so close to it, and then it sends you into this, like, oh yeah, yeah.

00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:38.260
Dude, I can I can only imagine sitting down.

00:33:38.340 --> 00:33:42.180
You probably you wrote it and you're like, dude, this is this is getting this this is sick.

00:33:44.260 --> 00:33:46.980
Um, especially if you wrote it for a wedding, too.

00:33:47.060 --> 00:33:48.420
That's gotta feel like all this.

00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.380
This is the line that they're gonna be like, oh dude, that's it.

00:33:51.540 --> 00:33:56.260
Yeah, tears in the performing it too, like drunk as fuck.

00:33:57.620 --> 00:33:59.460
I love that five mojitos.

00:33:59.860 --> 00:34:01.700
I was like five mojitos deep.

00:34:01.780 --> 00:34:14.740
That was like the cocktail they had had like five of them, and I think everyone else was also drunk, so they it didn't matter.

00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:20.740
But I haven't watched the video because I fear that it's not good.

00:34:21.699 --> 00:34:36.019
Oh it's it's a great song, but in my opinion, it is nowhere near as good as Gun in the Glove Box, which, if you ask me, is going to be one of the biggest songs of the year.

00:34:36.259 --> 00:34:37.299
Like, hands down, dude.

00:34:37.699 --> 00:34:40.899
This dude, I'm sending this song to everybody.

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:45.699
It's the video, the video's fucking incredible.

00:34:45.939 --> 00:34:52.259
Um yeah, like especially when you're in the the bedroom and the girls on the bed swinging the gun.

00:34:52.419 --> 00:34:55.779
Like, I laughed for two minutes straight at that.

00:34:55.939 --> 00:34:59.139
Um, but the song is catchy as hell, dude.

00:34:59.379 --> 00:35:01.380
The chorus is incredible.

00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:03.860
Yeah, it's definitely one of my favorites.

00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:11.860
I actually, fun fact about that one, I reproduced it from like scratch, like the week I had to turn it in.

00:35:12.099 --> 00:35:21.059
Because really, there was like some like the producer I originally worked on it with, like, wouldn't budge on his fees, and they were like really high.

00:35:21.380 --> 00:35:28.099
So I was like, I'm just I I can do this myself, like so I put it right here.

00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:29.699
Um, it's amazing.

00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:36.659
Turned it in, and I'm way happier with it as a result.

00:35:37.460 --> 00:35:41.460
But who decides the art direction on the videos?

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:57.940
Um, so that was just like so all the videos I've been posting on like socials was kind of like an initiative to like figure out the short form content game, right?

00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:06.579
Um, I basically went to my team and was like, I don't think music videos hold the same weight they used to.

00:36:06.819 --> 00:36:12.579
Like, I think we should put budget into just like getting a lot of content made.

00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:17.539
So I found a guy, um good homie of mine, his name's Zay.

00:36:17.619 --> 00:36:19.539
He's incredible at what he does.

00:36:19.779 --> 00:36:29.460
Um uh but we basically like worked out a deal like with my label.

00:36:29.779 --> 00:36:36.739
We get like X amount of content for X dollars um or videos.

00:36:38.179 --> 00:37:04.579
Um so we just started like hopping on calls, and each time we would like do another round of like shooting, we would just like be like, okay, like this is for social media, it can't be that complicated, like but it just needs to look good and like have you know be on brand of the song, you know.

00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:11.619
So we basically would just get on calls and talk about ideas and be like, okay, this video we'll shoot on a bridge.

00:37:11.779 --> 00:37:13.219
This video we need a payphone.

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.619
Where can we find a payphone in LA?

00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:24.500
And then we'll shoot there, and then um so yeah, it's kind of just me and the videographer just going back and forth.

00:37:24.819 --> 00:37:32.099
Um now are you getting are you getting backing from like the label and stuff financially, or is this all on you?

00:37:33.299 --> 00:37:37.779
Um they pay for it, but I um they give me a lot of freedom.

00:37:37.940 --> 00:37:39.299
Like it is awesome.

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:40.340
That's awesome.

00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:42.420
I love being with Fearless.

00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:54.019
Um but yeah, they pretty much are just like because they also there was one time they tried to like handle the short form thing.

00:37:54.099 --> 00:38:00.819
They're like, we found a guy, like work with him, didn't work out, it was not I did not get great content, honestly.

00:38:01.059 --> 00:38:08.099
But um, so I was like, hey guys, do you mind if I interject here?

00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:14.579
Um I have a homie who's really good at this, and uh so yeah, that's how that happened.

00:38:14.819 --> 00:38:15.460
Oh yeah, dude.

00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:18.019
Yep, here's here's the card.

00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:20.420
Go go crazy.

00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:27.219
Um before we jump into this music game, do we have any dates coming up?

00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:31.139
When when are you gonna take this show on the road?

00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:35.219
Uh I would love to as soon as possible.

00:38:35.619 --> 00:38:54.420
Um there's nothing on the books right now, honestly, but there is um like there's a couple B sides that may or may not be coming out in the near future from the album.

00:38:54.819 --> 00:39:04.500
Uh and other than that, we're just like submitting for shows wherever we can and yeah, just do what we get.

00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:10.659
But nothing nothing to plug at the current moment.

00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:17.059
I I say that we should start using one of your songs as the intro of the show.

00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:18.420
That's what I say.

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:20.900
Yeah, wouldn't be mad.

00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:24.099
Um wouldn't be mad.

00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:35.779
So, my other question that I ask all of my guests is if you could collaborate with any artist, who would you like to have on a collaboration?

00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:38.819
Somebody that fits your sound, Kevin Parker.

