March 10, 2026

Art, Algorithms, And Authenticity In Modern Punk: Goldstate Interview

Art, Algorithms, And Authenticity In Modern Punk: Goldstate Interview

Send in your music story! British punk bite, modern pop-punk shine, and a whole lot of heart—Gold State drop in to talk craft, culture, and the chaos of building a band that actually stands out. We kick off with their UK DNA—Sex Pistols attitude, Blur-era swagger—and how that merges with American-leaning tones to create a mid-forward wall of guitars that still leaves space for sky-high vocals. Ben walks us through a collaborative writing process powered by co-writer Danny: Deep End arrived ne...

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Season 2

Send in your music story!

British punk bite, modern pop-punk shine, and a whole lot of heart—Gold State drop in to talk craft, culture, and the chaos of building a band that actually stands out. We kick off with their UK DNA—Sex Pistols attitude, Blur-era swagger—and how that merges with American-leaning tones to create a mid-forward wall of guitars that still leaves space for sky-high vocals. Ben walks us through a collaborative writing process powered by co-writer Danny: Deep End arrived nearly in his voice, Love Bomb came to life as a cheeky “breaking news” concept, and Bad Blood found its chorus under studio fire, escalated by Bronny’s feature and big gang vocals. Nothing To Lose embraces a modern edge with a monologue captured on an iPhone and lyrical brush-ups done alongside Bowling For Soup’s Jarrett Reddick.

If you’ve ever wondered whether music videos still matter, their answer is a firm yes. The band treats every video as a live-show invitation, proving story beats budget when the concept is tight and the energy is real. We get practical about phones, compact cameras, and getting over yourself on camera, then explore how social media flips the old playbook: build an audience first, tour smarter later. There’s a candid reckoning with trends vs originality, the rise of personality-driven fandom, and why authenticity outlasts gimmicks.

Gearheads and nostalgics get fed too. James breaks down the blend of Mesa and Soldano tones, hard-panned and EQ’d for bite, and gives love to Gordon Smith guitars for pro quality without the price gouge. We trade Blink-182 takes—California stans welcome—reflect on Box Car Racer and Angels & Airwaves, and spotlight how vocal range and arrangement make choruses hit. We even veer into haunted dolls, skeptics vs believers, and why a good story still rules the algorithm.

Hit play for candid lessons on songwriting, branding, DIY visuals, and building momentum without losing your voice. If you vibe with British punk charisma and clean, modern hooks, you’ll leave with new tracks to queue and tactics to steal. Enjoyed the hang? Subscribe, share with a friend, and drop a review with your favorite Gold State song—we’ll read the best ones on a future show.

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00:00 - Meet Gold State & BSB TV

02:30 - Origins, Influences, And UK Identity

06:40 - Deep End, Love Bomb, And Video Concepts

13:25 - Are Music Videos Dying Or Evolving

19:44 - Social Media First, Touring Second

22:34 - Guitar Tone, Gear, And British Sound

27:34 - Blink-182 Eras, Box Car, Angels

33:54 - Song Stories: Bad Blood & Nothing To Lose

38:54 - Collaborations With Jarrett And Guests

42:19 - Industry Advice: Band As Brand

44:54 - Dream Features And Vocal Pairings

48:34 - Shoutouts And New Releases Teased

51:04 - The Bad Music Joke Challenge

59:54 - Duvet Debates And Sleep Confessions

01:05:34 - Haunted Doll, Ghosts, And Skepticism

01:16:04 - Paranormal Stories And Credibility

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What is up, everybody?

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Welcome back to the show.

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I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host today, Chris, and some very, very special guests.

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Um, I do apologize, I only know one of you, so I'm gonna let you introduce yourselves.

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Um, but the band is gold state, everybody.

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Hey, uh, I'm Ben and I'm Jay.

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That was that was your cue to come in.

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I was I was like expecting more, you know.

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I was expecting you to pick yourself up.

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Mr.

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Q.

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Mr.

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Q.

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Sorry, I apologize.

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Should we do it again?

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Should we go again?

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I'm Ben, I'm the vocalist.

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Boom, now you James.

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Uh you play guitar?

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I do, yeah, yeah.

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How long have you been playing guitar?

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Uh on and off since I was a kid.

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You know, I uh I tried it as a kid as an acoustic, got really bored because I wasn't into punk rock at the time.

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Skate, you know, quit and then discovered punk rock through the likes of Tony Hawke's Pro Skater.

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And uh of course wanted electric instantly at that point, and then it all uh exploded from there.

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Now, Ben, do you also play guitar?

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No, I am the most uh untalented person on the planet.

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I do vocals, and that's it.

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That's it, that's all I can do.

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Cannot play any.

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I can play the recorder.

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I did recorder at school.

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So well, first of all, you can't be the most untalented person because you run one of the most successful alternative music uh TV programs going on right now.

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Nobody's doing what you're doing, so that takes talent in itself, man.

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Um I know we're not here to talk about it, but give us a quick rundown of BSB.

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Yeah, so I am the co-founder and co-host of BSB TV.

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So every week we put anybody that is an up-and-coming artist in front of the celebrities, and I put that, I always do that when I say it because I always feel like it's really weird, you know what I mean?

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Um, but like the people in the music industry that like make a difference.

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Um, if this show is going out after the 27th of February, I can say something really cool.

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Yes, yes, it is.

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So on the 27th of February, we are announcing, which will have been announced by then, that we've got four bands, uh, three bands, sorry, free bands, uh playing Vans Warp Tour 2026 that were discovered off our show.

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Um, literally this week we've just uh announced that two bands were discovered by Summerfest on our show, and I am super jealous.

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One of the bands are on a stage at Summerfest this year with Hot Belly, State Champs, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, and it was all from them being on our show, and the uh the the talent buyer heard them and was like, these guys, I want them on my lineup.

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So um, are any of them Manicat alumni?

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They're not, no, but one of them I'm pushing the I'm like uh Manicat want them, right?

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Manicat, I I spoke to to Pete today actually.

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Manicat want them.

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I'm gonna try and see if I can get them over the line um to join Manicat because I think that they it'd be a natural fit.

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Um, but yeah, it's uh yeah.

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I mean Manicat's doing bits though.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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James, James is killing it over there, man.

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I yeah, I don't I don't know what has happened the past couple of years, but his development over there at Manicat is incredible.

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Yeah, um what does one have to do to become one of these celebrities?

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Like at what points in status am I a BSB a celebrity?

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Dude, you can come well, we you can come on our show anytime.

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Like we do so basically we do like a track of the month thing every month where it's just me and Danny, and it's so weird, like we get record numbers every time we do track of the month, and basically what it is is all the bands that have won track of the week or an industry pick where our guest has selected them as an industry pick.

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We put them all together and we make them fight it out for track of the month, but it's only ever me and Danny that do it.

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So we said that in 2026 we want to get like other podcasts on with us, uh, other people that would like have been really big supporters of the platform and get them to host it with us.

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So there is there is an opportunity, Harley, for you to come on and do that.

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I'm in, man.

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I am 100% in.

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Um another big thing happens next week.

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I noticed the Pikachu and Charmander there.

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Um, Pokemon Day is the 27th.

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Uh are you excited for the 30th anniversary?

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I can't, no, I'm not.

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Because how the how the heck is it 30 years?

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I remember so in the UK we had a store called Woolworths, which James, this will bring back memories for you.

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Um, and I remember every week my dad, my dad, my dad is literally the most like uh regimented person I've ever met.

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So he will like every even now, every weekend, he goes to his local town, they they you know, rooch around the shops, do all of that.

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And I remember as a kid, we'd go into Warworth every Saturday, and I would go up to the Game Boy section and look at all the Pokemon, like red and blue, when it first came out.

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When yellow came out, and I had the chance to catch all free starters, the game changer, but you know, and I remember I'd sit there for weeks and I'd save up my pocket money, and then I'd buy the game, and I uh yeah.

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So, yes, very excited that it's been going strong for 30 years, also very depressed that it's been 30 years.

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Um, I still haven't got a proper open world Pokemon game yet, in my opinion.

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None of them have scratched that surface yet, but I think the Switch 2 does give it the opportunity to do it.

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So come on, Nintendo.

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We'll watch this.

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High hopes, man.

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High hopes for one.

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We're all waiting.

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Um, so let's talk a little bit about uh the new single here.

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Um well, first off, who's the primary lyrist of the band?

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So this is a good one because Danny, who is my co-host on BSP, bear with me one second, I've got background noise and I'm just checking what it is.

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Sure.

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Sorry, I had it just came through in my ear.

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Um, so I apologize.

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Um, so Danny um does a lot of writing, and what what normally happens is so Danny was originally a guitarist for us, and he was like, yo, I don't want to perform anymore, I just love writing you know songs.

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So Danny will send me the shell of a song, and I will then go and kind of just add a bit of flair, add a little bit of my personality on it.

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We kind of discuss the ideas of the songs beforehand.

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Um, we'll throw them to James as well.

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James will then make me sit here and do the most incredibly dull versions of the tracks in my microphone like this, um, so we can get demos together.

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But yeah, it all kind of really does, you know, credit where credit's due, start with Danny.

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So he'll say, Hey yo, I've got this idea for a song.

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Um, there's a track on the on the new album that we're gonna be doing this year uh called Flavor that is completely me, and I'm absolutely ecstatic about it's about my partner, um but it's about how and I I love her, I love her so much, but she has so many different personalities, which keeps everything really fresh.

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But it's like you don't know what flavor you're gonna get today, but you love every different, every different flavor.

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So um very excited about that.

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But yeah, Danny, Danny starts a lot of it.

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How how did uh deep end come about?

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That was a deep end was I'm awful.

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Deep end was the one that I had the least contribution to because when Danny sent it to me, I was like, this is exactly what I would put in a lyric, and how and even the vocal flows and everything that he did was so like it was like he channeled what I normally do.

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So I was like, I I absolutely love this.

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So what I really enjoyed about this one is I connected so much with what he he'd already written, um, that when I went into the studio to do it, it almost in a way felt like I was belting out a cover and I wanted to do it justice because I felt like Danny's baby, you know, and I wanted to make sure that I did, yeah.

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So, but you know, lyrically it's it's one of my favorite because it goes quite dark, but in a fun way at the same time.

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Um and I think that sometimes that that gets lost, you know.

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Some people write really emotional songs, but they're not having fun with it.

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And we just want to everything we do, we just want to have fun, and you know, I think it's kind of got to the point where it's whole Ben's balls to see how high you can sing.

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Um, and deep end is definitely the uh on that one, yeah.

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Yeah, and you guys you guys have a major, major British punk influence, right?

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Like you guys are heavily, heavily influenced.

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It seems to me like um by like the Sex Pistols, I would say is like a huge influence or even blur.

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Um is that kind of accurate to say?

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100%.

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Like we don't like, like we're a pot punk band, but we're from the UK, we listened to a lot of British bands.

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We grew up.

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I mean, Sex Pistols were one of the first bands I think any of us really kind of knew who they were because our parents listened to them, and you know, we had I mean my uncle was listening to bands like that, so I kind of got into that, you know.

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Um, and it was a big start for us.

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Blur, like, I mean, you couldn't go anywhere in the late 90s, early 2000s without hearing blur, you know, they were just everywhere.

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Um, so it's really nice that you picked up on that as well because one of the things that we've always done, and I've said from day one, I am British.

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I don't want to be, but I am.

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Um so I'm gonna utilize my accent to the best of my ability.

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Like when I listen to people fake an American accent, it makes me kind of cringe a little bit because I'm like, yo, we're we're British, sound British, and you know, there's a USP for you.

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So yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it definitely the especially the um the Sex Pistols influence on specifically deep end, like it's it's so noticeably there.

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Um, but Love Bomb is the one that reminded me far more of Blur, um, especially like the artistic route for the music video.

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Who's directing these music videos?

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That was uh my idea, the music video.

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Along with Charlie, yeah, along with Charlie Smith from Mind Art Visual, shout out Charlie.

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Um, I kind of gave him the idea that this is what I wanted to do.

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And he's like, yo, I know where we can use a green screen, I know how we can make this work.

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Um, let's go do it.

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So yeah, I was like, how would we kind of like incorporate the lyrics?

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He was like, Well, what if love bomb was like a disease that was taking over the world?

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We kind of like, you know, you're reporting it on the news and it's kind of taking effect as time goes on, but we'll keep it real subtle.

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Um, so that's what we did.

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And it was probably, I mean, I've shot so many music videos, but that was my favorite one to date because I felt really like I was in my element having fun, you know, um, with my bright pink hair that I was convinced to get done.

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Yeah.

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Um, it it reminded me a lot of.

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Do you guys remember when the Chili Peppers uh brought John Frashante back?

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And did like this random like six months of them pretending to be news anchors to promote the release of the new album?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It reminded me just like that.

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It was like 20, like either 2020 or 2021, somewhere around there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it was new.

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Um, yeah, that's funny.

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Yeah, think of that, but that's really cool.

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It was very much like their like artistic vision, you know what I mean?

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It it also reminded me of like um like Beastie Boys back in the day, yeah, like their music videos.

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It's like this very fun, kind of like uh uh cosplay, you know, putting on the the wig and the fake mustache and stuff.

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Like it's very like cheesy, you know, naked gun type stuff.

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Thing is, I talk about music videos for a living and on PSP.

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And it was like when we went and did that video, it was like kind of gotta do everything I've told ever other bands to do, which is like lose your inhibitions, just have fun, really go for it.

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Because ultimately, your music video is an advertisement.

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If someone's watching a video and you're static and you're not enjoying it, they're not gonna come and see you live, right?

