March 16, 2026

An Inside Look at the Music Industry : Peter James

An Inside Look at the Music Industry : Peter James

Send in your music story! The fastest way to get ignored in the music industry is to confuse attention with momentum. We’re joined by Peter James, the owner and operator behind Manicat Records, and he gets brutally clear about what actually makes an artist worth betting on. The songs matter, but so does the human being behind them. If you’re impossible to work with, the “deal” turns into a long-term headache, and Peter explains why that’s a hard no no matter how talented someone is. Fr...

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Season 2

Send in your music story!

The fastest way to get ignored in the music industry is to confuse attention with momentum. We’re joined by Peter James, the owner and operator behind Manicat Records, and he gets brutally clear about what actually makes an artist worth betting on. The songs matter, but so does the human being behind them. If you’re impossible to work with, the “deal” turns into a long-term headache, and Peter explains why that’s a hard no no matter how talented someone is. 

From A&R scouting and artist development to touring, branding, and social media marketing for musicians, we talk about what separates a band that breaks through from one that burns out. Peter frames social media as “touring without touring,” then pushes back on the idea that algorithms can rescue weak music. We also get into why he built Manicat in response to a broken system that treats artists like commodities, and how he tries to build a culture where teams move fast and bands actually connect with each other. 

We go further into the modern mess: accessibility, copying, and the ethics of AI in music and design. Peter shares how he views AI tools as a limited business convenience while still defending human craft, credit, and community. Then we lighten it up with anniversary-show chaos, studio stories, and the Ryan Cabrera “On The Way Down” collaboration details before closing with our mixtape-style game. 

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00:00 - Welcome And Guest Introduction

02:52 - How Manicat Scouts New Artists

05:05 - When Fame Becomes A Red Flag

06:11 - Pride Stories And The Grind

08:24 - Jumping On Tracks Without Credit

11:30 - The 10-Year Anniversary Show Stories

17:14 - Social Media As Visibility

25:04 - Why He Built The Label

29:55 - Artists As Commodities And Accessibility

32:52 - AI In Music And Business

35:16 - Work Hours, Unplugging, Team Culture

39:48 - The Internship Interview From Hell

43:09 - What He Looks For In Hires

44:36 - Advice For Artists And Label Dreamers

47:16 - Mascot Talk And Upcoming Moves

49:18 - Ryan Cabrera Collab Origin Story

55:01 - Mixtape Game And Music Debates

01:05:18 - Peter Wraps And Says Goodbye

01:05:57 - Host Debrief And Patreon Chaos

01:18:09 - Final Plug For Manicat Artists

01:20:23 - Closing Lines And Sign-Off

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I'm the worst person to have a podcast.

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I think they're up, everybody.

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Welcome back to the show.

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I am your host, Harley, joined by my two co-hosts, Chris and Taylor.

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And uh year in the long making episode today, we've got Peter James, owner, operator, the guy behind everything that you see on this show.

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Mannecat records.

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That is a hell of an intro, man.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate you guys having me.

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So I have a ton of industry questions.

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Okay.

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Um, but I have a lot of other questions too.

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And so so we know now that we know now that the cat's out of the bag, and we know that you had to approve these stories that were sent to me, that explains why they're all positive.

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So for the record, though, there are no negatives, you know.

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They anyway, I don't know if there would be, but I'm fairly sure they're not that negative.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know.

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You might have to catch our the rest of our team separately, have them on the podcast at some point.

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Yes, Taylor, you had a question?

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Um, Peter, I just want I just want to ask, did they tell you anything about the show?

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Uh in terms of like what to anticipate, not really.

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Um, so I'm still kind of like, all right, what am I walking into?

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But I kind of have a rough idea of nice okay things that are gonna be said, so you know.

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So we have been doing business together for the last three years, yeah, three years.

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You gave this show an opportunity out of the gates that no one else would.

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And I just want to start off everything by saying truly, thank you.

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Like this show would not be what it is today without you and your crew, truly, man.

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Like, no, it goes both ways, man, because you've been so supportive.

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You guys have all been so supportive of all our artists for the last few years, you know, and not just like our bigger acts, but some of our up-and-coming talent.

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And and we really appreciate you guys.

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So, you know, thank you guys for the support and the platform.

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So yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Some of my favorite artists have come from the interviews.