00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:40.019
Kevin Parker.

00:39:40.659 --> 00:39:40.900
Okay.

00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:42.019
Interesting.

00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:42.500
Okay.

00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:46.099
He's like, or Bruno Mars.

00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:51.059
Those are like Bruno Mars would be like, yeah, those are my North Stars.

00:39:51.460 --> 00:39:51.619
Yeah.

00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:54.500
Bruno Mars would be perfect, man.

00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:57.219
They fit your sound so well.

00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:11.940
I think that's sort of like the like comparisons I've gotten are like if like like this big artist made music in a bedroom.

00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:15.699
Like, that's no, that's what I was trying to say earlier.

00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:18.179
You just see that's why you're the writer.

00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:18.900
Yeah.

00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:20.500
That makes so much sense.

00:40:20.900 --> 00:40:23.139
Um yeah, I love Bruno.

00:40:23.299 --> 00:40:27.460
I think he's like he's like the biggest artist in the world right now.

00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:28.099
Yeah.

00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:29.219
Um, absolutely.

00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:33.860
Which is sick because I've been a Bruno Bruno fan since I was like a baby.

00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.139
Like from the beginning.

00:40:35.299 --> 00:40:36.579
Um I would I would love to hear you.

00:40:36.819 --> 00:40:40.500
The first I ever owned was doopps and hooligans.

00:40:41.059 --> 00:40:43.299
I would love to hear you do billionaire.

00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:47.460
I think that would be actually there's a really old cover of Billionaire.

00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:47.940
Really?

00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:52.099
My friend somewhere on my on my page.

00:40:52.659 --> 00:40:55.940
What the show, Harley, how do you not YouTube?

00:40:57.219 --> 00:41:00.019
What what's uh what's another good one that I'd like to see?

00:41:00.099 --> 00:41:00.739
Like grenade.

00:41:00.819 --> 00:41:02.500
I bet you do a great grenade too.

00:41:02.819 --> 00:41:03.299
Oh my god.

00:41:03.779 --> 00:41:06.739
There's also there is a video of that on YouTube.

00:41:07.940 --> 00:41:08.819
Of you doing grenade?

00:41:09.380 --> 00:41:16.259
10 years old on like the shittiest laptop like webcam, and I just was like fucking grenade.

00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:19.219
It's just an a cappella cover of grenade.

00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:24.019
The frame rate is like awful, like it's yeah, it's hilarious.

00:41:24.340 --> 00:41:25.779
That's so funny.

00:41:25.940 --> 00:41:28.579
Um my mom refuses to take it down.

00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:30.420
No, it's nostalgic.

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:32.819
It's a normal I've given up on.

00:41:33.460 --> 00:41:36.179
You you've been playing guitar for a long time.

00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:43.219
Um, how often, because given and this isn't your fault at all, but it's the type of music that you're playing.

00:41:43.460 --> 00:41:49.460
Given the type of music that you're playing, it doesn't exactly lend to like heavy shredding.

00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:53.219
Do you ever get a chance to just lay down and shred on the guitar?

00:41:54.259 --> 00:41:55.860
Uh sometimes.

00:41:56.179 --> 00:41:59.539
I really like I love to just like jam with myself.

00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:19.860
Like, yeah, I have like close to probably like a thousand just like instrumentals and like random song ideas, like just sitting on my computer that like a couple times a week I'll just sit down and go through them and then like jam on them, see if anything new comes about.

00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:27.139
Um there is that is something I want to do on this on my next project.

00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:35.380
Um that I kind of already have like a whole concept and direction brewing for.

00:42:36.019 --> 00:42:40.900
Um so yeah, there's gonna be a lot more guitar on that.

00:42:41.139 --> 00:42:44.019
So uh you can look forward to it.

00:42:44.259 --> 00:42:45.059
But yeah, dude.

00:42:45.299 --> 00:43:01.299
As right now it's just kind of like uh I uh they call it producer chops, if you've ever heard the term, but it's like like as a producer, you have to be somewhat like versatile on instruments.

00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:06.579
So I'm probably more of a keys player at this point than I am a guitar player, I'd say.

00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:12.659
Um but my first instrument ever was drums.

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:19.619
I guess it was guitar, but like the one I've like trained in the most is yeah, percussion.

00:43:20.019 --> 00:43:22.179
They put you in drums at like three, right?

00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:23.619
Guitar at four.

00:43:23.779 --> 00:43:24.099
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:26.340
Yeah.

00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.539
Um yeah, I mean I get it though.

00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:34.500
Like you you have to it the song, like whatever the song lends itself to, you know what I mean?

00:43:34.579 --> 00:43:40.739
Like you gotta you gotta go where the song takes you, not try and force things in that you want per se.

00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:43.139
So total totally understand.

00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:47.460
And and it's I mean, it's incredible what you're what you're doing, what you're producing.

00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:54.259
Um, but I mean I would be I would be pumped to hear more like solos in the next project.

00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:55.139
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:59.860
Yeah, there's already the title track, the tentative title track.

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:03.460
I think a pretty I want it to be the title track, but we'll see.

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:10.259
Um for the next project I'm working on, it has a lot of shredding, for sure.

00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:10.900
Hell yeah.

00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:12.259
But cool.

00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:17.139
I do also love like anthemic like guitar solos, like yeah.

00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:20.340
Um there's a lot on this project.

00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:24.099
Um, they're very simple, but like like God boy.

00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:29.219
Yes, yes, like one like guitar solos you can sing.

00:44:29.380 --> 00:44:39.219
I I like the idea of more often than like shredding, like but um like memorable, like like stairway to heaven, you know what I mean?