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And if you're having fun and partying and just having a good time, people would be like, These guys, these guys rock, I want to go see them live.

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Yeah, lose your inhibitions, feel the rain on your head, and anything else she said in that song.

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Yeah.

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Energy up, energy up.

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Um, so speaking of uh being so heavily involved in in music videos, um, do you think music videos are a dying art?

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No.

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No, and I know I know this gets said a lot, and I know it does.

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Um I think that music videos are underutilized, is how I want to put it, because I think everybody's got this mindset that we we've all we've all had this mindset because we've all grown up watching MTV.

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In the UK, we had Kerrang and SCUS and other channels of that ilk where every music video was like it looked a million bucks, you know, it looked like it was it was made with a big, big, big budget.

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And I think people have forgotten that like I just said earlier, it's an advertisement.

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Um, so even if it's you, I mean, we watched a video the other day, and I'd love to shout this band out, but I can't remember who it was.

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And their music video was them in the car, driving around their state in America, ordering every fast food place they could, and in between they were singing along to their lyrics in the car.

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And it was, you know, and this was about a month or two ago.

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Um, and I still remember every little bit of it now because they were having fun, and I think that that makes me really connect with the band.

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It's I mean, I'm sad and I really miss the whole thing.

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Do you remember when A Day to Remember used to do the studio diaries and stuff like that?

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And they were great fun to watch.

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I miss all of that because I think you're connecting with people, you know.

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Um, that was music's version of reality TV, and I felt like it had a really strong place.

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So yeah, I mean, James, do you what do you think?

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Yeah, I mean, it's never been it's never been more accessible to make your own video if you know if you can't if you haven't got the budget to to get someone in, it's never been easier and more accessible to to make a high quality video.

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Now you can have a on the new phones or the DJI Pocket 3, anything like that, you can make a really nice video for not a lot of money.

00:15:47.050 --> 00:15:48.890
So yeah, I I'm with Ben on this.

00:15:49.050 --> 00:15:52.650
I think it's under underutilized, underrated still.

00:15:52.810 --> 00:16:03.930
Um you know, you can you can really project your energy, uh project the energy of your song for for a very small budget now, and you know, have it look really polished.

00:16:05.129 --> 00:16:12.890
Do you think that um that music videos as far as uh the result, the resolve per se?

00:16:13.290 --> 00:16:25.210
Um do you think that music videos today compared to music videos, let's say, of the 80s, like late 80s, early 90s, um do you think that they have the same result?

00:16:27.050 --> 00:16:31.610
Um, yeah, they are a lot less story-based now.

00:16:31.850 --> 00:16:33.450
Bring back story-based music videos.

00:16:33.530 --> 00:16:36.170
I want to know, like, I want to bring back story-based music.

00:16:36.570 --> 00:16:37.530
Yeah, do that.

00:16:37.610 --> 00:16:39.930
Like some of my favorite albums are concept albums.

00:16:40.009 --> 00:16:41.370
Anything like Deer Hunter.

00:16:41.530 --> 00:16:42.250
Oh my god.

00:16:42.410 --> 00:16:44.330
Uh, I don't know if you remember Forgive Durden.

00:16:45.129 --> 00:16:45.530
Oh, yeah.

00:16:47.530 --> 00:16:51.290
Their second album, which is literally a musical, is phenomenal.

00:16:51.530 --> 00:16:53.770
I mean, Pink Floyd's the Wall, man.

00:16:54.170 --> 00:16:55.530
Oh, exactly, exactly.

00:16:55.690 --> 00:16:56.330
Come on.

00:16:56.490 --> 00:17:05.930
Um, but yeah, no, I think that I'd imagine music videos today get watched more than they did in the 80s purely because they're more accessible.

00:17:06.089 --> 00:17:10.490
We've got YouTube, we've got loads of different like outlets to view them on.

00:17:10.730 --> 00:17:16.650
Whether or not they have the stay in power in a world of TikTok and short form content is another thing.

00:17:16.890 --> 00:17:24.009
But again, that's why you know I I say this a lot like beeps, hang on, that background music's just coming again.

00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:25.129
What is it?

00:17:25.769 --> 00:17:26.650
Sorry.

00:17:27.690 --> 00:17:28.970
God, honestly.

00:17:29.210 --> 00:17:32.330
Um, but yeah, no, it's I think I've just fixed it.

00:17:32.410 --> 00:17:33.210
Hang on.

00:17:33.450 --> 00:17:35.450
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna punch it in a minute.

00:17:35.690 --> 00:17:36.090
Go away.

00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:36.890
Go on.

00:17:37.450 --> 00:17:44.730
Um, but yeah, I think that um instead, I think what people have to do is be really creative.

00:17:44.890 --> 00:17:48.890
And I say this a lot that people follow trends way too much.

00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:58.330
So they see like, you know, like say that it becomes a TikTok trend to eat an apple in like, you know, without opening your mouth or something, I don't know, like just a random trend that becomes viral.

00:17:58.650 --> 00:18:00.970
Every band starts to do the same thing.

00:18:01.210 --> 00:18:11.370
And I remember when uh Shout Out Bagnolia Park, they really smashed it when they were like, We're gonna put our music video out there until Blink182 see it, and they did it every day, every day.

00:18:11.529 --> 00:18:16.730
But then every band started doing it, so the potency of that idea just went womb, you know?

00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:17.210
Right.

00:18:17.450 --> 00:18:25.930
And I think that you've just got to be creative, think of something really, you know, strong and unique, really, to make it stand out.

00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:31.130
I I heard something today that scares me for the industry as a whole.

00:18:31.289 --> 00:18:39.130
I had somebody today tell me about a country artist, and their exact words were, you have to check him out, he's great.

00:18:39.610 --> 00:18:44.490
So I proceeded to Google said country artist, and I said, What song should I start with?

00:18:44.730 --> 00:18:49.850
And he said, I don't know any of his music, I just think he's cool.

00:18:49.930 --> 00:18:52.250
I see his videos online all the time.

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I like what he does online.

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And he proceeded to show me a lot of videos that were vlog style videos, but he didn't know a single song, but already was completely invested in an artist.

00:19:05.130 --> 00:19:22.809
I I think that might be moving towards the equivalency of how we viewed music videos in the 80s and 90s because there are music videos that I may not have liked the song, but I recognize the video so well that I like the song, if that makes sense.

00:19:22.970 --> 00:19:24.250
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:24.490 --> 00:19:38.890
It's it's funny because I see it as I mean, there's there's a lot of bands that I see that get they they sign really cool deals and stuff, and it's not off the back of them having good music, not that their music's bad, but it's because they're social numbers.

00:19:39.289 --> 00:19:46.490
So everyone's trying to get the social game on point, and you'll find in more and more bands won't play live shows until they've got a social follow-in.

00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:50.890
Um, and I've seen that I've I've been in my my other project, we did the same thing.

00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:59.130
Like we were like, hey, let's just not play any live shows, let's release a load of music, let's get it out there, let's see if we can get people to pick it up, and then let's play some shows.

00:19:59.289 --> 00:20:09.370
And it worked, but you know, for that first sort of like 18 months of being a band, we didn't do anything that your traditional band would do, which is like play shows and you know, and all of that.

00:20:09.450 --> 00:20:12.330
And I think that's kind of where we've gone now.

00:20:12.569 --> 00:20:19.049
Um, there's a lot of TikTok artists out there that make it on TikTok before they even play a show, you know.

00:20:19.210 --> 00:20:19.450
Right.

00:20:19.610 --> 00:20:21.049
Like, look at like Swaco.

00:20:21.130 --> 00:20:26.730
Swaco got such a big following on TikTok before he started touring and stuff.

00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:28.330
Um, and I was obsessed, you know.

00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:32.970
I'd had Swaco on TikTok and then went, Oh, I've got Spotify, this guy, like he sounds amazing.

00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:40.809
Um and then yeah, and it the the rest kind of followed afterwards, which feels a bit of a reversal from traditional, if that makes sense.

00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:45.529
I've just literally got back from seeing a band that got big on TikTok, you know.

00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:46.090
Yeah.

00:20:46.330 --> 00:20:52.650
And now they're touring in and selling out, you know, really big, big, big venues and uh doing great.

00:20:52.809 --> 00:20:55.210
So it's uh it's playing tonight.

00:20:55.370 --> 00:20:58.730
The uh you know the un my local university, yeah.

00:20:58.890 --> 00:21:00.809
So big, big venue, yeah.

00:21:01.049 --> 00:21:07.769
But yeah, so it's it's totally different because I'm from the era of 200 shows a year in a van, more than nothing, you know.

00:21:08.009 --> 00:21:10.650
But yeah, it's nice to see it come around a little bit.

00:21:10.890 --> 00:21:15.690
Um it's a lot easier on the body to do it, to do it this new way, Rand.

00:21:15.850 --> 00:21:22.330
Um, it's a lot easier on uh on everybody's uh you know, health and mentally and physically.

00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:25.289
So can I just pick James up for a second, by the way, guys?

00:21:25.370 --> 00:21:27.930
Because James has like the coolest side gigs ever.

00:21:28.410 --> 00:21:29.289
Oh yeah?

00:21:30.009 --> 00:21:31.610
What do you do, James?

00:21:32.009 --> 00:21:33.769
Uh I don't know what you're talking about.

00:21:34.090 --> 00:21:40.009
James is the in Europe, James is the guitar tech for Lesson Jake.

00:21:40.410 --> 00:21:42.009
Oh, that's cool as hell, man.

00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:45.370
Yeah, yeah, heading out with them next week, actually, next Tuesday.

00:21:46.330 --> 00:21:47.930
Yeah, so he does less than Jake.

00:21:48.090 --> 00:21:49.690
You've done a tray you as well.

00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:51.690
Yeah, yeah, filled in for a tray you.

00:21:51.850 --> 00:21:53.610
They're brilliant, they're brilliant guys.

00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:56.809
And this year I've added A to my roster of clients.

00:21:57.289 --> 00:21:57.930
I didn't even know that.

00:21:58.009 --> 00:21:58.970
You didn't even tell me that.

00:21:59.130 --> 00:21:59.769
That's cool.

00:22:00.009 --> 00:22:00.650
That's gonna be fun.

00:22:02.569 --> 00:22:03.130
That's cool.

00:22:03.690 --> 00:22:13.529
So speaking of the guitar player here, as a fellow guitar player, um how do you achieve that genuine like British sound?

00:22:14.009 --> 00:22:21.049
Because your playing style overseas comparative to American style, vastly different.

00:22:21.769 --> 00:22:27.049
So, how do you achieve the tonalities on your rig for like a traditional punk?

00:22:27.769 --> 00:22:28.970
British punk.

00:22:29.850 --> 00:22:46.170
Um well you're funny you say that because I use what would be traditionally American sounds, um, but blended in a way that it it kind of keeps our I guess uh mid forward kind of sound.

00:22:46.410 --> 00:22:57.289
Um so it's actually I use a lot of Mesa tones um Soldano, so it's you know it's quintessentially American sounds, but just just EQ'd in a way and blended.

00:22:57.450 --> 00:23:06.009
Um so I usually combine a Mesa and a Soldano in the studio and just pan hard left and right, and it sounds absolutely killer.

00:23:06.410 --> 00:23:11.130
Um don't you have a uh a pedal that's got a picture of a cup of tea on as well that you perhaps?

00:23:12.090 --> 00:23:14.009
Well, of course, I mean I'm English, right?

00:23:14.090 --> 00:23:17.370
So uh I have a tea dispenser on on the pedal board.

00:23:19.210 --> 00:23:30.569
You got to but yeah, so my my my main influences tonally wise were were your blink 182s, your gold fingers, that kind of thing.

00:23:30.650 --> 00:23:35.210
So my my tonal palette it is is quite American, you know.

00:23:35.370 --> 00:23:46.490
Um but I guess I guess with the the the amps that we have over here and the and the sounds that we uh associate with this side of the pond, the tones, it kind of blends as well.

00:23:46.569 --> 00:23:49.850
And you can make those tones from from American amps.

00:23:49.930 --> 00:23:55.930
So it's see see I find that our sound over here is more um more treble heavy.

00:23:56.009 --> 00:24:01.210
We s we tend to turn the the mids down treble high, bass high.

00:24:01.529 --> 00:24:14.970
Um I when I think of like the American punk tonality, I think of like I I hate to say it, but like Green Day, Arctic monkeys, um, the black keys, uh very bass-centric guitars.

00:24:15.289 --> 00:24:17.850
But interestingly, they're British M's, you know.

00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:20.009
So right, right, right, right.

00:24:20.170 --> 00:24:22.809
We're just trying to do what you guys do, and you're trying to do what we do.

00:24:23.049 --> 00:24:23.769
Yeah, exactly.

00:24:23.850 --> 00:24:27.130
Yeah, borrowing each other's gear to do it.

00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:28.170
Yeah, right, right.

00:24:28.410 --> 00:24:28.730
Love it.

00:24:28.970 --> 00:24:31.450
Uh, what kind of guitar do you play typically?

00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:42.170
I am a Gordon Smith's artist, so they are a manufacturer based here in the UK, make absolutely incredible guitars for ridiculously low prices.

00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:44.970
So more of like a like a strat style?

00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:54.890
They could they do traditional strats, uh tellybodies, very, very similar to to what you'd expect from a you know a classic T or an S.

00:24:55.049 --> 00:25:00.090
Um, everything through to their actual origin is like more of a Les Paul Jr.

00:25:00.410 --> 00:25:02.809
kind of style, single pickups.

00:25:03.529 --> 00:25:21.130
Um, that's how they started in the 70s, very much synonymous with the punk scene over here, that brand, and they've they've were bought out recently and they've expanded, and they're now doing you know, all your typical guitar shapes that they can't call the real thing, but we know what they are.