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That's awesome.

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That I love hearing stuff like that.

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You know, we've been around 11 plus years, and honestly, when I hear stuff like that, that that just you know makes it all worth it, you know.

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So um, right out the gate, I want to ask this isn't this is an industry question.

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This is not one of the other ones, this is an industry question.

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Okay, uh, when you're kind of scouting new artists, um what does that process look like from an internal perspective?

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So are you talking about like an artist that's local or anywhere?

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Like just it just anywhere, just in general.

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Okay, so there's a lot of factors for us that goes into it.

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Um, you know, how big the act is, number one, how good they are, right?

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So it always comes down to the music, you know, as long as the music is where it needs to be, that's first and foremost.

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Um, I think the second really thing is after you get on a call with them, are they good people?

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Like actually, you know, have an open relationship because anytime you work with someone for a long term, it's like a long-term marriage.

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You know what I mean?

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Like a contract is a long-term commitment for both sides.

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So, and I always joke with my team, and I tell our A and R team, I'm like, look, if you can't have a drink and have a beer with these guys, like, how are you gonna work with them long term?

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It's very difficult.

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You know, there's so many talented musicians out there and so many talented artists, but a lot of them are kind of douchey.

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Like, I hate to be like that, but you know what?

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Let's call a spade a spade, you know.

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Some of them had ego, you know, there's so many talent options that I've dealt with through the years that I I wouldn't think twice about ever re-signing because of just attitude, ego, you know, stuff like that.

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And it's just it's a shame.

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But realistically, for me, that's what it comes down to, especially the older I get, I don't give a damn, you know, how good you are.

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I I need to make sure that you're a good human being, right?

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After that, the music obviously has to be there, you know.

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But first and foremost, you gotta be easy to work with, you know.

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Yeah, you know, 100%.

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At this point in my life and career, I've gotten too old, too bitter, too jaded.

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I just don't give a shit, you know.

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So, also from an industry standpoint, like you you scout out new artists for sure.

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Um, you also take on some veteran artists, which are incredible.

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Uh this might be where we get a little controversial.

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Oh god, okay.

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Feel free to not answer.

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But when we're talking the industry, obviously you're a businessman, so you have to acknowledge that with certain fame caliber comes certain notoriety, which in turn relates to dollars.

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Sure.

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Uh, who is the biggest artist that you had to turn down due to that exact issue?

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So there's something currently going on right now that I am not at liberty to discuss.

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Um, they're an act that we were gonna be working with that we are now parting ways with because of that particular issue.

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Um never announced, it's just one of those things that just doesn't make sense uh and for that particular reason.

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And let's just leave it at that.

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Fair enough.

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You know, I am not trying to go down that road.

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That is as honest as you can get.

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That is as honest as you can get right there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Um, out of the artists that you have worked with, who have you been uh able to see rise up from ground level to a level of notoriety that you're most proud of?

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So I think it was 2019, and unfortunately the pandemic kind of killed everything.

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But we had a band called The Anchor.

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They're currently on an indefinite hiatus, but we saw them, they were already on the rise when we started working with them and they just started blowing up.

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Um, they started doing things that you know we weren't expecting, started charting on all sorts of billboard charts and everything, and they were starting to blow up.

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Had the pandemic not happened, they would be huge right now, guaranteed.

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Um, I think it just kind of took the wind out of everybody's sails.

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And then, you know, they kind of did uh a whole US run um after the pandemic and then went over to the UK, did a UK run, and now they're kind of just taking a break.

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I don't I'm hoping they come back out of the woodwork when they're ready.

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You they know they have a home here with us.

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Um, but you know, they were on their way to being huge, you know, and that was amazing to see because they already had that hardcore fan base, and then just you know, putting in the time, putting in the grind, and you know, doing all the right things, they were just seeing such a great amount of success.

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So right.

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Yeah.

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Um what would you say is uh something that kind of separates an artist like them from another artist that wasn't able to kind of push through to notoriety?

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Uh it's the grind, you know, not everybody's built for it.

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Um, and I understand it.

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I mean, you gotta be out there on the road constantly, you got to be on social media constantly.

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It's it's not an either-or anymore, it's both, and you have to basically make it your life, you know, and it's hard, you know.