00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:41.460
Ho Hotel California type, yeah.

00:44:42.340 --> 00:44:56.819
Yeah, so that's that was kind of like the there was honestly a lot of restraint there on this on God Boy, and there's a guitar line at the end of consideration too.

00:44:57.619 --> 00:45:10.099
Um like try I know there's like one or two more big oh wait, I can't talk about that song yet, never mind.

00:45:11.779 --> 00:45:13.299
Okay, but yeah, that's my point.

00:45:13.699 --> 00:45:15.139
Yeah, you know, I I gotcha.

00:45:15.299 --> 00:45:26.500
Yeah, I I noticed like like in this album and and most of the other stuff too, but specifically in this album, you're very strict on that like 330.

00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:32.659
There's a couple of songs go a little over 330, but you're very strict on like keeping that song down.

00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:37.139
Um do you think that moving forward?

00:45:37.299 --> 00:45:41.059
Do you think the industry's kind of done with four and five-minute songs?

00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:45.219
Um, not necessarily.

00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:50.659
Um, I just think it's you have to be sort of like strategic about it.

00:45:50.739 --> 00:45:51.460
Like, yeah.

00:45:52.420 --> 00:45:56.980
Um, like there's like a five-minute song on my first project.

00:45:58.099 --> 00:46:05.059
Uh but that's because it's like two songs technically, like there's a transition in it and it goes into a song.

00:46:05.539 --> 00:46:11.219
Um and that was like my favorite song on the project.

00:46:11.539 --> 00:46:18.019
And so I like it was like the deep cut I chose to like put on the album, you know.

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:21.299
Uh but I don't know.

00:46:21.460 --> 00:46:28.579
I think it just like you know, you can't do nothing in the five minutes, at least, you know.

00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:29.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:34.420
I will say I could listen to one of your songs for five minutes.

00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:35.619
Hell yeah.

00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:39.539
Check out it's called sorry slash happy sad.

00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:41.940
Um perfect.

00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:46.500
It's a fun little like beat switch in there.

00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:58.179
Um I mean I'm trying to think like one song that will never I I think it's the greatest song of all time, Bohemian Rhapsody.

00:46:58.900 --> 00:47:00.659
Like, yeah, okay.

00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:08.019
But it's weird, like it's like I like study that song like and still have no idea what the fuck it's about.

00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:17.299
But I kind of I feel like it's I feel like the beginning, I th I I almost feel like it's about him being like closeted in a weird way.

00:47:17.619 --> 00:47:18.739
A little a little bit, yeah.

00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:19.460
I think so.

00:47:19.699 --> 00:47:22.659
That's that's like my the persecution what that song is about.

00:47:23.139 --> 00:47:25.299
But yeah, I think it's about persecution.

00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:32.019
But yeah, but every time I listen to that song, I'm like, how the fuck do you make this?

00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:33.380
What the fuck?

00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:34.900
Like, who thinks of this?

00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:42.739
Yeah, like who like how wasn't that at the time he was on drugs, also?

00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:44.420
Who Freddie Mercury?

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:46.900
Yeah, yeah.

00:47:47.059 --> 00:47:50.500
I mean, he was never he was never really a drug guy.

00:47:50.579 --> 00:47:51.460
He was a he drank.

00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:53.380
Did you watch the movie?

00:47:53.619 --> 00:47:57.619
Yeah, I know he was there was like a Coke era for sure.

00:47:57.779 --> 00:47:58.739
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:01.139
It was definitely before that, though.

00:48:01.219 --> 00:48:04.259
Oh, I think a lot of it era was genius.

00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:06.659
That's his genius, that's what it was.

00:48:06.980 --> 00:48:14.819
I think a lot of it was just loving Greek mythology, Galileo, yeah, yeah.

00:48:15.460 --> 00:48:19.619
But um philosophy, not mythology, philosophy.

00:48:19.699 --> 00:48:20.739
I'm an idiot.

00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:31.219
I was gonna say not even like as I get in more and more into being an artist and like learn about different writing types of stuff.

00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:34.500
I'm like, how do you even start to write this song?

00:48:34.659 --> 00:48:37.380
Like, yeah, what do you it's so weird?

00:48:37.539 --> 00:48:40.579
But it's also just like a lot to live up to as an artist, too.

00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:52.900
Like thinking about like legendary songs in general, like Bohemian Rhapsody, again, Hotel California, Stairway to Heaven, Freebird, like like dude, I just I don't know if those will ever happen again.

00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:55.940
And that's just one genre of music, too.

00:48:56.179 --> 00:48:57.139
Right, right.

00:48:58.099 --> 00:48:58.900
Yeah, man.

00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.460
It's it's wild to sit down and think about.

00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:02.739
Yeah, yeah.

00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:09.460
It also it also causes me a lot of stress thinking about like the age of songs.

00:49:09.779 --> 00:49:15.539
Like I had this conversation the other day about like somebody came into work and they're like, Oh, I love Iron Maiden.

00:49:15.699 --> 00:49:18.179
And I was like, Oh, I didn't know you were a classic rock guy.

00:49:18.340 --> 00:49:20.179
And he was like, Oh, that's not classic rock.

00:49:20.259 --> 00:49:21.940
And I'm like, No, it is though.

00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:28.420
It's actually it's almost oldies now, like it's it's as old as Elvis was when I was growing up.

00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.059
Like, it's crazy, dude.

00:49:31.219 --> 00:49:33.219
Yeah, you can't think about it, you're a spiral.

00:49:33.460 --> 00:49:39.219
Yeah, like Metallica is gonna play on the same radio station in the next 10 years as Elvis.