00:25:22.009 --> 00:25:31.130
But incredibly made guitars, super, super high quality, great, great team of people, and uh grateful for their support on the road as well.

00:25:31.210 --> 00:25:35.930
So you say um Blink182 was a big influence on your sound.

00:25:36.090 --> 00:25:41.370
Um would you say Angels and Airwaves also had uh influence?

00:25:41.450 --> 00:25:44.970
Were you more of a Tom DeLong or was it more of a Mark Hoppice situation, boxcar?

00:25:45.210 --> 00:25:48.730
I was more of a Tom DeLong, but take off your pants and jacket era.

00:25:48.890 --> 00:25:51.930
Um he lost me a little bit in Angels.

00:25:52.090 --> 00:25:58.650
Um as I've grown older, you know, I'm I've come in back around to that, and that's now more appealing to me.

00:25:58.809 --> 00:26:06.809
Whereas at that, you know, growing up it was balls out, take off your pants and jacket, triple rectone was was my thing.

00:26:06.970 --> 00:26:11.049
But um, yeah, I'm I'm now much more appreciative of angels.

00:26:11.529 --> 00:26:13.130
Did you get into boxcar racers album?

00:26:13.210 --> 00:26:30.330
Because obviously, like being a huge Blink fan, like when they did the Boxcar Racer, I mean I was still a kid, but I went and did Boxcar Racer, I got well into that album, which I felt was my gateway into Angels and Airways because I feel like Tom really like kind of yeah, he kind of went boxcar racer.

00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:47.370
I was like, okay, it's a bit bit serious, had I um, and then they came back and did the self-titled record, and I was like, Blink's got a little bit serious now, and then Angels and Airways came and I actually went to their first show in the UK, like which I think was their first ever show, or one of their first ever shows.

00:26:47.529 --> 00:27:05.930
And I I'll I'll never forget it, not for them, they were brilliant, but like there was like a 40-year-old man who grabbed, I was only about like 15, grabs me, crying his eyes out, going, He's back, he's back, and I just never forget like how emotional Tom DeLong had made somebody who was like you know, nearly triple my age.

00:27:06.009 --> 00:27:08.569
Um, and then did it again recently for coming up.

00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:09.450
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:09.529 --> 00:27:11.289
They came back to Blink and yeah.

00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:15.529
I mean, that guy was probably for like five years just going, Where are you?

00:27:15.850 --> 00:27:18.730
Yeah, definitely.

00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:22.410
Oh, so controversial Blink opinion.

00:27:22.569 --> 00:27:27.210
Um, my favorite Blink 182 album is California.

00:27:27.370 --> 00:27:29.049
Is that a crazy opinion to have?

00:27:29.370 --> 00:27:29.850
I love that.

00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:31.850
I tell you why as well.

00:27:32.090 --> 00:27:35.610
My little boy was born just after that album came out.

00:27:35.850 --> 00:27:45.210
So um my my my ex-partner when uh when we had him, um she was she had to stay in hospital for two weeks, and I wasn't allowed to stay in.

00:27:45.450 --> 00:27:49.690
So every day I would leave the hospital, leave my little boy and leave her and go home.

00:27:49.850 --> 00:27:54.250
And I would listen to California every day, like bare and back.

00:27:54.410 --> 00:27:59.370
So it holds a massive candle to my heart, and uh, I agree, it's a fantastic album.

00:27:59.529 --> 00:28:02.730
Yeah, um, I actually feel Feldy all over it, you know.

00:28:02.809 --> 00:28:10.490
The king of you can hear Tom DeLong on it, like it's yeah, it's very Tom DeLong without him being there, but like old school Blink.

00:28:10.650 --> 00:28:11.930
So yeah, I massive.

00:28:12.090 --> 00:28:13.930
I also really like neighborhoods.

00:28:14.170 --> 00:28:16.970
Yeah, I thought neighborhoods was great, yeah.

00:28:17.529 --> 00:28:23.610
So it's I don't think they've done a bad album, I really don't, and I really I love the new one.

00:28:23.769 --> 00:28:29.850
Um I yeah, I'm very ready for a new Blink album, I think, already.

00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:35.130
Um, but yeah, no, I think that every album they've done has been great, and Skeebs did such a wonderful job when he came out.

00:28:35.289 --> 00:28:36.490
Absolutely, what a guy.

00:28:36.650 --> 00:28:44.490
One of one of my favorite Blink shows was seeing them with Matt Skeeber, and I just thought it was great, like the way that they had the energy, they had the front bottom supporting them.

00:28:44.569 --> 00:28:47.529
So I was like well in my element, and it it was amazing.

00:28:47.610 --> 00:28:48.090
So yeah.

00:28:48.410 --> 00:28:49.690
Epic band name, by the way.

00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:50.330
Yeah.

00:28:50.809 --> 00:29:13.049
I I just feel like it was it was it was such a tonal shift for them to like go from this traditional what I would view as American punk to this almost uh like I mean, obviously, because of who the producer was, like a five seconds of summer type sound, um, which was very popular in 2016.

00:29:13.529 --> 00:29:22.410
But it it was it was that sound, that boy band sound with the the hype of a of a punk band.

00:29:22.569 --> 00:29:38.970
So you have these incredible instruments, this great melody, uh really punchy, catchy choruses with the the depth of Blink, you know, and and like the the funniness to their lyrics mixed in with the seriousness that they could pull off.

00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:42.250
Um yeah, man, it's such a it's such a fantastic album.

00:29:42.410 --> 00:29:46.170
Bor to death is is uh definitely like a top 10 song for me.

00:29:46.330 --> 00:29:46.490
Yeah.

00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:49.210
Pin the grenade of nine is one for me.

00:29:49.370 --> 00:29:55.529
Yeah, pin the grenade of nine is I don't know why, that literally scratches such an itch in my brain.

00:29:56.009 --> 00:30:01.049
Rafelde pushed Skeaber into a such a high range that it just opened up his voice, you know.

00:30:01.130 --> 00:30:08.410
If you if you compare it to Trio, he's a lot higher, higher in blink, and that really works on the recording uh anyway.

00:30:08.490 --> 00:30:13.529
But um, and then Tom comes back and crushes it in the last album.

00:30:13.769 --> 00:30:16.890
Like yeah, they just really just elevated from there.

00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:19.210
They were on fire, yeah.

00:30:19.370 --> 00:30:19.930
Yeah.

00:30:20.170 --> 00:30:23.930
Um, well, I want to talk about a couple more songs here.

00:30:24.090 --> 00:30:26.490
Um, let's talk about bad blood.

00:30:29.690 --> 00:30:32.890
The person who that's about will know that that's about them.

00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:37.289
And that is as much on a recording that I'm willing to say.

00:30:37.529 --> 00:30:41.289
I'll give you a hint though, it's nothing to do with a relationship.

00:30:41.930 --> 00:30:43.450
You know, I didn't think it was.

00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:44.970
I'm gonna be honest with you.

00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:50.970
Um, I was a little disappointed when I clicked on it and it wasn't a cover of a Taylor Swift song.

00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:51.690
Yeah, yeah.

00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:54.730
Well, no, Taylor Swift is a cover of ours, all right?

00:30:55.130 --> 00:30:56.809
You know, there's a paradox here.

00:30:56.890 --> 00:30:57.529
Come on.

00:30:57.769 --> 00:31:01.850
Um we'll do anything to get sued by Swifty, you know.

00:31:01.930 --> 00:31:02.569
That's what it was.

00:31:02.730 --> 00:31:05.610
Um, no, but yeah, it's uh yeah.

00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:07.690
I love that's awesome.

00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:11.610
I got a lot of a lot of feeling out on that one, big time.

00:31:11.769 --> 00:31:21.690
And interestingly, we went to the studio and we had the chorus, and my producer like turned round and was like, I really like the chorus, but you can do so much better.

00:31:21.850 --> 00:31:24.410
And he just deleted everything and said, Let's start again.

00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:26.330
And it was like, okay.

00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:36.410
Um, and we came up with the chorus that is the chorus now within about 45 minutes, just sitting, jamming a few things, working a few things out, and yeah, I'm so grateful that we did it.

00:31:36.569 --> 00:31:41.529
Um, I love the the gang vocals in it, I love the instrumental behind it, I love Bronny's feature.

00:31:41.610 --> 00:31:43.690
I think she absolutely killed it as well.

00:31:43.850 --> 00:31:49.370
And you know, she knows who it was about and what the story is about, and she couldn't wait to get involved, so which was awesome.

00:31:49.610 --> 00:31:53.289
So for me, when I listened to it, I thought it was a friendship.

00:31:53.370 --> 00:31:55.529
I and nothing on it said relationship to me.

00:31:55.610 --> 00:31:58.490
It felt more like a like a falling out with a close friend.

00:31:59.289 --> 00:32:01.529
You're on the right page, you're on the right track.

00:32:01.769 --> 00:32:03.210
Yeah, you're on the right track.

00:32:03.610 --> 00:32:05.370
And then nothing to lose.

00:32:05.610 --> 00:32:11.130
So I would I would say that that one to me is your your serious song.

00:32:11.289 --> 00:32:11.690
Yeah.

00:32:11.850 --> 00:32:19.370
Um, you know, uh, I felt like deep end, it's it's a little harder, um, more punk driven.

00:32:19.529 --> 00:32:23.529
Uh I felt Love Bomb was like a like I said, a very fun song.

00:32:23.769 --> 00:32:26.730
Um Bad Blood felt very personal.

00:32:26.809 --> 00:32:35.130
And then this one I think is kind of like your your lyrical comparison to uh let's say trying to think of somebody in the punk scene here.

00:32:35.289 --> 00:32:36.809
Um oh here's a good one.

00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:39.370
Uh we'll say like Mayday Parade, right?

00:32:39.529 --> 00:32:40.009
Yeah.

00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:43.289
That that's kind of how I felt about nothing to lose.

00:32:43.370 --> 00:32:44.970
Am I on track with that one?

00:32:45.210 --> 00:32:45.769
I'd say so.

00:32:45.850 --> 00:32:49.850
Yeah, we definitely channeled a lot more modern bands with Nothing to Lose.

00:32:49.930 --> 00:33:00.410
It was like so with Gold State, what we're doing moving forward and what we have always kind of like strived to do, but we've built into it was kind of really mixed the nostalgia of like your blinks, your green days, and bands like that.

00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:10.009
But with that really modern MGK, modsun, black bear style, and take a little bit of like you know, Mayday Parade, all-time low and stuff like that in the middle as well.

00:33:10.090 --> 00:33:13.370
Because you know, there's a reason why those bands are still going strong today.

00:33:13.690 --> 00:33:16.730
Um, so yeah, that's a massive I take that as a huge compliment.

00:33:16.890 --> 00:33:19.850
So yeah, I um I definitely feel we really did.

00:33:20.090 --> 00:33:22.009
I feel we got that one a hundred percent right.

00:33:22.090 --> 00:33:23.529
There's nothing about it I changed.

00:33:23.610 --> 00:33:27.850
There's there's one bit when we went to the studio where I go, ah, where did I go wrong?

00:33:28.009 --> 00:33:30.569
And I was like, I fucking hate that with a passion.

00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:33.370
And now that it's done and it's out, I absolutely love it.

00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:40.730
And it's like, you know, sometimes again lose your ambitions, but um, yeah, it's it's my favorite out of all the songs, it's my favorite one that we've done.

00:33:40.970 --> 00:33:41.769
So hell yeah.

00:33:42.410 --> 00:33:46.170
Um lyrically, what was your involvement on that one?

00:33:46.410 --> 00:33:47.289
Quite a lot.

00:33:47.450 --> 00:33:51.450
So with nothing to lose, uh, again, Danny kind of started with something.

00:33:51.610 --> 00:33:54.009
Um, it went one way.

00:33:54.650 --> 00:34:06.410
It was like I brought it back middle, kind of made some of the rhymes feel a little bit less like nursery rhyme-esque, because that's like a lot of what how Danny writes it, which I love because the same way like Blink Write and stuff like that.

00:34:06.490 --> 00:34:08.569
But I kind of wanted to mix it up a little bit.

00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:11.769
Um, we obviously gave the lyrics to Jarrett from Bowling for Soup.

00:34:12.009 --> 00:34:34.650
He then went and did his bits, and um, we gave Thomas the the actual monologue that Thomas Nicholas from uh Kevin from American Pie does is actually uh a voice note that Danny's um uncle gave him after Danny's cousin or uncle uh but gave him and it was like a you know, pick yourself up, you need to dust yourself up after after a breakup.

00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:40.649
And uh Thomas Nicholas like recorded it and literally did it on an iPhone backstage at a gig that we were hanging out at.

00:34:40.809 --> 00:34:45.369
Um and yeah, and we we stuck it in the song, and it yeah, it was really, really cool.

00:34:45.609 --> 00:34:46.250
Yeah.

00:34:46.569 --> 00:34:50.409
Um how did uh how did the collab with uh Jarrett Reddick come about?

00:34:50.889 --> 00:34:54.649
So Jarrett was a co-host on BSB for a little while.

00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:55.689
Um until he did.

00:34:56.649 --> 00:34:56.969
Did you not?

00:34:57.049 --> 00:34:59.449
Yeah, he did our track, he used to do our track of the month with us.

00:34:59.609 --> 00:35:07.449
Um so like every month he would join us, and he would also get us a guest for track of the month from from his um his little black book, I guess.

00:35:07.529 --> 00:35:13.289
Um, and you know, we would have a you know, Jarrett and a guest on, and it went really, really well.