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At this level, some of the up-and-coming bands, you know, everyone's got like full-time gigs and trying to make ends meet and all that sort of stuff, but you've got to treat this as a full-time gig, you know, it's not an either-or.

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You've got to be 110% it, you know, to make it successful.

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Have you ever approached an artist as a musician and said, Hey, uh, can I can I play with you guys?

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Can I join in on this track or had a track that you wanted to present to somebody?

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Yeah, I mean, they a lot of them come to the studio here to record, and you know, it's not me so much kind of being like, Oh, can I?

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I usually end up, you know, either and vocals in some weird way or I'm I'm playing something, you know.

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And that's the fortunate thing, meaning being me being a musician for so long, too.

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Like, it kind of just happens organically.

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Um, you know, we're in the studio, we're we're listening back to the track, and like, I hear this, I hear that, you know, why don't we do this?

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Why don't we do that?

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And then I end up being on a track, you know.

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I've been in a couple of music videos too, just because shit happens, you know, someone cancels last minute.

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I'm like, all right, I guess I'm gonna be stepping in.

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Like when thieves are about, I was in their music video.

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Um plan on being in that music video at all, but you know, last minute, here we are.

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I'm screaming in the bass player's face, you know.

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Um, so yeah, it was fun.

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Have you ever credited yourself?

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No, no, no, no.

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Oh wow, why humble king?

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We love it.

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I was I was expecting a complete different answer.

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No, I just don't, you know, it's not because it's not about me, you know.

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Like, and and that's the thing a lot of people also don't realize.

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I'm in a band, I've been in bands.

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Most people don't even know that.

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And the reason being is because it's not about me, it's really truly not.

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You know, I that me doing that takes away from another opportunity from one of our other artists, and I've had my time, I've been there, done that.

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I've been very fortunate in my career.

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We've done my band played warp tour five years in a row.

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Like, you know, if you told me which year, I'd be like, I have no idea they all blend together.

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Hell if I know.

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Um, you know, so I I've done my my fair share of cool things, like now it's everybody else's turn, you know what I mean?

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Right.

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Speaking of uh events like that, you're no stranger to events yourself.

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God, I know where this is going.

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So let's let's let's talk about uh the 10-year anniversary show, man.

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Okay, we're starting off hard.

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Okay, got it.

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Cool.

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Let's do it.

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Okay.

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So how about you tell me about your experience with uh with the 10-year anniversary of Manicat Records?

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So it was a great event.

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Um, you know, I had the opportunity, you know, Ryan was on board, his schedule aligned, he was able to come out, had a great time.

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Um let's just say backstage, we all had a great time.

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Um not gonna get too elaborate.

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Um, you know, and I'm I'm the type of person that I don't really drink anymore, guys.

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It's been there, done that, you know, like four days are kind of over.

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If I have a drink or two every now and then, it's it's a special event.

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Yeah, it was a rough, rough weekend.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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Um, but I was fine, you know, up until the situation happened.

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Um, you know, I I don't care unless you want to say it, I'm not saying no.

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I'll no, I'll definitely say it.

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Uh Chris, Chris, this is a question for you.

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Have you ever made out with a guy?

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I thought you and I said we weren't gonna talk about that.

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No, I guess everything's out of the bag today.

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Damn.

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Um, so so you're next.

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Taylor, have you ever made out with a guy?

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I haven't.

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I don't even know a guy.

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So so you and the leading, right, Taylor?

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Yeah, that's right.

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You and the lead singer of show off uh became a little close that evening, right?

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Yeah, I blame him completely because you know what?

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I'm sitting there minding my own.

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No, don't even sit there and say that.

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I swear to you.

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I'm telling you right now, ask anybody from show off.

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They all know what went down.

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Okay, everybody knows because Ryan even knows.

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It was happening during Ryan's set.

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Tommy's sitting there looking at me, he's almost stops playing his drummer, and they're both like, what the hell is going on?

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Taylor, Taylor, just to recap your memory, because I don't think you remember who Show Off is.

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Uh, show off is the band that we had on that did the Digimon song.

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Sick!

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And the lead singer is the one that tried to show us his feet for 25 minutes.

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Why did that not surprise me at all, Arlene?

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They were the best, man.

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I had such a great time on that one.

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They were such a bad get canceled for that.

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Jesus, it was awesome.