00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:43.380
They're in the same genre of music now.

00:49:43.699 --> 00:49:44.500
It's crazy.

00:49:45.940 --> 00:49:48.739
You know what's this is random, but I just thought about it.

00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:54.340
My friend was in tri was doing like a trivia night thing and had like a phone a friend.

00:49:54.500 --> 00:49:59.299
And the question was, what's the most popular Beatles song of all time?

00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:05.219
And she called me and was like, I don't know what it is, and I'll listen to Beatles, and I was like, It's Here Comes the Sun.

00:50:06.739 --> 00:50:08.739
What really was it was it yesterday?

00:50:09.299 --> 00:50:13.460
Googled it, it was Hey Jude, but it's literally not no.

00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:22.980
Yeah, it wrong trivia guy was just like gaslighting me and my friend.

00:50:23.139 --> 00:50:24.099
He's like, It's yeah, right.

00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:29.940
Yeah, like it's hey jude's fine, it's it's a fine song.

00:50:30.340 --> 00:50:31.779
Definitely here comes the sun.

00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:38.500
It's this isn't an objective like take, like it is literally here comes the sun, is the most popular.

00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:44.019
Based on like sales alone, like yeah, yeah, it's it's fat.

00:50:45.139 --> 00:50:45.860
It really is.

00:50:46.340 --> 00:50:47.779
I don't care what Google says, anyways.

00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:48.739
Just remembered that.

00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:53.779
Oh, that's too funny.

00:50:54.340 --> 00:50:58.579
Can we discuss our funny oopsies about the name of the album?

00:50:58.819 --> 00:51:01.219
I don't know if you were in our little waiting room that we have.

00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:02.179
Did you hear about it?

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:04.500
No, he wasn't, he wasn't on yet, but yeah, okay.

00:51:04.579 --> 00:51:07.219
So Ryan, I'm the only one who can read.

00:51:08.019 --> 00:51:08.579
We can't read.

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:09.699
Listen, continue.

00:51:09.779 --> 00:51:11.299
Did you think it was good boy?

00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:22.019
Yes, no, and I so I was listening to God Boy, but in my head the title was Good Boy, and I was like, that's an interesting title for what these lyrics are.

00:51:22.259 --> 00:51:28.659
Yeah, and I was really confused, and then I looked, yeah, I was like, okay, we don't judge, but all right.

00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:33.059
And then I oh go ahead.

00:51:33.460 --> 00:51:34.259
Sorry, you finished.

00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:41.699
Oh so I was gonna say that Harley had texted me, he was like, Yeah, the album's called Good Boy, and so then I think I had it in my head that it was good boy.

00:51:41.779 --> 00:51:49.779
So when I read it, I was like, clearly, and then I listened to it and I was like, That's not that's interesting, it would be true.

00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:55.860
I'm a very good boy next album, yeah.

00:51:56.259 --> 00:51:58.659
That's the yeah, that's the sequel.

00:51:59.139 --> 00:52:05.299
Um go on tour with Sabrina Carpenter, yes, and then my friend, yeah.

00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:08.900
That would actually be hilarious, dude.

00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:10.579
I would I say let's line that up.

00:52:10.739 --> 00:52:11.139
Let's do it.

00:52:11.539 --> 00:52:31.059
The title is like weird because it kind of was like there's a lot of like lines you could draw about the title that were intended, but also not like yeah, yeah, that's why I picked it because it's like vague, yeah.

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:52.579
But it it has a lot of meaning to me that is really difficult for me to like fully explain, but like in one sense it's like you know, a commentary on like my relationship with religion in general, too.

00:52:52.900 --> 00:53:28.179
In another sense, it's more like like God and boy, these two like very opposite things almost, like um in that that was kind of like the the theme of the album is just like juxtaposition and like you know idyllic identities and what you know, um so yeah, it's but it's also like it kind of is about me being a good boy and wanting to be a good boy, yeah.

00:53:28.340 --> 00:53:34.659
I mean it it dude it fit like up until she said that morality, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:40.099
But also like now that I know that it's God boy, like looking back on some of the songs.

00:53:40.259 --> 00:53:58.500
No, it's not that even that it makes more sense, but it's like it's more about the relationship of I not necessarily your relationship with religion, but more of the ideal uh or the idea of being like a god, you know what I mean?

00:53:58.579 --> 00:54:21.539
Like, because in the in the album you deal with that existential crisis at the end, and being able to come out of that with this idea of like, oh, everything's gonna be okay, and manifesting your next destiny kind of gives this ideal of no, I'm in charge of my my future, nobody's holding the reins, you know what I mean?

00:54:21.860 --> 00:55:06.259
Yeah, well that was like like the song God Boy is about me realizing that and accepting like um that like uh because I was raised religious, um and growing up the idea of like perfection and like being good were like really uh like strict on my conscience and caused me a lot of anxiety, like just wanting to like you know live like Jesus, you know, uh which is sort of the case, like you know, Jesus is awesome, great guy, but um wonderful man, yes.

00:55:06.579 --> 00:55:35.860
Uh but there was like this pressure that I was always putting on myself that like you know it's like I am not in control, like everything in my life is predestined, and like God has it all planned out, and that was like crippling for me because I was like when especially when I didn't feel good, I was like, why am I going through this right now?

00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:38.259
Like, why is God putting me through this?

00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:39.539
Like, this sucks.

00:55:39.779 --> 00:55:56.019
Um so it's kind of letting go of that like your like chain, yeah, you know, and being like free from like you know, even if it really is all in God's hands, that's less pressure on me.