00:35:13.449 --> 00:35:15.289
And Danny's known Jarrett for years.

00:35:15.369 --> 00:35:19.609
They actually hosted a podcast together uh called Music Network in 101.

00:35:19.769 --> 00:35:21.210
So it just kind of came about naturally.

00:35:21.529 --> 00:35:23.210
I I did know, I knew that.

00:35:23.289 --> 00:35:24.009
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:26.329
So it kind of fell together naturally.

00:35:26.409 --> 00:35:28.250
We asked him to do it, he said, yeah, I'll do it.

00:35:28.329 --> 00:35:34.489
And he sat and sat down one day, did it, sent it across, and we were like, yo, this is this is perfect for what we want.

00:35:34.649 --> 00:35:36.169
So it was really cool.

00:35:36.569 --> 00:35:37.849
Um, shout out to him.

00:35:37.929 --> 00:35:41.929
We we uh we did a fantastic interview with him a few years back.

00:35:42.169 --> 00:35:46.009
Uh he yelled at me for calling him a rat and not a mouse.

00:35:46.250 --> 00:35:52.169
So that's that's one of like the biggest things in our career so far is is him yelling at me about calling him a rat.

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:55.929
Uh but no, it was such an awesome interview, dream come true.

00:35:56.089 --> 00:36:00.489
He's such a cool guy, and he's so helpful, man, with everybody in the industry, truly.

00:36:00.569 --> 00:36:06.409
Like he'll drop whatever he's got going on to be like, Yeah, let me let me lend you a hand to lift you up to the next level.

00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:15.129
Um so speaking of that, what advice would you give to an artist in the industry coming out?

00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:17.929
Um, because obviously you guys fairly new, right?

00:36:18.089 --> 00:36:19.049
2025.

00:36:19.289 --> 00:36:23.129
Yeah, um, but you've been involved in the industry for years.

00:36:23.449 --> 00:36:27.609
So, what kind of an advice would you give to somebody that's just kind of starting out their career?

00:36:28.569 --> 00:36:29.289
It's a business.

00:36:30.169 --> 00:36:34.809
Yeah, that's my my first advice to any band is you're you're not a band, you're a brand.

00:36:34.969 --> 00:36:36.809
And I think that we can't stress that enough.

00:36:36.969 --> 00:36:41.049
Like when you decide that you want to write music, if you want like there's two ways you can go about it.

00:36:41.210 --> 00:36:43.689
You can do it as a hobby, you can do it as a career.

00:36:43.929 --> 00:36:48.089
And unfortunately, the latter of that is very, very difficult.

00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:54.489
But one of the fundamental things to get right is to remember that everything you do has a footprint and it's a brand.

00:36:55.049 --> 00:37:00.169
So get a logo, make sure it's clean, do artwork, make sure that you're doing it correctly.

00:37:00.329 --> 00:37:05.369
There is some phenomenal artists out there that will do work for you for very, very good prices as well.

00:37:05.529 --> 00:37:08.009
Don't use AI because otherwise you'll get a slap.

00:37:08.089 --> 00:37:09.769
You know, please don't use AI.

00:37:10.009 --> 00:37:14.169
Um, when you go and write, make sure you find a studio that knows you.

00:37:14.329 --> 00:37:17.769
Um, and ultimately just have fun with it.

00:37:17.849 --> 00:37:23.769
Like honestly, I know it sounds really serious being a brand of a business, but you still got to enjoy it at the same time.

00:37:23.929 --> 00:37:29.529
Um and if you get that right, you might get the recipe to be successful.

00:37:29.609 --> 00:37:30.969
Um, it's difficult, you know.

00:37:31.049 --> 00:37:35.529
A handful of bands get to do it and and and blow up, you know, that's just how it is.

00:37:35.689 --> 00:37:39.689
Um, but if you do everything right, then you can walk away saying, I gave it all I've got.

00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:40.250
Yeah.

00:37:40.730 --> 00:37:52.809
And there's always this phrase that they say that if you want to stop being a local band, you know, stop acting like a local band, you know, treat it like a business, you know, take the next steps in production and you know, in your marketing.

00:37:52.969 --> 00:37:54.089
And so it's very true.

00:37:54.169 --> 00:37:59.369
You know, it's a it's a it's a relatively blunt statement, but it's it's totally true.

00:37:59.689 --> 00:38:00.329
Right.

00:38:00.889 --> 00:38:15.849
Um, my my last question for you guys being involved in the industry for so long, um, and with all of the connections you've made over the years, who would be your dream collaboration for a track in the future?

00:38:16.089 --> 00:38:25.369
Um, now when I say this, I want to press it, preface that I'm not talking about like somebody that you admire in the industry, I'm talking about somebody that fits your sound.

00:38:25.689 --> 00:38:31.210
So I I if you're if you're like oh Jason Aldean, I'd be like, no, that's a terrible choice.

00:38:32.409 --> 00:38:33.210
Garth Brooks.

00:38:33.449 --> 00:38:33.769
I've got two.

00:38:34.169 --> 00:38:35.609
Garth Brooks, yeah.

00:38:36.169 --> 00:38:39.369
Oh, Zach Bryan, go on country meets pot punker.

00:38:39.689 --> 00:38:41.210
Um, I've got two.

00:38:41.369 --> 00:38:43.529
Mine's always been Dan Campbell from the Wonder Years.

00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:44.329
I agree.

00:38:45.049 --> 00:38:54.569
You know, Dan, um, he's a fantastic vocalist, someone I've really inspired, uh, you know, looked up to, and because of that, I I've quite often wrote songs and thought he'd sound really cool on this.

00:38:54.809 --> 00:39:02.250
Um, and then recently I can't get out of my head that I really want Austin Knight from Waterparks on a song.

00:39:02.409 --> 00:39:02.730
Oh, yeah.

00:39:02.889 --> 00:39:07.449
Just because I love the way he does his kind of raspy rap singing.

00:39:07.529 --> 00:39:09.210
I love the flows that he's got.

00:39:09.369 --> 00:39:15.849
Like he's waterparks are one of the funnest bands to like warm your vocals up to because he doesn't breathe, I swear.

00:39:16.009 --> 00:39:18.889
Like, and it's so you really have to work at it, and it's it's cool.

00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:20.969
So, yeah, they'd be my two 100%.

00:39:21.289 --> 00:39:25.849
And I think that they bring a lot to Gold State and bring the sound out in a really massive way.

00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:26.889
Hell yeah.

00:39:27.049 --> 00:39:28.169
What about you, James?

00:39:28.409 --> 00:39:30.409
That's a really, really tough question.

00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:31.769
Really tough question.

00:39:31.849 --> 00:39:42.250
I'd love it to be someone with a really high singing voice to really blend nicely with Ben's lower register, but a name is just escaping me completely.

00:39:43.049 --> 00:39:48.329
I could have said the easy answer, Tom DeLong, you know, but um Justin Hawkins from the darkness.

00:39:48.569 --> 00:39:49.929
Well, no, I mean that would be pretty cool.

00:39:50.649 --> 00:39:51.769
Yeah, that would be cool.

00:39:52.089 --> 00:39:55.289
Beyond the high voice, I wouldn't be doing would not be doing his vocals live.

00:39:58.329 --> 00:39:59.609
No, that's a great answer.

00:39:59.689 --> 00:40:01.449
I think that would I think that would blend nice.

00:40:01.609 --> 00:40:02.250
Yeah.

00:40:02.489 --> 00:40:05.929
Um, trying to think of like a like a super high vocalist.

00:40:06.089 --> 00:40:11.210
Um, there was somebody that like ghosts uh collaborated with Chris.

00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:13.609
You you definitely know Kellen Quinn.

00:40:14.009 --> 00:40:14.809
Kellen Quinn.

00:40:15.289 --> 00:40:16.809
And Kellen Quinn does collabs.

00:40:16.969 --> 00:40:20.569
We Kellen Quinn is the most played artist on BSB.

00:40:20.889 --> 00:40:22.649
Yeah, really, interesting fact.

00:40:22.809 --> 00:40:26.409
Because he's collabed with so many bands and they've had their videos on be on BSB.

00:40:26.489 --> 00:40:27.529
And that's awesome.

00:40:27.849 --> 00:40:30.409
We make so many jokes like we're gonna have to have Kellen on.

00:40:30.489 --> 00:40:35.689
And I've said when we do get Kellen on, it will just be we're just gonna play all the collabs that we've played for Kellen.

00:40:35.929 --> 00:40:36.489
That's what we'll do.

00:40:36.569 --> 00:40:39.369
We'll just do an episode of Kellyn, and it's on I know this song.

00:40:39.609 --> 00:40:44.889
Um, yeah, no, it's uh yeah, he would he'd be great, or like Vic Fuentes from Pierce the Veil.

00:40:45.049 --> 00:40:47.210
Yes, yeah, someone like that, you know, right?

00:40:47.449 --> 00:40:48.889
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:49.289 --> 00:40:50.089
I've got loads of it.

00:40:50.489 --> 00:40:57.609
Or you could go, or you could go the opposite with like um like an As I Lay Dying or um or Of Mice and Men.

00:40:59.289 --> 00:41:01.289
Go real heavy, yeah, yeah.

00:41:01.529 --> 00:41:06.489
Get chugs, chugs going on the uh on the guitar, get right beefy breakdown, James.

00:41:06.569 --> 00:41:07.529
Let's do it.

00:41:08.649 --> 00:41:09.449
Oh man.

00:41:09.609 --> 00:41:19.129
Um so before we move on to the game, I just want to say uh Danny Otto, good friend of mine from Just Happy to Be Here, has been on BSB a ton.

00:41:19.689 --> 00:41:26.889
Uh everybody go check out just happy to be here along with Gold State because Gold State, fucking awesome.

00:41:26.969 --> 00:41:27.689
You guys are awesome.

00:41:27.849 --> 00:41:29.289
I love the British influence.

00:41:29.449 --> 00:41:34.649
Um, I'll be honest with you, you're the first British-based band that I've ever downloaded music for.

00:41:34.889 --> 00:41:36.009
So there's that.

00:41:37.129 --> 00:41:38.169
Um love that.

00:41:38.409 --> 00:41:40.409
And then uh just happy to be here.

00:41:40.489 --> 00:41:44.250
I I really think that like you guys give them so much love on your show.

00:41:44.409 --> 00:41:47.529
He's always sending me stuff that uh that he's on there for you.

00:41:47.769 --> 00:41:54.250
So I think that uh that's one of those bands that I would like to see get more love from the industry.

00:41:54.409 --> 00:41:57.210
So just quick shout-out to just happy to be here, right?

00:41:57.369 --> 00:41:57.529
Hi.

00:41:57.929 --> 00:42:03.449
Um, I have struggled in the last two weeks to get Autumn's over out of my head when I wake up in the morning.

00:42:03.769 --> 00:42:07.769
I finally have not woken up the last two or three days without it in my head.

00:42:08.089 --> 00:42:09.689
It's gonna be back in there tomorrow.

00:42:09.769 --> 00:42:15.049
Um, I fucking love that band, I love that song, and I genuinely see them going places absolutely.

00:42:15.929 --> 00:42:26.089
Danny is honestly, and if he watches his back, when I watch Danny on music videos, he's he's inspiration, he's goals as a vocalist because his energy is unbelievable.

00:42:26.169 --> 00:42:28.329
So, yeah, shout out to just happy to be here.

00:42:28.569 --> 00:42:32.889
He he is the golden retriever of the music industry.

00:42:33.129 --> 00:42:35.369
He is literally just happy.

00:42:35.529 --> 00:42:37.929
He embodies the phrase just happy to be here.

00:42:38.089 --> 00:42:46.809
Yeah, um, yeah, we're doing this uh this true crime podcast together, and when he comes on, his energy is way, way up through the top.

00:42:46.889 --> 00:42:51.449
And I'm like, man, we're about to talk about some horrific shit, dude.

00:42:54.250 --> 00:42:56.250
So I can imagine that as well.

00:42:56.409 --> 00:42:57.049
That's amazing.

00:42:57.289 --> 00:42:57.769
Yeah, right.

00:42:57.929 --> 00:43:00.169
I think all right, let's do it.

00:43:01.529 --> 00:43:04.329
Uh so I got two game choices for you today.

00:43:04.649 --> 00:43:08.089
Okay, one of them we've never done before, so feel free to say no.

00:43:08.569 --> 00:43:11.049
One of them we love to do here, especially for new artists.

00:43:11.129 --> 00:43:12.409
It's called Mixtape.

00:43:12.569 --> 00:43:14.889
Uh, it is sort of like Cards Against Humanity.

00:43:15.049 --> 00:43:18.329
We read off some prompts, you respond with the title of a song.

00:43:18.649 --> 00:43:22.489
You can go the funny route, the serious route, your choice, dealer's choice.

00:43:22.969 --> 00:43:30.489
The other one, my wife bought me some music jokes for a holiday recently.

00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:38.569
Would you guys like to do a try not to laugh challenge with I kid you not, some of the worst jokes about music I've ever read in my life?

00:43:39.210 --> 00:43:40.489
Uh I'm down for that.

00:43:40.569 --> 00:43:41.929
I mean, James, it's up to you.

00:43:42.169 --> 00:43:42.969
Yeah, I'm down.

00:43:43.129 --> 00:43:45.609
I'll I'll suck at it, I'll be honest from the start.

00:43:45.769 --> 00:43:47.929
But yeah, you're so dry, you won't laugh.

00:43:48.009 --> 00:43:49.529
I'll be out before, yeah.

00:43:50.250 --> 00:43:53.929
I kid you not, these are just freeze the screen and cheat.

00:43:54.489 --> 00:43:56.730
These are these are so bad.