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Luckily, luckily, there was there's such a big band that most of my clips I was able to just crop out that quarter.

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I think that saved us a lot of it.

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Uh fantastic.

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But no, that I think that's awesome, especially in uh in today's day and age.

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Like that that's so cool.

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What was it like?

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Yeah, sure.

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Furry.

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I'm just like, okay, now I feel bad for anyone that actually has to kiss me because I'm pretty stubbly myself.

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Like, I thought about actually shaving down completely because I'm like, oh, that's what that feels like.

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That sucks.

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Well, it it looks good.

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It looks very nice.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate it.

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It looks very nice.

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Thank you.

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But the the 10-year 10-year anniversary show was a complete success, right?

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I mean, I've heard several stories from several artists about that show.

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And we had a blast, yeah.

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Everybody had a blast.

00:14:27.610 --> 00:14:39.690
Um, speaking of show off, uh, I hear they requested some baby photos of you for and this is a classic show-off move because they did the same thing to Ryan Cabrera.

00:14:40.090 --> 00:14:45.370
Yeah, yeah, which Ryan loved, which you know, I'm sitting there trying to save him, and I'm like, Yeah, I don't know.

00:14:45.450 --> 00:14:47.129
This is like, dude, he's like, I don't give a shit.

00:14:47.210 --> 00:14:48.410
I was like, fuck.

00:14:49.850 --> 00:14:50.970
Happening, here we go.

00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:51.610
Cool.

00:14:51.850 --> 00:14:54.970
Because Ryan, you guys have met Ryan, he's so laid back, he doesn't care.

00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:57.770
He's yeah, Ryan's Ryan, he's so chill.

00:14:58.090 --> 00:15:01.370
Um, so do they still have some of these buttons?

00:15:01.450 --> 00:15:02.810
Did they end up making the pins?

00:15:03.050 --> 00:15:04.730
I have them all, thank god.

00:15:04.970 --> 00:15:06.009
You have them all.

00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:08.410
So I have so not the baby button.

00:15:08.490 --> 00:15:15.770
So I have a pen that they decided to do, and I can even show you because I have it like right here, if you guys can see that's your profile picture.

00:15:16.009 --> 00:15:19.050
That's my profile picture with a fucking show-off logo to it.

00:15:19.129 --> 00:15:21.050
So that's one, and then these idiots.

00:15:21.129 --> 00:15:24.730
I don't know if you guys ever saw the Cabrero one, so I have the Cabrero one as well.

00:15:24.810 --> 00:15:26.330
So oh, that's great.

00:15:26.490 --> 00:15:31.129
Oh my god, there's some of the funny.

00:15:31.610 --> 00:15:32.970
He's got a he still probably has the button.

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He took it home with him, so I know he has.

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Oh sure.

00:15:35.370 --> 00:15:41.690
So so can we expect to see these as merch on Manicat's website anytime soon?

00:15:41.930 --> 00:15:42.490
Maybe soon.

00:15:43.050 --> 00:15:45.450
Show off guys and see if they'll they'll make more.

00:15:45.690 --> 00:15:47.770
Um the baby picture one.

00:15:48.009 --> 00:15:50.170
I don't remember what he ended up using it for.

00:15:50.330 --> 00:15:54.330
I believe it was for something on web, if I remember correctly.

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I don't even know, but they took a baby photo um and then put like my hair currently on it, and it's just weird as well.

00:16:03.530 --> 00:16:04.970
I'm just like, what the fuck?

00:16:06.009 --> 00:16:11.370
It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, and it's just like it's just funny though.

00:16:11.450 --> 00:16:12.570
I I love those guys.

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They're they mean well, they're not malicious in any way.

00:16:15.930 --> 00:16:18.890
Uh, except for Chris, you know, thank god I pushed him away.

00:16:18.970 --> 00:16:20.009
I might have gotten the tongue.

00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:22.410
Who knows if I let it go any longer?

00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:26.009
It doesn't count if there wasn't tongue.

00:16:26.250 --> 00:16:27.050
That is true.

00:16:27.290 --> 00:16:29.210
Then fine, it's biblically beautiful.

00:16:29.290 --> 00:16:29.530
I love it.

00:16:29.770 --> 00:16:30.890
Biblically, it doesn't count.