00:55:56.179 --> 00:56:07.940
Um, even if it is like even if it's not, um I don't know, it's it's a really big concept about forever.

00:56:08.179 --> 00:56:09.940
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:19.460
No, yeah, it's exactly what I was trying to go for of like that idea of like removing that, like, okay, well, it's it's in my hands now.

00:56:19.539 --> 00:56:29.539
Like, I I'm not set in stone by somebody else, I can choose what the next move is, and yeah, it doesn't remove you from religion, right?

00:56:29.619 --> 00:56:42.099
It can still be the sense of like God allows human freedoms, like he allows free will, so it's just giving that free will back is tough, you know.

00:56:42.340 --> 00:56:43.219
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:43.539 --> 00:57:16.980
And there's also like there's a whole like side of like spirituality that a lot of people believe in that we are like manifestations of God already, and like that's why we're such an intelligent species, and like well, all that stuff, but um like we're I almost think of it as like different like uh variations or like pieces of the pie of God, yeah, yeah.

00:57:17.460 --> 00:57:29.380
Human is like part of like the greater consciousness, you know, like so I it it's kind of leaning into that idea too, yeah.

00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:38.739
Um but yeah, it's it's a lot to yeah, no, no, for sure.

00:57:38.819 --> 00:57:48.179
Yeah, that's kind of why the title track it's also uh Rick and Morty did that episode.

00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:51.699
You remember that episode of Rick and Morty where it was like greater conscious?

00:57:51.940 --> 00:57:54.980
Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, dude.

00:57:55.059 --> 00:58:00.579
Rick and Morty, that's one of those shows, man, where they pull out these concepts where like I think about them days later.

00:58:00.739 --> 00:58:01.539
Yep, yeah.

00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:04.340
There was an episode that fucked me up.

00:58:04.420 --> 00:58:08.659
It was the whole one, yes, yeah.

00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:16.739
That fucked me up for like days, yeah, and then like the Citadel, the Citadel fucked with me for a while.

00:58:18.099 --> 00:58:19.779
I was like, Damn, dude.

00:58:20.659 --> 00:58:23.860
Oh I also have a Morty skin on Fortnite.

00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:25.699
Hell yeah.

00:58:26.019 --> 00:58:26.659
Sweet.

00:58:27.779 --> 00:58:31.779
So what I'm hearing is we have to play Fortnite to get cool skins.

00:58:33.059 --> 00:58:41.380
I actually don't I don't play it that much anymore, but I was I got really good at it like before anyone else did.

00:58:41.619 --> 00:58:49.940
So like season two of Fortnite, I owned, yeah, and then it blew up, and then it got super sweaty.

00:58:50.579 --> 00:58:53.299
Yeah, I had to I had to hang it up.

00:58:55.299 --> 00:58:56.259
Had to retire.

00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:02.739
Dude, I I played Fortnite for the work is late run.

00:59:03.460 --> 00:59:08.259
I played Fortnite for the first time recently, like I had never played it before.

00:59:08.500 --> 00:59:13.299
Yeah, like within the last two or three months, and uh it's really fun.

00:59:13.539 --> 00:59:17.299
It is really fun, but like I don't fully understand what I'm doing.

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:23.779
No, I played I played Call of Duty for a long time, and it's yeah, it's not the same, but it is the same, you know?

00:59:24.099 --> 00:59:31.860
Yeah, well changes to like some people like um I mean there's different modes now too.

00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:39.139
Like there was a while I got really addicted to all the like simulator games that people that like the users make in Fortnite.

00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:43.139
Oh the Tiger Hero on there now, yeah.

00:59:43.380 --> 00:59:44.340
It's crazy.

00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:48.980
Yeah, no, there's some really interesting things.

00:59:49.219 --> 00:59:56.340
That's like like I it's one of the craziest like game formats, I think, is like yeah, oh yeah.

00:59:56.579 --> 01:00:02.019
You the game blows up and then you open it up for people to make more games inside the game, you know.

01:00:02.259 --> 01:00:07.779
Right, like the only other game that's really like that is Rob Roblox, maybe.

01:00:07.940 --> 01:00:08.340
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:12.900
Actually, you can do that in Battlefield, you can make maps in Battlefield now.

01:00:13.299 --> 01:00:13.860
Really?

01:00:14.179 --> 01:00:17.380
Yeah, dude, that's pretty much my friend.

01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:20.179
It was it was it was a duck hunt map.

01:00:20.659 --> 01:00:22.819
It was yeah, dude.

01:00:23.059 --> 01:00:30.900
Um so like they set up this like tower you have to like run across, and there's a bunch of snipers like trying to like pick people off.

01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:35.779
And if you make it to the end of the obstacle course, you get to come like kill all the snipers.

01:00:36.019 --> 01:00:37.539
That's awesome.

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:39.699
That was really cool.

01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:45.139
Um well, unfortunately, we're not gonna be able to play the game tonight, but that's okay.

01:00:45.460 --> 01:00:46.259
React to time.

01:00:47.059 --> 01:00:52.739
We we unfortunately are getting close on the time, but uh that just means that you get to come back.

01:00:52.819 --> 01:00:54.900
You should definitely come back and hang out with us again.

01:00:55.139 --> 01:00:55.940
I would love to.

01:00:56.019 --> 01:00:58.739
This is probably my favorite podcast I've ever done.

01:00:58.980 --> 01:00:59.779
Hell yeah, dude.

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:00.340
That's awesome.

01:01:00.659 --> 01:01:00.900
Really?

01:01:01.299 --> 01:01:05.860
Oh, you stop you are really fun people.