00:43:57.529 --> 00:43:58.730
All right, all right.

00:43:58.969 --> 00:44:04.250
So Chris James, um hold up one second.

00:44:04.409 --> 00:44:04.889
I knew that.

00:44:05.049 --> 00:44:07.129
I knew that you got this, you got this.

00:44:07.529 --> 00:44:09.689
Dude, you interview so many people, it's fine.

00:44:09.769 --> 00:44:10.889
You could just call me whatever.

00:44:10.969 --> 00:44:15.449
Like, well, fun fact did we do a zoom call together?

00:44:15.689 --> 00:44:16.329
We did, yeah.

00:44:16.889 --> 00:44:17.289
I thought so.

00:44:18.089 --> 00:44:19.529
You didn't have the beard then, right?

00:44:19.769 --> 00:44:27.210
Yeah, but it was probably I probably shaved like okay for a phase of either like just shaving and then like leaving the whole time I was watching the music.

00:44:27.689 --> 00:44:30.569
Videos, I was like, I fucking know that guy from somewhere.

00:44:31.210 --> 00:44:32.569
I love it when that happens.

00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:33.049
I know.

00:44:34.009 --> 00:44:38.409
Anyways, um, first question or first joke.

00:44:39.529 --> 00:44:42.730
What do you call a crazy band competition?

00:44:43.449 --> 00:44:44.569
Bandemonium.

00:44:45.609 --> 00:44:46.329
James, do you get it?

00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:47.529
Great, that's great.

00:44:47.689 --> 00:44:48.009
Yeah.

00:44:48.409 --> 00:44:49.049
That's good.

00:44:49.529 --> 00:44:51.529
What did the DJ say at the dinner party?

00:44:52.009 --> 00:44:54.009
Let us turn up the beat.

00:44:55.689 --> 00:44:59.129
Like turnips.

00:44:59.529 --> 00:45:00.489
You know what I mean?

00:45:01.769 --> 00:45:02.569
Oh god.

00:45:02.969 --> 00:45:05.210
It makes it funnier when I explain the joke.

00:45:06.809 --> 00:45:07.369
You can't do that.

00:45:07.529 --> 00:45:08.649
That doesn't count, right?

00:45:11.049 --> 00:45:12.969
What is a cat's favorite song?

00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:14.569
Three blind mice.

00:45:15.049 --> 00:45:16.489
Because cats chase mice.

00:45:16.969 --> 00:45:17.369
That was good.

00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:18.489
Around the house.

00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:19.210
Yeah.

00:45:19.369 --> 00:45:19.529
Yeah.

00:45:20.089 --> 00:45:24.889
Why did the pianist keep banging his head against the keys?

00:45:25.689 --> 00:45:26.730
Oh, this one's good.

00:45:26.889 --> 00:45:28.089
This one's actually good.

00:45:28.329 --> 00:45:30.009
He was playing by ear.

00:45:30.169 --> 00:45:31.689
You know, that's very clever.

00:45:31.929 --> 00:45:32.889
No, I'm not gonna go.

00:45:33.049 --> 00:45:33.609
I'm not gonna go.

00:45:33.689 --> 00:45:36.569
Also, when you said pianist, I definitely misheard you.

00:45:36.809 --> 00:45:39.529
Say it, saying I nearly broke then.

00:45:39.689 --> 00:45:40.649
I nearly broke that.

00:45:42.489 --> 00:45:45.449
Four guy, four adult men laughing at a joke about penis.

00:45:45.529 --> 00:45:46.169
I come on, man.

00:45:46.489 --> 00:45:47.289
We're blink fans, right?

00:45:47.449 --> 00:45:48.409
We're blink fans, yeah.

00:45:48.489 --> 00:45:48.730
Come on.

00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:52.649
We're 90s kids and we're blink fans, so it's a dangerous combo.

00:45:53.449 --> 00:45:59.849
If I was on a desert island, the record that I would most like to have is for long distance swimming.

00:46:00.009 --> 00:46:01.289
I mean, yeah, instead of the music.

00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:03.769
You guys are killing this.

00:46:05.529 --> 00:46:08.969
What rock band consists of four guys that don't sing?

00:46:09.289 --> 00:46:12.409
Mount Rushmore, like the mountain.

00:46:12.569 --> 00:46:14.409
Yeah, Chris, you get it?

00:46:14.809 --> 00:46:15.529
There you go.

00:46:15.929 --> 00:46:22.409
Why couldn't the student finish their music homework because they forgot their notebook?

00:46:25.689 --> 00:46:28.649
You've gone so bad, dude.

00:46:28.969 --> 00:46:32.409
Uh have you heard about the new marching band?

00:46:32.889 --> 00:46:38.809
I hear they're making great strides, you know, like the mod like walking, like on a field.

00:46:39.129 --> 00:46:39.769
Harley.

00:46:40.409 --> 00:46:42.489
Yeah, in this moment.

00:46:42.730 --> 00:46:43.529
I hate you.

00:46:47.769 --> 00:46:51.289
Why do rap artists love Christmas so much?

00:46:52.009 --> 00:46:54.329
Because of all the rapping.

00:46:56.250 --> 00:46:57.529
I should I've got my button here.

00:46:57.609 --> 00:46:58.730
I don't know if it will play.

00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:01.369
Did you guys hear it?

00:47:01.689 --> 00:47:02.009
Nah.

00:47:03.849 --> 00:47:05.369
Disarmed from your sound effects.

00:47:05.609 --> 00:47:06.409
You know what though?

00:47:06.569 --> 00:47:08.169
I think I also have a button.

00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:09.689
Oh, it's not gonna play now.

00:47:09.929 --> 00:47:11.449
No, it's telling me it won't play.

00:47:11.689 --> 00:47:12.169
Hang on.

00:47:14.409 --> 00:47:15.129
Yeah, yeah.

00:47:17.369 --> 00:47:19.289
All right, all right, all right, all right.

00:47:19.849 --> 00:47:22.889
There's a great new band called The Blank Checks.

00:47:23.369 --> 00:47:25.049
They're still unsigned.

00:47:25.449 --> 00:47:27.049
That one's that one's for you, Ben.

00:47:27.769 --> 00:47:28.730
That's good.

00:47:29.129 --> 00:47:30.169
That's clever.

00:47:31.049 --> 00:47:37.049
I feel like I'd laugh so much more if I couldn't laugh, but like half of the this game, I've sat there like this.

00:47:38.089 --> 00:47:39.929
Because I knew I couldn't laugh.

00:47:41.609 --> 00:47:46.089
What do you get when you cross a sweet potato with a jazz musician?

00:47:46.409 --> 00:47:51.129
It's a yam session, you know, when you get with your boys and you yam out.

00:47:51.369 --> 00:47:53.529
Isn't there like an innuendo in there somewhere?

00:47:55.129 --> 00:47:56.569
Yaming out with your boys.

00:47:56.649 --> 00:47:58.649
That's that's a circle jerk, isn't it?

00:47:59.210 --> 00:47:59.849
Something like that.

00:48:06.169 --> 00:48:08.409
Why was the composer busy?

00:48:08.969 --> 00:48:12.169
Because they had several scores to settle.

00:48:12.409 --> 00:48:14.489
We need that cricket sound, that's what we need.

00:48:14.809 --> 00:48:15.689
We're doing good.

00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:17.849
We we yeah, I'm proud of us, James.

00:48:18.089 --> 00:48:18.649
We're the boring.

00:48:22.329 --> 00:48:23.129
Another one.

00:48:23.929 --> 00:48:26.089
Just nodding the game.

00:48:26.730 --> 00:48:32.250
What do you call notes added to the end of a song to make it last longer?

00:48:34.169 --> 00:48:35.449
This one's for you, Chris.

00:48:36.089 --> 00:48:37.689
Extension chords.

00:48:39.609 --> 00:48:41.529
Extension chords.

00:48:42.409 --> 00:48:45.129
This was the best three dollars she's ever spent.

00:48:46.169 --> 00:48:46.730
Oh my god.

00:48:47.289 --> 00:48:49.609
What has 30 feet and sings?

00:48:51.210 --> 00:48:52.809
Christmas carolers.

00:48:54.009 --> 00:48:56.009
Because they come to your door and packs.

00:48:56.569 --> 00:48:59.289
I think if it wasn't 1 a.m., it'd be a lot harder.

00:49:02.649 --> 00:49:05.849
Oh, what do a sword and a piano have in common?

00:49:06.169 --> 00:49:08.250
They can both be sharp.

00:49:08.569 --> 00:49:10.329
These are these are Christmas cracker.

00:49:10.569 --> 00:49:15.849
Like all right, all right.

00:49:16.089 --> 00:49:18.089
I like my new guitar instructor.

00:49:18.409 --> 00:49:19.769
Guitar instructor?

00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:22.169
Guitar instructor.

00:49:23.129 --> 00:49:25.769
We struck the right chord from the start.

00:49:25.929 --> 00:49:31.689
This is really fun because I, I don't know if you guys know, have a bit of a reading handicap.

00:49:32.169 --> 00:49:35.210
I am really bad at reading.

00:49:36.169 --> 00:49:39.369
Me and my friends are in a band called Duvet.

00:49:39.929 --> 00:49:41.449
We're a cover band.

00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:43.449
You guys got duvets over there?

00:49:43.529 --> 00:49:45.929
Yeah, is that an across the pond thing?

00:49:46.169 --> 00:49:46.889
Yeah, dude.

00:49:47.289 --> 00:49:48.489
Is that a French word?

00:49:50.250 --> 00:49:51.210
It's gotta be French, in it.

00:49:51.369 --> 00:50:04.969
See, one of the things that really surprised me when I because I spent half my life in America, because my partner uh is American, and when I first went over to hers, was that like I was like, do you have like a duvet cover that you put on the duvet?

00:50:05.210 --> 00:50:07.210
She's like, No, it's just a duvet fro.

00:50:07.529 --> 00:50:14.169
And I'm like, because we have like covers, you have to like get the duvet, you have to put the cover on it, and then it otherwise, yeah.

00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:18.409
It's and she doesn't, and I'm like otherwise, it gets all stanky, and then I asked.

00:50:18.649 --> 00:50:22.089
Well, I mean, you're you know you're getting your beds ready for the queen, though.

00:50:22.329 --> 00:50:29.689
Yeah, we just in case, just in case, just never know.

00:50:31.689 --> 00:50:34.329
Um I'm gonna be real with you guys.

00:50:34.409 --> 00:50:36.409
I don't know what the fuck a duvet is.

00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:37.849
Do you actually not?

00:50:38.009 --> 00:50:41.609
I know it's yeah, like so basically, right?

00:50:41.689 --> 00:50:43.769
So a duvet blanket.

00:50:44.009 --> 00:50:50.169
Yeah, so duvet is like it's like it's it's a duvet, like oh fuck, how would it say?

00:50:50.889 --> 00:50:56.489
It's white, and you would never sleep with it without something over like covering it, right?

00:50:56.569 --> 00:50:58.730
Because it's really it would irritate you.

00:50:58.969 --> 00:51:03.289
So you go and buy these duvet covers that have like fun designs on it.

00:51:03.369 --> 00:51:10.009
Like, I'm trying to source one that's a Ouija board at the moment because I keep seeing it, but it keeps going up in price, and I'm not paying like 80 quid for a duvet cover.

00:51:10.329 --> 00:51:16.250
So you put that over, and then when it like, you know, you use it for a few nights and then you wash it.

00:51:16.569 --> 00:51:21.529
So you take the cover off, you wash the cover, and then you put a clean one on on your duvet.

00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:22.730
Okay, all right.

00:51:22.969 --> 00:51:31.449
It's like, yeah, but like when I went to my partner's, like she just has like a throw, like a like you say, a blanket, and I was like, the fuck, where's your fucking duvet?

00:51:31.689 --> 00:51:32.809
Like, what's going on?

00:51:33.049 --> 00:51:40.730
Like, and then when she came over here, I was like, I'm gonna teach you to put duvet cover on a duvet, like so so it's different than like so.

00:51:40.809 --> 00:51:43.049
We have our fitted sheets that you put on, yeah.

00:51:43.129 --> 00:51:43.769
We still have those.

00:51:44.489 --> 00:51:46.169
And then you have your regular sheet.

00:51:46.409 --> 00:51:48.649
Is it sort of like the regular sheet?

00:51:49.049 --> 00:51:51.609
Um, would you sleep under your regular sheet?

00:51:51.769 --> 00:51:52.809
Is that what you're talking about?

00:51:53.210 --> 00:51:56.329
I mean over your fitted sheet, yeah, and under your your regular sheet.

00:51:56.489 --> 00:51:58.489
Yeah, basically the same as your regular sheet, yeah.

00:51:58.809 --> 00:51:59.449
Okay, okay.

00:51:59.529 --> 00:52:00.730
Well, then that makes sense.

00:52:00.889 --> 00:52:02.089
That makes sense, yeah.

00:52:02.489 --> 00:52:02.730
Cozy.

00:52:03.049 --> 00:52:06.089
We we we we live in a cold country, so uh we have to stay home at night.

00:52:06.730 --> 00:52:08.009
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:08.730 --> 00:52:11.129
So you guys still do the the fitted sheet too, though?

00:52:11.369 --> 00:52:12.329
Yeah, yeah.

00:52:12.569 --> 00:52:14.089
Gotta have these pockets as well.

00:52:14.409 --> 00:52:17.449
We need a duvet to protect us from the monsters under the bed.

00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:21.129
James, do you sleep your feet uncovered or not?

00:52:21.449 --> 00:52:22.649
Just one question.

00:52:22.809 --> 00:52:23.129
Just one.