00:16:31.129 --> 00:16:31.770
Beautiful.

00:16:31.930 --> 00:16:34.890
Um, I'm gonna stick to that then for sure.

00:16:35.370 --> 00:16:35.690
Cool.

00:16:36.330 --> 00:16:37.610
It was just a smooch then.

00:16:40.250 --> 00:16:48.090
Like speaking of um the internet and and doing web stuff as web stuff as a musician.

00:16:48.250 --> 00:17:16.329
Uh when we talk about like a social media impact uh from an industry standpoint, as somebody who scouts out artists, would you say that having a social media following, oh, every time um a social media following in today's climate is equally as important uh as the production of the songs themselves?

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Like, do they have to go hand in hand now?

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So I think they do, you know, mainly because of the fact that that's your visibility.

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Um, you know, I have these discussions all the time with with artists, um, you know, and you know, every band and every artist from every level, from you know, lower level all the way up to like big, big artists.

00:17:35.610 --> 00:17:38.170
They all have issues with social media, everybody hates it.

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I get it, you know.

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I'm not a huge fan of it either, but you know, we got to do it.

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It's 2026, it's not going away.

00:17:44.569 --> 00:17:46.009
You know, you gotta embrace it.

00:17:46.490 --> 00:17:48.250
You know, it's here as a tool to help.

00:17:48.410 --> 00:17:52.170
So I always tell the bands, I'm like, look, it's touring without touring.

00:17:52.250 --> 00:17:54.730
And the second I say that, it's almost like a light bulb goes off.

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There's like, oh shit.

00:17:56.330 --> 00:17:57.610
I'm like, why do we tour, guys?

00:17:57.690 --> 00:17:59.850
Like, I always say to the guys, why do you guys tour?

00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:00.170
Right?

00:18:00.250 --> 00:18:05.289
You tour to make a fan base, to gain new fans, to and to connect, right?

00:18:05.370 --> 00:18:09.529
Because you're out there, you're connecting with your fan base, you're connecting with your audience.

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So why are you doing social media?

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Same thing, you're connecting without touring.

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It's the same principle.

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Do you feel that social media can take a song that uh we'll say is like a like a three out of ten and make it into like a seven out of ten, um industry-wise?

00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:31.930
I don't know.

00:18:32.090 --> 00:18:32.730
I don't know about that.

00:18:32.809 --> 00:18:35.930
It's still, I think I personally go back down to the music.

00:18:36.009 --> 00:18:41.210
If the the I I have a phrase that I've learned a long time ago, and I still use it to this day.

00:18:41.370 --> 00:18:43.610
An old producer told me this a long time ago.

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There's only so many ways you can polish a turd, and that is so true.

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Like, you know, just because it's on social media and it's getting some bit of attention, I don't think it makes that three into a seven.

00:18:56.330 --> 00:19:00.170
I think the music just has to be there, it's gotta stand on its own, too, you know.

00:19:00.410 --> 00:19:02.890
So I think of that song Golden Hour.

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Do you remember that song?

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Like right in the middle of the pandemic, I think is when it came out.

00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:11.450
That guy flooded the internet with that song.

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Uh, you couldn't flip through a video without seeing him showing somebody golden hour.

00:19:16.490 --> 00:19:17.130
Right, right.

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And now I can't not hear that song.

00:19:19.850 --> 00:19:20.410
You know what I mean?

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It turned it into such an earworm.

00:19:22.730 --> 00:19:23.049
Right.

00:19:23.370 --> 00:19:29.610
Do you think that song was strong enough to make its way through without the social media?

00:19:30.009 --> 00:19:31.930
I think it's all subjective, right?

00:19:32.009 --> 00:19:41.370
Like, you know, what I might not find, you know, interesting or good, so to speak, doesn't mean clearly other people don't.

00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:42.330
You know what I mean?

00:19:42.490 --> 00:19:45.529
Because it's not exactly in my genre, to be honest, you know.

00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:48.650
So yeah, do I think it's kind of eh?

00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:51.289
Yeah, I do, you know, quite frankly.

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But, you know, obviously I'm definitely more of the minority because it went viral.

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So I listened to it today.

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There you go.

00:19:59.210 --> 00:20:00.730
You listen to Golden Hour today?

00:20:00.970 --> 00:20:01.210
Yeah.