01:01:06.179 --> 01:01:11.860
I'm gonna ask me a lot of bullshit questions, so yeah.

01:01:12.259 --> 01:01:16.420
Oh well, well, actually, I I might have a I might have a bullshit question for you.

01:01:16.579 --> 01:01:18.900
Oh I still love those.

01:01:20.659 --> 01:01:23.779
Um what what do you see as success?

01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:31.059
Like what is your I don't want to say what's your end goal, but um, you know, because you you know it's take things further.

01:01:31.219 --> 01:01:36.179
But uh yeah, what what what would you define as success for yourself?

01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:39.779
That is quite the opposite of a bullshit question.

01:01:40.179 --> 01:01:40.579
Yeah, right.

01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:42.819
Yeah, Chris just pulled that out of his pocket.

01:01:42.980 --> 01:01:43.380
What?

01:01:43.539 --> 01:01:45.860
Yeah, I mean um I've been wanting to say it the whole time.

01:01:46.900 --> 01:01:47.059
Yeah.

01:01:48.179 --> 01:01:48.659
Nah.

01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:50.900
Ask me anything.

01:01:51.139 --> 01:02:02.340
Um it's weird because it's in some ways like like I can look at my career as already a success.

01:02:02.659 --> 01:02:04.579
If I compare it to the right people.

01:02:04.819 --> 01:02:13.299
Um but there's also like there's a whole fucking ladder of like artists and bands you have to climb.

01:02:13.619 --> 01:02:23.779
Um so I guess like the base level of success for me is just being able to do this for a living.

01:02:24.019 --> 01:02:26.019
So I don't think if we choose that.

01:02:26.819 --> 01:02:46.099
Um you know, but the it's like a very fickle industry, you know, like um like I could be broke six months from now and have to like rebuild that already happened once actually, in in between this project and my last project.

01:02:46.259 --> 01:02:56.420
I had to rebuild my team, got a new label, uh, had to move back to Tennessee, came back, um almost went broke again.

01:02:56.739 --> 01:03:06.739
Uh and finally, like, you know, um, but yeah, uh so yeah, it's there's different levels, I guess.

01:03:07.059 --> 01:03:10.579
So the bass level would I think I've like achieved.

01:03:10.819 --> 01:03:13.619
Um I get to put music out.

01:03:13.860 --> 01:03:20.099
Um fortune enough to have a song that has like 50 million streams.

01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:24.819
That's pretty cool, even though I hate it.

01:03:28.099 --> 01:03:30.579
Um that's how it goes.

01:03:30.819 --> 01:03:40.259
Um, so I guess that's another benchmark is having that one song that I hate that happens to also be my biggest song.

01:03:41.139 --> 01:03:50.179
Um and then wait, wait a second, which is mostly just being uh a bad texture.

01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:51.299
Yep, yep.

01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:53.380
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, okay.

01:03:53.699 --> 01:03:55.059
But that when I was 17.

01:03:56.500 --> 01:04:01.380
Yeah, I I ruined a relationship because I was bad at texting.

01:04:03.059 --> 01:04:08.500
Or me with most friendships, yeah.

01:04:10.019 --> 01:04:13.139
Including including mine and Chris's, actually.

01:04:13.860 --> 01:04:27.699
Yeah, you know, yeah, but um and then like on the spiritual, like artistic level, I think success to me is like just being able to like touch people with my music.

01:04:27.860 --> 01:04:38.980
Um if one person is listening, then you know, yeah, I think that's uh like I said earlier, I really want my music to be productive.

01:04:39.139 --> 01:04:52.420
Like I want people to listen to it and it makes them think in a positive or productive way or question uh you know their character, even you know, in my yeah, yeah.

01:04:52.900 --> 01:04:55.299
Am I the person the song is supposed to be about?

01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:58.819
Like, you know, um maybe something's wrong with me.

01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:00.500
Maybe I'm a problem.

01:05:00.739 --> 01:05:01.460
I don't know.

01:05:02.659 --> 01:05:10.340
Well, and and having having your music touch people in a way of like even like my story of being able to send that, like, hey, this is how I'm feeling about you today.

01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:11.139
You know what I mean?

01:05:11.219 --> 01:05:17.539
Like, yeah, that's that's huge to be able to share that um in music with somebody important in your life.

01:05:17.860 --> 01:05:23.380
Yeah, no, and it it's it's there's it's so saturated these days, too.

01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:38.420
It's like easy to get caught up in like how like um or or f just find meaning in like what I'm doing when there's there's so many other people doing it.

01:05:38.579 --> 01:05:44.179
How what right do I have to you know be a bigger artist than this person?

01:05:44.500 --> 01:06:06.900
You know, there's people that have like two monthly listeners, they'll listen to their music and be like, holy fuck, like yeah, why am I doing like this person needs to be huge, yeah, and you know, um but it's yeah, I just want to be able to like I don't know.

01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:09.619
I'll tell a quick story.

01:06:09.860 --> 01:06:12.259
I was playing a show in Houston.

01:06:13.139 --> 01:06:25.219
Um it was during like there was like a big like ice storm that came through, and like a sold-out show became only like 30 people were there.

01:06:25.539 --> 01:06:34.179
Um and but this one girl like she like couldn't drive there, she walked to the show like two hours.

01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:42.179
Like she walked um through and it's like it's an ice storm, it was fucking cold, yeah.

01:06:42.739 --> 01:06:49.299
But she like had to see the show, and I even posted I was like, please don't come to the show if like it's unsafe.

01:06:49.539 --> 01:06:54.579
Like I promise we'll be back, like you know, just be safe.