00:52:23.529 --> 00:52:25.049
One in one in one out.

00:52:25.369 --> 00:52:26.730
And that's me, yeah.

00:52:26.969 --> 00:52:36.009
Like my I fully like, I don't know if it's an ADHD thing or what, but my leg until I go to sleep is like oh yeah, oh yeah.

00:52:36.409 --> 00:52:38.809
Like moving until I go to sleep, it rocks me to sleep.

00:52:38.889 --> 00:52:45.289
So I'm like, and then I'll finally fall asleep, wake up in a completely different position, upside down, you know, all over the place.

00:52:45.449 --> 00:52:51.769
But yeah, like one foot out, or sometimes two if I get too hot, but one always out, and it also dangles off the side of the bed.

00:52:51.929 --> 00:52:54.250
Like it's a really weird thing that I do.

00:52:54.569 --> 00:52:57.369
Are you are you guys back sleepers or side sleepers?

00:52:58.089 --> 00:53:04.409
Whatever way, like I like you know what I get comfortable in one position and then I'm like, nope, not falling asleep here.

00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:07.849
So I try another one and I can I can sleep on my back.

00:53:08.730 --> 00:53:10.009
Such a lad thing.

00:53:10.169 --> 00:53:12.569
I can sleep on my back if I'm cupping my balls.

00:53:12.889 --> 00:53:14.009
Hey, there you go.

00:53:14.489 --> 00:53:15.529
That's the position, right?

00:53:15.609 --> 00:53:18.250
If I'm on my back, it's it's I have to, right?

00:53:18.329 --> 00:53:24.329
But if I'm on my front, I have to bring the duvet up to here, and I'm like boom against my face.

00:53:24.489 --> 00:53:26.169
So it's yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:26.250 --> 00:53:26.889
So that's that way.

00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:32.169
Or if I'm on my side, my legs are in that kind of weird position, you know, where they kind of yeah, you know what I mean?

00:53:32.250 --> 00:53:35.289
Otherwise, I can't like I look like I'm rocking in like the fetal position.

00:53:35.369 --> 00:53:36.730
That's the only way I can sleep on my side.

00:53:36.809 --> 00:53:38.009
So yeah, very particular.

00:53:38.089 --> 00:53:38.730
It's weird, isn't it?

00:53:38.889 --> 00:53:39.769
Sleeping's weird.

00:53:40.009 --> 00:53:42.569
I sleep in the exact same position every night.

00:53:42.730 --> 00:53:45.369
My wife has made fun of me for years over it.

00:53:45.689 --> 00:53:53.210
Imagine a police outline, like on a cartoon, like like a dude, like a dude fell out of a window, and the white like outline.

00:53:53.369 --> 00:53:55.049
I sleep, so I kid you not, dude.

00:53:55.129 --> 00:53:57.769
I I I make a number four with my legs.

00:53:57.929 --> 00:54:00.409
So one of them is like at an angle, one of them straight.

00:54:00.569 --> 00:54:01.129
That's amazing.

00:54:01.289 --> 00:54:05.369
And then I sleep with one arm like this, and the other one like this.

00:54:05.849 --> 00:54:08.409
It's almost like you're getting ready to do that Egyptian dance.

00:54:08.569 --> 00:54:10.329
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:10.489 --> 00:54:16.889
Every my my partner, I always joke that she's uh Morticia Adams because she sleeps, she'll sleep like that.

00:54:17.049 --> 00:54:17.529
That's crazy.

00:54:17.609 --> 00:54:17.929
That's crazy.

00:54:19.849 --> 00:54:20.730
That's terrifying.

00:54:20.889 --> 00:54:21.769
That's scary.

00:54:22.169 --> 00:54:27.210
She's she's beautiful, so it kind of works, but it's like I I wake up in the night and I'm like, oh my god, she's a vampire.

00:54:27.289 --> 00:54:28.329
Like, she's gonna eat me.

00:54:28.569 --> 00:54:30.730
Like, you know, but yeah, she sleeps very still.

00:54:31.529 --> 00:54:32.489
She looks really peaceful though.

00:54:32.649 --> 00:54:38.969
You know, night terrors into that mix, you got a pretty scary uh that's that's coffin behavior.

00:54:40.009 --> 00:54:43.929
You know, she's just practicing for years and years and years and years and years to come.

00:54:44.009 --> 00:54:47.049
Like she's just like, I know what position I'm gonna spend eternity in.

00:54:47.210 --> 00:54:49.369
So she's already well rehearsed in it.

00:54:49.529 --> 00:54:50.889
Um, but yeah.

00:54:51.210 --> 00:54:52.969
And you want to get the Ouija board.

00:54:53.289 --> 00:54:56.250
You you really are uh living a dangerous life over there.

00:54:56.329 --> 00:54:57.849
I've got have you not seen my haunted doll?

00:54:58.089 --> 00:54:59.529
I don't know if you could see it.

00:54:59.929 --> 00:55:01.929
No, should I bring her to the camera?

00:55:02.009 --> 00:55:02.889
Do you want to see my haunted doll?

00:55:03.289 --> 00:55:04.649
Absolutely.

00:55:06.250 --> 00:55:07.049
Come on, Lily.

00:55:10.009 --> 00:55:11.129
This is Lily.

00:55:12.409 --> 00:55:12.969
Oh my god.

00:55:13.369 --> 00:55:15.929
She's fully haunted, like she's she's possessed.

00:55:16.250 --> 00:55:16.969
I love this.

00:55:17.129 --> 00:55:18.009
I love this 100%.

00:55:18.329 --> 00:55:19.049
I love this.

00:55:19.369 --> 00:55:22.250
She moves, and uh it's uh yeah, quite.

00:55:22.489 --> 00:55:28.409
I mean, I don't get freaked out by I love all of the like paranormal stuff, but she moves, so she quite often she'll move her arms, like so.

00:55:28.489 --> 00:55:33.849
She'll be sitting, she holds my uh uh uh less than J compoling for soup AAA pass that I've got.

00:55:34.089 --> 00:55:34.569
Oh nice.

00:55:34.809 --> 00:55:39.049
Uh there's times where because she she holds it with both her arms, and like there's times where her arms up like that.

00:55:39.129 --> 00:55:41.049
And I am I mean I live here alone, you know.

00:55:41.129 --> 00:55:47.769
My kid's not been here all week, and she's moved around and or she's moved slightly and moved the cups, and yeah, she moves quite a bit.

00:55:48.009 --> 00:55:50.889
Um she's a she's a freaky little thing, but you know.

00:55:51.449 --> 00:55:53.210
Great, great question here.

00:55:53.369 --> 00:55:55.369
Ghosts, you guys believe in ghosts?

00:55:55.529 --> 00:55:58.489
Obviously, Ben, you believe in ghosts, James?

00:55:58.730 --> 00:55:59.609
Ghosts.

00:56:00.089 --> 00:56:01.769
Uh I go through phases.

00:56:01.849 --> 00:56:04.809
I did at one point, but I think these days, no.

00:56:05.049 --> 00:56:10.009
Um, it's an interesting you know, up and down that you go through.

00:56:10.250 --> 00:56:14.889
Um, but yeah, there was a time when I did, but nowadays not so much.

00:56:15.289 --> 00:56:19.769
I want ghosts to be real, like truly want to be real.

00:56:19.929 --> 00:56:20.649
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:20.889 --> 00:56:22.169
But I'm in the same camp.

00:56:22.250 --> 00:56:24.649
I I'm finding it harder to believe.

00:56:25.369 --> 00:56:35.689
I think so much nonsense out there on on the hundred percent fake paranormal programs and things that just kind of lost all credibility, and that's put me off.

00:56:36.169 --> 00:56:38.889
The the the the paranormal industry, this is fixed.

00:56:38.969 --> 00:56:43.129
So I do obviously, and I've had my own experiences, and I but I do not sit here.

00:56:43.289 --> 00:56:49.529
I there's no point, there's there's no I I don't have any insult by going, oh, you guys are idiots, you don't believe.

00:56:49.689 --> 00:56:53.689
Like I've seen stuff that cannot be explained, it literally can't be explained, you know.

00:56:53.769 --> 00:57:00.250
Um, I've seen people behind me in rooms and like clear as day that aren't there, you know, when I'm in a house on my own.

00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:10.489
And there's a really cool experience in this house where I was on the phone to Danny actually, and um my kid's toy upstairs started going off.

00:57:10.569 --> 00:57:11.929
So I was like, the fuck is that?

00:57:12.009 --> 00:57:17.689
So I went upstairs, it was going across his kid, his base's bedroom floor, like just walking across the bedroom floor.

00:57:17.769 --> 00:57:19.129
I was like, okay, that's weird.

00:57:19.289 --> 00:57:21.769
So I picked it up, turned it off, made sure it was all off.

00:57:21.929 --> 00:57:24.730
It you know, but it wasn't one of these toys that really moved on its own.

00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:26.730
It was like, you know, and it's never done it since.

00:57:26.969 --> 00:57:31.049
But my kitchen light doesn't work, and it hasn't worked for about two years.

00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:41.849
And I don't fix it because I quite like the ambience of not having like my bathroom goes into the kitchen, so the light from there and the living room makes a really nice ambient light in the kitchen when you're cooking and stuff.

00:57:41.929 --> 00:57:45.369
It's quite nice, it's a nice little, you know, it's the right, right brightness.

00:57:45.529 --> 00:57:52.489
Um, and it's one of those tube lights that I don't know if it's the light that the bulb or the there's a part to it that might be broken.

00:57:52.649 --> 00:57:53.849
I can't be asked to work it out.

00:57:54.009 --> 00:57:55.929
So, anyway, it's not worth it for two years.

00:57:56.089 --> 00:58:07.449
On the phone to Danny, all this happened, and then I was talking about how I've swear I've seen that kitchen light come on before, and it as soon as I said it, just came on, just turned on.

00:58:07.609 --> 00:58:08.809
And I'm like interesting.

00:58:09.049 --> 00:58:11.849
So I turn it off, turn it back on, nothing.

00:58:12.009 --> 00:58:20.969
A few days later, I was telling my partner and her sister about it, and as as I was, and I was I was I smoke at the back door, it's my bad habit in life of smoking.

00:58:21.210 --> 00:58:22.969
If you're a vocalist, don't smoke, I shouldn't.

00:58:23.049 --> 00:58:23.929
I wish I didn't.

00:58:24.009 --> 00:58:38.009
Um, but smoking and I was lent against the wall, and the switch was like literally, you know, it's it's not I'm I'm too low to touch it, but it's like there, and I'm like lent against the wall, and I'm telling them about it, and I heard it like that, just switch on, light comes on.

00:58:38.169 --> 00:58:53.449
So I'm like, okay, turn it off, it's never come back on since, like never, you know, in the last two years, it's not been on, but it's just crazy, like, but when you experience stuff, it's really easy to be a believer.

00:58:53.689 --> 00:59:09.529
Um, but if you haven't, I get with the way the paranormal industry is why you wouldn't, because it's full of strange, yeah, strange people, strange stories, creepy pastors, all of that has kind of ruined the paranormal industry.

00:59:09.689 --> 00:59:11.049
And there's a few that I recommend.

00:59:11.289 --> 00:59:13.449
I recommend the guys of Project Fear.

00:59:13.689 --> 00:59:16.969
Um, if you watch Project Fear, I think they are absolutely amazing.

00:59:17.049 --> 00:59:21.609
And I genuinely have done so much research on them that I would say legit what they find.

00:59:21.769 --> 00:59:28.009
I mean, they do episodes on YouTube now, and they do episodes where nothing fucking happens for an hour, you know.

00:59:28.169 --> 00:59:36.329
Like, but at the same time, like they want you to see that sometimes it's not all about you know seeing apparitions and seeing, you know, and hearing things and stuff.

00:59:36.489 --> 00:59:39.449
So um, but there's a lot of them that I just I just don't believe.

00:59:40.089 --> 00:59:44.489
I always think with these programs, like if it was real, you wouldn't have to turn the lights off.

00:59:45.289 --> 00:59:53.369
Yeah, but no, that the thing is it's in the light, you turn the lights off to make people uneasy, which creates suggestion, and then people think I get that.

00:59:53.449 --> 00:59:56.089
I get that, but I also think there's more to it than just suggestion.

00:59:56.250 --> 01:00:02.889
I think there's a lot of like you know, the night vision cameras pick up a lot more because of color, the colour frequencies.

01:00:03.129 --> 01:00:06.809
Um you know, I I mean I've seen stuff in the light.

01:00:06.889 --> 01:00:14.329
I mean, as a kid, some of my scariest moments in the house I grew up in, it was like this black figure that just a shadow figure that I used to see all the time.

01:00:14.409 --> 01:00:19.049
And uh ruined it for 100% for genuine people.

01:00:19.129 --> 01:00:21.289
Yeah, we had one here in the UK called Most Haunted.

01:00:21.529 --> 01:00:22.489
It was a joke, yeah.

01:00:22.730 --> 01:00:38.250
It was, I mean, I I knew someone that worked on production for them, and if the episodes they they didn't fake everything, but if things were quiet on the episode, it was oh you get some marbles and just throw them, you know, do that just to just to make you know scare the presenters and make them think something's happening, right?

01:00:38.489 --> 01:00:42.089
Right, it makes you really not believe any of it, you know.

01:00:42.169 --> 01:00:43.929
So I totally understand that.

01:00:44.489 --> 01:00:54.809
My my theory has always been that if you've had an experience and you truly like believe in ghosts.

01:00:55.049 --> 01:01:02.089
Uh me personally, if that happened to me, the rest of my life it's all I would ever bring up to everybody that I ever come in contact with.