01:06:54.659 --> 01:07:05.219
And I ended up live streaming it too, so um, anyways, after the show ended up being one of my favorite shows too, it was really like intimate.

01:07:05.380 --> 01:07:15.779
Like, I felt like I was just like performing for like a bunch of my friends, just like a group of like 20-30 people in front of the stage, like and they were raging too.

01:07:15.940 --> 01:07:16.819
It was so sick.

01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:19.460
It felt like there was 200 people in there.

01:07:20.019 --> 01:07:28.579
Um, but after the show, this girl walks up to me, she tell tells me that she walked there, and I was like, Holy fuck, you didn't have to do that.

01:07:29.139 --> 01:07:36.980
But then she's like, Well, I have I like got you a gift, and she hands me this little like brass ring.

01:07:37.219 --> 01:07:54.579
Um, I have it somewhere, I'm not gonna pull it out, but um she was like, You saved my life, and I was like, Oh, oh really, uh, and usually I'm like, Yeah, whatever.

01:07:54.739 --> 01:07:55.539
But right, right.

01:07:55.699 --> 01:07:57.619
She was like, No, you actually saved my life.

01:07:57.779 --> 01:08:23.380
I was like, about to kill myself, and your song came on, and it was it was exactly how I was feeling, and I realized I wasn't alone, and you know, it I didn't didn't kill myself, so that was that was really cool, and I cried, yeah, yeah.

01:08:23.460 --> 01:08:26.420
I like cried and like hugged her for like five minutes.

01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:36.579
I was like, that's probably the most like special thing that my music's ever done for me and someone else.

01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:49.939
Like, that's I've gotten DMs from people too that have said the same, and it was like um it was the song I was talking about that was like about the anxiety that I had that I didn't know what to call, you know.

01:08:50.099 --> 01:08:56.420
It's just called how I'm feeling, and I'm basically just describing anxiety.

01:08:56.979 --> 01:08:59.299
I'm like, I just feel like this sucks.

01:09:00.340 --> 01:09:10.819
Um but yeah, um at the very end of the song, it goes like but I know I'll get through it and I'll be okay.

01:09:11.059 --> 01:09:14.500
This is just how I'm how I feel right now, though.

01:09:14.819 --> 01:09:17.939
So that's dude, that's fucking incredible.

01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:19.220
That's insane.

01:09:19.539 --> 01:09:23.859
That that is success, like that right there is success.

01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:29.619
Yeah, so that's probably my biggest answer to your question.

01:09:29.859 --> 01:09:32.019
No, it was it was perfect, it was it was amazing.

01:09:32.260 --> 01:09:32.819
Yeah, man.

01:09:33.460 --> 01:09:37.939
Wow, unreal damn dude.

01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:41.380
What a note to end on.

01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:44.019
Yeah, music is magic.

01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:45.859
Music is magic.

01:09:46.340 --> 01:09:47.699
Yeah, I think it's funny.

01:09:47.859 --> 01:09:59.380
People like there's all this like fantasy about magic and like wizards and stuff, but it's like we can make music, like that's so we can make video games, dude.

01:09:59.460 --> 01:10:04.819
Like, we can make like really simulated worlds within computer, you know?

01:10:05.220 --> 01:10:06.979
Yeah, that's sick.

01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:11.779
Um, we can I don't know, even like like plumbers, dude.

01:10:11.859 --> 01:10:15.059
Like no, I don't know pipes.

01:10:15.619 --> 01:10:17.059
Chris is a plumber.

01:10:17.779 --> 01:10:18.340
Really?

01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:20.180
I fuck with plumber.

01:10:20.340 --> 01:10:21.939
Like, I don't know pipes like that.

01:10:22.100 --> 01:10:22.979
Well, you do.

01:10:24.579 --> 01:10:26.819
I mean, water is water is magic.

01:10:26.979 --> 01:10:27.779
Water is magic.

01:10:27.939 --> 01:10:28.739
Yeah, I don't know.

01:10:32.180 --> 01:10:33.539
Upstairs, I don't know.

01:10:33.779 --> 01:10:34.340
No, yeah, yeah.

01:10:34.579 --> 01:10:35.859
I bet Chris knows.

01:10:37.220 --> 01:10:38.260
Does that have to do with pressure?

01:10:38.500 --> 01:10:41.220
I don't want to go near the the poop either.

01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:42.819
Yeah, no, it's not that bad.

01:10:43.059 --> 01:10:43.939
I commend you.

01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:45.300
It's not that bad.

01:10:46.579 --> 01:10:48.899
Trust me, it's not that bad.

01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:50.180
There are worse things.

01:10:50.659 --> 01:10:51.539
I might have to try it.

01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:56.899
I think that they're the real heroes.

01:10:57.460 --> 01:10:57.859
True.

01:10:58.100 --> 01:11:06.500
But that's the thing, it's like I think like the term art can apply to anything.

01:11:06.739 --> 01:11:07.059
Yeah.

01:11:07.220 --> 01:11:10.979
Um yeah, like I think a plumber is an artist, you know.

01:11:11.059 --> 01:11:25.460
I think an electrician, or like, you know, I think the only thing that makes you not an artist is if you're not particularly like passionate and care about what it is that you do.

01:11:25.779 --> 01:11:33.779
Um, you know, so I think it's um like I don't know.

01:11:34.100 --> 01:11:43.939
For example, I have a friend who's a photographer, and I mostly work with him just because he loves taking photos so much.

01:11:44.260 --> 01:12:00.420
He's not like probably not the greatest photographer ever, but he like it's like a joy to like watch him shoot photos because he gets like really worked up when he takes a good photo and he's like, uh yeah, this is a bang, you know.

01:12:00.579 --> 01:12:24.180
I'd way rather work with like you know, a photographer like that, with like you know, that shoots on an iPhone even or something, or better yet, a Samsung, I don't know, but then work with someone that's like you know, that treats it like a nine to five day job, you know, yeah, exactly.

01:12:24.340 --> 01:12:28.979
Yeah, so there is an art to all things.

01:12:29.300 --> 01:12:31.859
You've inspired my work week, like yeah.

01:12:31.939 --> 01:12:38.500
I'm gonna go into my barista job and make coffees like I've never made them before.

01:12:39.059 --> 01:12:39.939
Hell yeah.

01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:42.819
That that's the message that people need right now.

01:12:42.979 --> 01:12:51.539
Yeah, when people talk about like in cooking, like making something with love, like that's how it works.

01:12:51.699 --> 01:13:07.460
It's because it's just like caring and like putting the extra you know touch on things that right, you know, for yourself or someone else, you know, just do all things with love.

01:13:08.579 --> 01:13:09.300
Yeah, dude.

01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:14.180
So but so you're a barista, you're a plumber, and then what do you do, Harley?

01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:15.939
Uh I'm in sales.

01:13:17.859 --> 01:13:19.619
That's a that's an art.

01:13:20.260 --> 01:13:23.699
Yeah, it can't it definitely can it definitely can be.

01:13:25.059 --> 01:13:30.180
He works Smashcraft, not sales called Mercantile.

01:13:35.779 --> 01:13:38.819
Oh man, it's too funny, dude.

01:13:39.059 --> 01:13:41.859
Ryan, thank you, thank you so much for coming on the show, man.

01:13:42.739 --> 01:13:45.140
This has been one of my favorite interviews of all time.

01:13:45.220 --> 01:13:45.619
Like, true.

01:13:45.939 --> 01:13:47.779
I learned of my month, likewise.

01:13:48.019 --> 01:13:51.220
Um, everybody check out Ryan Woods, check out all of his music.

01:13:51.460 --> 01:13:53.619
God boy is available right now.

01:13:53.859 --> 01:13:56.260
Yes, um, check it all out, man.

01:13:56.340 --> 01:13:57.460
I I can't say it enough.

01:13:57.619 --> 01:13:59.939
My my personal favorite is Gun in the Glove Box.

01:14:00.019 --> 01:14:01.300
That's that's my personal favorite.

01:14:01.380 --> 01:14:03.300
So please check that one out.

01:14:03.699 --> 01:14:04.899
Taylor's is Debbie.

01:14:04.979 --> 01:14:08.180
Yeah, I I love Debbie so much.

01:14:11.059 --> 01:14:12.340
She's a good one.

01:14:13.779 --> 01:14:16.579
Um, but again, man, thank you so much for coming on.

01:14:16.659 --> 01:14:17.859
I'm gonna let you go.

01:14:18.019 --> 01:14:21.859
I know we're we're a little over here, so I don't I don't want to hold you up.

01:14:22.019 --> 01:14:24.100
And dude, come back, please.

01:14:24.180 --> 01:14:24.899
Definitely come back.

01:14:25.300 --> 01:14:26.739
Just to chat anytime.

01:14:26.899 --> 01:14:27.699
I'd love to.

01:14:27.939 --> 01:14:28.500
Oh yeah, man.

01:14:28.739 --> 01:14:32.500
Um, I guess you you I mean you guys have my team's info.

01:14:32.899 --> 01:14:33.220
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:33.460 --> 01:14:34.100
You got our M.

01:14:34.819 --> 01:14:35.699
OpenSlot, let me know.

01:14:35.779 --> 01:14:38.739
Yeah, I'd love to yeah, follow the Instagram and whatnot.

01:14:40.579 --> 01:14:42.500
That you're so real for that.

01:14:42.739 --> 01:14:44.579
And we can listen to it all day long.

01:14:44.899 --> 01:14:46.819
It's called Righteous Vanity.

01:14:47.059 --> 01:14:47.859
Yeah, there you go.

01:14:48.019 --> 01:14:48.819
There you go.

01:14:49.059 --> 01:14:50.420
It's not press.

01:14:52.739 --> 01:14:53.939
Oh, hell yeah, dude.

01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:55.619
All right, thanks again.

01:14:55.779 --> 01:14:59.300
It's been real, everybody, and peace.

01:15:00.019 --> 01:15:00.579
Peace.

01:15:00.819 --> 01:15:01.539
Peace.

01:15:01.779 --> 01:15:02.739
Thank you, guys.

01:15:02.979 --> 01:15:03.539
Thanks, man.

01:15:03.939 --> 01:15:04.180
Of course.

01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:05.859
All right, of course.

01:15:06.180 --> 01:15:07.300
Do I leave now?

01:15:07.539 --> 01:15:08.340
Yeah, I got you.

01:15:08.819 --> 01:15:10.899
If you want, you don't have to.

01:15:15.300 --> 01:15:18.260
Like uh after like a hookup, you know, yeah.

01:15:20.019 --> 01:15:24.420
So do you want to hang out or like oh what are we exactly?

01:15:25.539 --> 01:15:27.140
Do I put my shoes back on?

01:15:29.460 --> 01:15:31.460
Oh no, we have never took them off.

01:15:31.859 --> 01:15:32.979
Oh yeah.

01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:35.380
Oh yeah, right, we're in the bathroom.

01:15:36.420 --> 01:15:39.220
Let me let me at least click the end button.

01:15:43.059 --> 01:15:46.739
Thanks for listening to the Lincoln Bridge Podcast.