01:01:02.169 --> 01:01:08.809
Because now I'm like, I can now prove the existence of something after this life, which is monumental.

01:01:09.129 --> 01:01:10.489
We're all seeking, yeah.

01:01:10.649 --> 01:01:14.730
Yeah, see, I just don't know what it is though, and that's that's the other thing I'm gonna say to you.

01:01:14.889 --> 01:01:17.210
I'm not sure if it is a lost spirit or something.

01:01:17.289 --> 01:01:18.169
I don't know what it is.

01:01:18.250 --> 01:01:21.129
Like there's a lot of stuff, but this is it.

01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:35.849
I mean, there's so much that it's as we go along in time, we're in a really horrible, like we're in the most bleak, beautiful time in history where technology is coming along so much, but there's also so much crap in the world that I don't think all of us don't want to deal with.

01:01:36.169 --> 01:01:47.129
And I think that the more we find out about the universe and things like that, and you know, different dimensions and stuff like that, that the more we're gonna understand.

01:01:47.529 --> 01:01:50.089
But at the moment, I think it's the unknowing.

01:01:50.250 --> 01:01:57.529
But I couldn't sit there and tell you that there's a soldier that died in World War II walking around my house, and you know, because I don't know if that's what it is, I just don't know.

01:01:57.689 --> 01:02:01.129
Um, but I just know that I've seen stuff that I cannot explain.

01:02:01.369 --> 01:02:06.730
I know things have happened that I cannot explain, and for that, it makes me a believer.

01:02:07.129 --> 01:02:16.489
Hey, hearing it from a regular person instead of a TV show does push me a little more towards the belief side, you know what I mean?

01:02:16.649 --> 01:02:22.009
Hearing hearing those types of stories do tend to push you more towards that way.

01:02:22.329 --> 01:02:28.250
Um, my other thing is like, why is it always an old ass ghost?

01:02:28.489 --> 01:02:33.210
Why is there never like a modern day yeah?

01:02:33.769 --> 01:02:39.289
There is, and I think that's the other thing, but there is, and that's that that's the other thing.

01:02:39.369 --> 01:02:41.849
But I do again, a lot of these psych.

01:02:42.169 --> 01:02:43.769
So I went on a ghost night, right?

01:02:43.929 --> 01:02:46.730
And this psychic, and it was the worst fucking nightmare.

01:02:46.889 --> 01:02:48.730
I ended up nearly punching the psychic, right?

01:02:48.889 --> 01:02:50.889
He didn't see it coming either, which is crazy.

01:02:51.129 --> 01:02:53.769
Um you believe me to the joke.

01:02:54.009 --> 01:02:54.730
God damn.

01:02:54.969 --> 01:02:57.369
Um, but anyway, so we we went to this place near it.

01:02:57.449 --> 01:03:02.809
That's it's literally like five minutes away from me now, and it's a an old knitting factory, okay?

01:03:03.049 --> 01:03:04.889
Now I went there once with my family.

01:03:05.049 --> 01:03:06.329
We went and did a ghost night.

01:03:06.409 --> 01:03:13.929
My my stepdad and my mum, they actually taught me to do something called glass moving, which I I can do, and I can make a glass move just by energy.

01:03:14.089 --> 01:03:22.169
And I don't know what it is, I don't know how it works, but we can get to the point where you can lift all your fingers off and a glass is moving, still yes or no to whoever, and it's it's weird, right?

01:03:22.969 --> 01:03:27.609
Um, anyway, it's creepy as fucking, but like when I was younger, I was obsessed.

01:03:27.689 --> 01:03:31.129
But so we went to this factory, and the weirdest thing happened.

01:03:31.210 --> 01:03:33.529
Me and my stepdad were the only two, we'd only just got there.

01:03:33.609 --> 01:03:35.129
The first thing we did was a Ouija board.

01:03:35.210 --> 01:03:37.609
It's spelled out the name of someone, right?

01:03:38.169 --> 01:03:42.489
They gave they give you breaks during these ghost nights that we you do at this place.

01:03:42.649 --> 01:03:55.049
So we went outside and I'm smoking a cigarette, and we read a plaque on the wall on the outside, and it said the last master hosier or hosier or whatever that word would be, and it said the guy's name that had just come through on the Ouija board, right?

01:03:55.210 --> 01:03:56.089
Creepy as fuck.

01:03:56.169 --> 01:04:05.609
So I got a real big kind of affiliation with this building because I was like, that was cool, and there was a lot of things that happened that night that I then went and researched and could match up.

01:04:05.689 --> 01:04:16.089
Like there was I could feel the sensation of burning at one point in the child's bedroom, and I found out that there was a fire and the child had died from you know, fire inhalation.

01:04:16.169 --> 01:04:18.409
But inhalation is that the word anyway.

01:04:18.569 --> 01:04:18.969
I think so.

01:04:19.210 --> 01:04:22.730
Um, I went back there a couple of years later with a friend, right?

01:04:22.969 --> 01:04:24.009
This fucking psychic.

01:04:24.089 --> 01:04:24.889
Sorry, we allowed to.

01:04:24.969 --> 01:04:28.169
I did I I've been reading not to swear until the last like five minutes, by the way.

01:04:28.250 --> 01:04:29.529
Oh, yeah, you can say anything you want.

01:04:29.689 --> 01:04:30.409
It's way too late.

01:04:31.129 --> 01:04:34.250
Um, but yeah, so this fucking psychic, right?

01:04:34.489 --> 01:04:40.409
He's there, we're up in the attic, and he's going, There's a man in here, he's not a very nice man, he's killed people.

01:04:40.569 --> 01:04:44.809
I was like, it's a fucking knitting museum, like it used to be a knitting factory.

01:04:44.889 --> 01:04:45.369
What's he doing?

01:04:45.449 --> 01:04:47.449
Like, you know, grabbing the knitting needles and like killing people.

01:04:47.529 --> 01:04:49.529
He's like, Yeah, he bullies the women, goes here.

01:04:49.609 --> 01:04:53.449
And and anyway, we end up doing something called the human pendulum.

01:04:53.529 --> 01:04:54.409
I don't believe it.

01:04:54.489 --> 01:05:00.569
I think anything where the human can be the vessel means that it's open and could be interpreted as manipulation.

01:05:00.889 --> 01:05:05.769
And just so happens, this twat of a psychic is like, I'll be the pendulum.

01:05:06.009 --> 01:05:08.409
So I'm like, Yeah, of course you fucking will.

01:05:08.489 --> 01:05:10.969
It's like, right, lean, yes, that way or no that way.

01:05:11.049 --> 01:05:12.969
So this, you know, are you nice?

01:05:13.210 --> 01:05:13.529
No.

01:05:13.769 --> 01:05:15.289
Um, are you trying to kill people?

01:05:15.449 --> 01:05:15.689
Yes.

01:05:15.769 --> 01:05:17.689
And I so I was like, screw this, right?

01:05:17.769 --> 01:05:18.809
I'm not, I'm not having this.

01:05:18.889 --> 01:05:27.529
So I walk downstairs, I'm in the building all on my own, right in the basement, and I start doing some EVPs, and I caught something as an EVP when I asked the name of whoever it was.

01:05:27.689 --> 01:05:33.129
It's not recognizable what they say, but somebody definitely responds, and it's really, really cool.

01:05:33.289 --> 01:05:34.089
That's awesome.

01:05:34.649 --> 01:05:36.489
The whole night, I'll have to find it, I'll send you it.

01:05:36.569 --> 01:05:38.409
It's it's the most bizarre thing.

01:05:38.569 --> 01:05:42.809
But the whole night, this psychic is winding me up, and I'm like, I'm gonna hit him.

01:05:42.969 --> 01:05:46.649
I'm gonna hit him because he's just what a ludicrous story.

01:05:46.889 --> 01:05:47.529
Sorry.

01:05:47.689 --> 01:05:56.009
Um, it's so ludicrous that like you're in a knitting factory and you're telling me that this mass murderer is going around being killing people and hiding the bodies in the attic.

01:05:56.169 --> 01:05:59.289
Like, come on, you know, Googled it.

01:05:59.449 --> 01:06:04.329
There's no evidence, no, and the guy that apparently who it was, no one's ever heard of.

01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:07.289
The guy made him up, and he's oh, it's just it wow me up.

01:06:07.369 --> 01:06:13.609
But that's why people hate the paranormal sector because there's people like that out there that ruin it for everybody, you know?

01:06:14.089 --> 01:06:15.129
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:15.529 --> 01:06:19.449
I I want to do more like ghost type stuff.

01:06:19.689 --> 01:06:27.049
Um, one idea that I've had for the show that we haven't been able to line up yet is to do an interview with a band.

01:06:27.609 --> 01:06:29.769
In a haunted house overnight.

01:06:29.929 --> 01:06:30.089
Yeah.

01:06:30.409 --> 01:06:36.009
So like you spend the night and then you sit there and interview the band and tell ghost stories all night.

01:06:36.169 --> 01:06:37.849
I think that would be so fun.

01:06:38.169 --> 01:06:42.809
Plus, if you did it with us, you could still go to bed at a reasonable time.

01:06:46.809 --> 01:06:49.289
Perts of us being in the UK.

01:06:51.129 --> 01:06:52.169
I'd love I love the idea.

01:06:52.250 --> 01:06:57.210
So I have this idea of doing a ghost night where I don't tell anyone where I'm going at all.

01:06:57.369 --> 01:07:04.250
So I'm the only one there with a camera and the only person that knows that I'm doing it, they don't know where I am.

01:07:04.409 --> 01:07:09.289
They just know that if I haven't called them at like we'll say 11 pm, 2 a.m.

01:07:09.609 --> 01:07:17.529
4 a.m., that they then need to turn on a tracker or something to say, oh, that's where he is, or they need to ring and we need to figure out that I'm safe.

01:07:17.689 --> 01:07:27.929
But the whole point is to be as vulnerable as possible in a building that's renowned for being you know haunted and seeing what you capture when you're completely alone and shut off from anyone.

01:07:28.089 --> 01:07:29.210
And I'd love to do it.

01:07:29.289 --> 01:07:31.049
So yeah, that's dude.

01:07:31.210 --> 01:07:31.529
Yeah.

01:07:31.689 --> 01:07:33.129
I'm so in.

01:07:33.769 --> 01:07:35.049
It's gonna be fun.

01:07:35.369 --> 01:07:36.569
James, you in?

01:07:36.809 --> 01:07:37.449
Oh yeah.

01:07:37.689 --> 01:07:41.049
Just send we'll just send James on a boat somewhere and be like, you can go on a haunted boat.

01:07:41.210 --> 01:07:42.489
You'd be fine on that.

01:07:45.929 --> 01:07:46.649
All right, all right.

01:07:46.730 --> 01:07:49.689
I'm gonna read this one last one and then we're gonna we're gonna finish this up.

01:07:50.730 --> 01:07:57.769
Which music ensemble has a whale of a time in Orc astra?

01:07:59.529 --> 01:08:02.649
As soon as you said orc, I knew what you were where we were going with it.

01:08:02.730 --> 01:08:03.849
I knew, I knew.

01:08:04.089 --> 01:08:05.929
See, shouldn't it be orca?

01:08:07.210 --> 01:08:10.169
Yeah, I wanted to put the emphasis somewhere else, though.

01:08:10.489 --> 01:08:11.849
It just felt right.

01:08:12.569 --> 01:08:14.009
Anyways, guys.

01:08:14.409 --> 01:08:15.449
Those are beautiful.

01:08:15.609 --> 01:08:16.489
I love that.

01:08:16.970 --> 01:08:18.810
Gold State is the band.

01:08:19.449 --> 01:08:23.130
Ben, James, thank you so much for hanging out with us today.

01:08:23.289 --> 01:08:25.609
This has been one of my favorite episodes, truly.

01:08:25.770 --> 01:08:28.409
Like this is I could do this for hours, man.

01:08:28.489 --> 01:08:29.770
Just just hanging out and talking.

01:08:29.850 --> 01:08:30.090
Yeah.

01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:33.289
Harley, you're on BSB at some point.

01:08:33.369 --> 01:08:34.489
Let's uh ping me an email.

01:08:34.649 --> 01:08:35.770
Any ping on my email?

01:08:36.010 --> 01:08:36.489
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:36.649 --> 01:08:38.170
Anytime, literally anytime.

01:08:38.409 --> 01:08:39.210
Absolutely.

01:08:39.449 --> 01:08:42.970
Um, BSB is the show, Gold State is the band.

01:08:43.289 --> 01:08:44.889
Check out everything.

01:08:45.130 --> 01:08:48.010
Um, do Vay covers, get your duvet covers.

01:08:48.090 --> 01:08:49.210
That should be March.

01:08:50.329 --> 01:08:54.489
Uh, so are you guys doing any shows, any upcoming shows?

01:08:55.529 --> 01:08:57.210
This will be in March.

01:08:57.449 --> 01:08:58.569
Yeah, watch this space.

01:08:58.649 --> 01:08:59.689
Yeah, maybe.

01:08:59.929 --> 01:09:05.289
There's there's some stuff going on with Manicat Records that we aren't at liberty to discuss publicly right now.

01:09:05.369 --> 01:09:07.369
But Peter's gonna watch this back, isn't he?

01:09:07.449 --> 01:09:07.769
Hi, Peter.

01:09:07.849 --> 01:09:10.569
You're absolutely absolutely Peter, you're sure.

01:09:10.729 --> 01:09:13.609
Uh no, anyway, we're gonna have Peter on the show here soon.

01:09:13.689 --> 01:09:17.449
So if you guys, yeah, if you have any fun stories, shoot him my way.

01:09:17.849 --> 01:09:19.210
Get him a booster seat, all right?

01:09:19.369 --> 01:09:20.170
So you can see.

01:09:20.329 --> 01:09:23.050
Um, no, he's Peter is an amazing human being.

01:09:23.210 --> 01:09:23.929
Absolutely love him.

01:09:24.090 --> 01:09:26.970
He's become like one of my best friends in this crazy industry.

01:09:27.130 --> 01:09:31.369
But um, yeah, we're working on some stuff, um, some really cool stuff in the UK.

01:09:31.529 --> 01:09:33.369
Um, watch this space and that.

01:09:33.529 --> 01:09:36.489
We've got another song drop in in April.

01:09:36.729 --> 01:09:38.809
Oh, called Blessing in Disguise.

01:09:38.889 --> 01:09:40.649
And this is the first place we've publicly said it.

01:09:40.729 --> 01:09:41.289
So there you go.

01:09:41.449 --> 01:09:41.929
Oh yeah.

01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:43.849
Um, that's really, really cool.

01:09:44.010 --> 01:09:45.689
Um, so yeah, look out for that.

01:09:45.849 --> 01:09:55.449
That's uh yeah, and there is, as it stands, there is a music video for that, um, which I'm not happy about because I was about Freestone Heavier when we shot it.

01:09:55.609 --> 01:10:01.769
So uh yeah, not looking forward to that coming out, but it will do um from our friends at Shark Room Productions as well.

01:10:01.849 --> 01:10:03.050
Shout out to Shark Room.

01:10:03.130 --> 01:10:04.889
Um, so yeah, look out for that.

01:10:05.130 --> 01:10:06.329
Hell yeah, awesome.

01:10:06.489 --> 01:10:08.970
Well, hey guys, thanks for hanging out with us today.

01:10:09.130 --> 01:10:10.250
We really appreciate it.

01:10:10.329 --> 01:10:14.329
I know it's late on your end, so um, thanks again, man.

01:10:14.409 --> 01:10:15.609
Really appreciate you guys having us.

01:10:15.849 --> 01:10:16.489
Hey, same.

01:10:16.569 --> 01:10:17.210
Thank you for having us.

01:10:17.289 --> 01:10:19.529
We've had an absolute blast, and we'll come back anytime.

01:10:19.689 --> 01:10:20.729
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:20.889 --> 01:10:21.210
Love it.

01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:28.649
And let us know when you're doing the ghost night show and we'll we'll figure out with the lights on, yeah, with the lights on.

01:10:30.809 --> 01:10:32.649
Under the cover.

01:10:34.170 --> 01:10:35.689
All right, have a great one, man.

01:10:35.769 --> 01:10:36.409
I'll see you guys later.

01:10:38.090 --> 01:10:41.130
All right, that was Gold State, everybody.

01:10:41.449 --> 01:10:43.689
Chris, how do you feel?

01:10:44.809 --> 01:10:53.050
Well, obviously, my voice is going out, so I would have said a whole lot more, but uh yeah, no, there's some pretty fun dudes.

01:10:53.289 --> 01:10:58.809
Enough to uh to sway your your UK opinions, of course.

01:11:00.409 --> 01:11:02.170
I could see you lighting up the whole time.

01:11:02.250 --> 01:11:06.569
I was like, ooh, by the end of this, Chris is gonna be like, you know, the UK is actually pretty cool, pretty cool place.

01:11:06.649 --> 01:11:08.569
Like everybody's pretty cool over there.

01:11:10.729 --> 01:11:12.970
Uh no, they're awesome, man.

01:11:13.050 --> 01:11:25.769
I I didn't realize until I started looking into the band that they were the same guys that I had talked to before about being on their show um and and doing some stuff with them.

01:11:25.849 --> 01:11:26.809
So that's pretty cool.

01:11:26.889 --> 01:11:27.769
I didn't realize it.

01:11:28.170 --> 01:11:32.649
I've never heard of their show, but I will be doing a deep dive.

01:11:32.889 --> 01:11:34.250
Yeah, it's it's really cool.

01:11:34.329 --> 01:11:39.689
It's like a uh really cool way to open up the industry to new artists.

01:11:39.929 --> 01:11:44.090
Um no, they they're awesome, dude.

01:11:44.170 --> 01:11:45.289
I I absolutely love that.

01:11:45.369 --> 01:11:46.489
That was that was great.

01:11:46.649 --> 01:11:47.769
That was great.

01:11:48.090 --> 01:11:51.289
Uh we are still live, so careful.

01:11:51.609 --> 01:11:52.489
Oh, I know.

01:11:52.729 --> 01:11:53.529
I see it.

01:11:53.769 --> 01:11:54.809
I'm waiting.

01:11:55.050 --> 01:12:01.210
Um, as always, everybody, please go check out the Instagram, give us a follow over there.

01:12:01.529 --> 01:12:05.130
Uh go to the YouTube page, subscribe.

01:12:05.529 --> 01:12:07.210
Um, our Patreon.

01:12:07.369 --> 01:12:09.609
I gotta promote our Patreon now.

01:12:09.689 --> 01:12:11.689
We've got all kinds of stuff going on over there.

01:12:11.769 --> 01:12:12.970
Let me take a drink real quick, though.

01:12:13.130 --> 01:12:14.889
Is it a screwdriver?

01:12:15.289 --> 01:12:16.170
Coffee.

01:12:17.130 --> 01:12:17.769
What is it?

01:12:18.090 --> 01:12:20.809
Um, it's brown.

01:12:21.449 --> 01:12:34.090
Anyways, anyways, so over on our Patreon, if you sign up for the five dollar a month tier, we call it the music enthusiast tier, you'll get some really cool benefits over there.

01:12:34.250 --> 01:12:41.449
One of which is you get to pick a list and all of the songs on that list for us to go over on the show.

01:12:41.609 --> 01:12:44.489
Another one is early access to our guests.

01:12:44.729 --> 01:12:58.809
So over there, I will put up a post that outlines who's coming on the show, the background of the band, and then you can go on and comment a question that you would like us to ask that band.

01:12:59.210 --> 01:13:03.529
When we ask that question, we give you a shout-out for asking the question.

01:13:03.689 --> 01:13:05.130
And it can be anything you want.

01:13:05.289 --> 01:13:07.529
Whatever you say on there is what I'm gonna ask.

01:13:07.769 --> 01:13:11.449
The other thing that I want to start doing is uh bonus show.

01:13:11.609 --> 01:13:16.250
So I would like us to do um something on there.

01:13:16.329 --> 01:13:17.289
I don't know what yet.

01:13:17.529 --> 01:13:19.609
If you have suggestions, feel free to reach out.

01:13:19.769 --> 01:13:31.849
Uh, but more importantly, the the most important aspect of the Patreon is if you want to sign up for the free one, it's developing the community and giving you guys a place, all of the fans a place to talk.

01:13:32.090 --> 01:13:37.929
So, like we have different fans that'll reach out to me directly, we have fans that'll reach out to Taylor directly.

01:13:38.090 --> 01:13:41.369
I'm sure Chris has people that listen that reach out to him directly.

01:13:41.609 --> 01:13:54.489
If you sign up for the Patreon, we all get to converse together as a community, and you can find other like-minded people that listen to this show that maybe enjoy music that you can kind of bounce stuff off of.

01:13:54.729 --> 01:14:05.689
The other thing is in this community, if you are a musician or interested in music or are an aspiring musician, there are people within the industry in our Patreon.

01:14:06.090 --> 01:14:13.369
So great way to connect and and build rapport within the industry, if you catch what I'm saying.

01:14:13.529 --> 01:14:14.409
Was that was that good?

01:14:14.489 --> 01:14:15.849
Is that a bad promo?

01:14:16.809 --> 01:14:17.769
No, it was good.

01:14:17.929 --> 01:14:18.329
It was good.

01:14:18.489 --> 01:14:21.130
I'm not I'm not good at promoting stuff.

01:14:22.889 --> 01:14:25.609
Go go to go to Patreon, check it out.

01:14:26.250 --> 01:14:26.569
Check it out.

01:14:26.809 --> 01:14:30.329
Go over car goes real good on Patreon.

01:14:32.250 --> 01:14:34.010
Um, you know, all that stuff.

01:14:34.090 --> 01:14:37.130
Like, subscribe, all the stuff that Taylor usually tells you at the end of the show.

01:14:37.289 --> 01:14:38.729
Do all that stuff for us.

01:14:38.970 --> 01:14:45.130
Uh I've been instructed that I shouldn't say to do it because it helps us out.

01:14:45.210 --> 01:14:50.649
I should instruct people to do it for another reason, but I forget what that reason was.

01:14:51.130 --> 01:14:53.529
Do it for the starving children in Africa.

01:14:53.769 --> 01:14:56.010
I'm I'm a bad liar.

01:14:56.569 --> 01:14:57.050
Yeah.

01:14:57.289 --> 01:15:06.409
It was something along the lines of like you should do it and and tell the audience that like you're doing it because you you love the show and you want more of the show.

01:15:07.369 --> 01:15:12.010
But realistically, it's just a benefit to help us out.

01:15:12.170 --> 01:15:15.689
And but the the chatting thing I I hold strongly to.

01:15:15.849 --> 01:15:27.050
Like, I think that's a good idea, even if you sign up for the free one, like you get access to that chat, and I think it will be good for industry people to talk to industry people.

01:15:27.449 --> 01:15:32.010
So or just to get on there and tell me or Harley, we have stupid faces.

01:15:32.250 --> 01:15:32.889
That too.

01:15:33.050 --> 01:15:33.689
That too.

01:15:34.329 --> 01:15:40.170
Uh, but you'll you'll be able to talk to me over there, you'll be able to talk to Chris over there, you'll be able to talk to Taylor over there.

01:15:40.329 --> 01:15:44.649
Um, you'll be able to talk to uh Danny over there.

01:15:44.889 --> 01:15:47.369
Um, that is all of our staff.

01:15:47.769 --> 01:15:50.729
Uh my wife will not be on there.

01:15:50.889 --> 01:15:52.250
Um, she might be on there.

01:15:52.329 --> 01:15:52.809
I don't know.

01:15:52.970 --> 01:15:58.170
She hasn't said yay or nay yet to signing up, but she might be on there, so you might be able to talk to Lindsay.

01:15:58.409 --> 01:16:08.649
Um, but you'll also be able to talk to like people who are fans of the individual things that we do and kind of develop that community.

01:16:08.970 --> 01:16:10.569
So yeah.

01:16:10.889 --> 01:16:11.449
That's it.

01:16:11.529 --> 01:16:12.729
That's all I got.

01:16:14.489 --> 01:16:16.970
Well, what he's getting at is come give us a shout.

01:16:17.210 --> 01:16:18.250
Come give us a shout.

01:16:18.970 --> 01:16:21.609
What I'm getting at is just come hang out, man.

01:16:21.769 --> 01:16:24.010
We we just we're just looking for friends.

01:16:24.170 --> 01:16:26.649
I just I just want a friend.

01:16:27.769 --> 01:16:32.970
It's not it's a nice thing when people reach out and they're like, love the show.

01:16:33.929 --> 01:16:40.170
Well, my thing is is you know, if you have suggestions, things of that nature, let us know.

01:16:40.409 --> 01:16:41.130
Oh yeah.

01:16:41.529 --> 01:16:44.569
It's a it's a pretty fluid setup we have where yeah, yeah.

01:16:44.729 --> 01:16:45.369
Hey, you know what?

01:16:45.449 --> 01:16:46.649
We might love it too.

01:16:46.970 --> 01:16:50.489
Yeah, this is episode 186.

01:16:50.970 --> 01:16:54.649
So like 186 times we've we've just kind of done this on our own.

01:16:54.809 --> 01:16:56.729
That's a lot of ideas, man.

01:16:56.809 --> 01:17:00.729
That's we're um we're only so many brains.

01:17:01.849 --> 01:17:03.050
Especially with the lists.

01:17:03.130 --> 01:17:10.409
Like, I'm at a point with the lists where I'm like, what if we talked about metal pop punk core rap?

01:17:13.449 --> 01:17:18.329
And for some reason, fucking uh uh uh uh Hannah Montana.

01:17:18.409 --> 01:17:19.609
Who's Hannah Montana?

01:17:19.849 --> 01:17:21.369
Um Miley Cyrus.

01:17:21.449 --> 01:17:24.649
For some reason, that Miley Cyrus song is always on every list.

01:17:24.809 --> 01:17:28.809
Every time I try to do a list, it's like uh what's that song that she has?

01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:29.929
Party in the USA.

01:17:30.329 --> 01:17:33.609
Yeah, it's on every list, it's a good song.

01:17:34.170 --> 01:17:35.449
I hate to admit it.

01:17:35.689 --> 01:17:39.449
It's catching probably on the other list that everybody's talking about right now.

01:17:42.010 --> 01:17:44.170
Oh shut up.

01:17:44.250 --> 01:17:45.369
Oh god, I got it.

01:17:45.609 --> 01:17:46.409
I got it.

01:17:49.609 --> 01:17:52.170
I do apologize for my voice, everybody.

01:17:53.210 --> 01:17:54.809
You sound great, man.

01:17:55.289 --> 01:17:56.809
Uh all right.

01:17:57.050 --> 01:17:59.050
Well, it has been real.

01:17:59.529 --> 01:18:01.689
It's time for Chris's favorite sign off.

01:18:02.010 --> 01:18:03.210
Howdly doodly.

01:18:03.529 --> 01:18:04.170
Peace.

01:18:04.489 --> 01:18:05.289
Peace.

01:18:06.889 --> 01:18:10.569
Thanks for listening to the Lokin Bridge Podcast.