00:20:01.370 --> 00:20:01.769
There you go.

00:20:02.170 --> 00:20:04.250
So what the hell do I know?

00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:09.130
It's still eh, but like I did listen to it today.

00:20:09.529 --> 00:20:15.289
Taylor, who has been your favorite mannequat artist that we've worked with?

00:20:16.730 --> 00:20:17.289
Ooh.

00:20:18.730 --> 00:20:20.970
Don't you steal mine, don't steal it.

00:20:22.890 --> 00:20:25.289
Um, I'm I'm blanking now.

00:20:25.370 --> 00:20:26.410
I can't think of their name.

00:20:26.490 --> 00:20:27.850
We saw them in concert.

00:20:28.650 --> 00:20:30.970
We saw them in concert, yeah.

00:20:34.250 --> 00:20:37.370
Oh, you're thinking you're thinking no, you're thinking of keep flying.

00:20:37.450 --> 00:20:39.850
They are they are not they should they should be though.

00:20:40.090 --> 00:20:40.569
They should be.

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I know those guys too.

00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.569
Yeah, like they should they should be, they're incredible.

00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:50.250
I was thinking yours would be the lucky because oh, I listened to them today too.

00:20:50.490 --> 00:20:51.370
There you go.

00:20:52.009 --> 00:20:54.250
Yeah, those guys, they're great.

00:20:54.490 --> 00:20:56.090
I don't even know if I should ask Chris.

00:20:56.250 --> 00:20:57.610
We all know what Chris's answer is.

00:20:57.690 --> 00:20:58.569
Chris, go ahead.

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Oh, go ahead, Chris.

00:21:00.410 --> 00:21:01.450
Like ghosts.

00:21:01.690 --> 00:21:02.330
Oh, you go.

00:21:02.809 --> 00:21:05.610
He is probably their biggest fan.

00:21:05.769 --> 00:21:08.330
That's I listen to their music every single day.

00:21:08.490 --> 00:21:09.930
So I have a very long commute.

00:21:10.009 --> 00:21:15.850
It's an hour and a half to work, hour and a half home between podcasts, and oh that's awesome.

00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:18.569
They've they've got some new material coming out this year, too.

00:21:18.650 --> 00:21:19.529
I'm excited for.

00:21:19.769 --> 00:21:22.330
So, yeah, it's gonna be good.

00:21:22.890 --> 00:21:28.009
I will say, so I I absolutely loved working with Ryan, I think he's incredible.

00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:34.250
However, my my favorite artist of yours that we've worked with was Year of the Dragon.

00:21:35.450 --> 00:21:40.250
That was probably my second favorite interview of all time.

00:21:40.410 --> 00:21:41.610
Yeah, yeah.

00:21:41.930 --> 00:21:45.130
How you guys didn't get canceled from that would be surprising.

00:21:45.370 --> 00:21:47.930
Oh, yeah, because one was a trip.

00:21:48.090 --> 00:21:49.210
Was Walt on that one?

00:21:49.850 --> 00:21:53.690
Yes, no god, yeah.

00:21:53.930 --> 00:21:56.170
Don't call him dirty Walt for nothing, guys.

00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:58.809
You know, like there's that it was wild.

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It was wild rides.

00:22:00.809 --> 00:22:12.490
It was it was so crazy that I finished the recording and then brought it up on my laptop to show my wife, and then proceeded to watch it like three more times because I was baffled.

00:22:12.569 --> 00:22:17.049
I was like, I don't, I don't even know entirely what we talked about.

00:22:17.130 --> 00:22:21.370
Like it was that could not tell you could not tell you.

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That was an awesome one.

00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:24.009
I love I loved that one.

00:22:24.330 --> 00:22:25.610
Oh my god, they're great.

00:22:25.690 --> 00:22:27.210
I love them, they're such great.

00:22:27.610 --> 00:22:30.970
Group of guys and like our entire roster is really so solid.

00:22:31.130 --> 00:22:43.529
Like, you know, that's why when we do these holiday shows or we do like our tenure or anything like that, it's always, you know, so cool to bring all the bands together because then you know, all of a sudden I get inundated with requests like, oh, we should tour together, we should do this, we should do that.

00:22:43.610 --> 00:22:44.569
I'm like, all right, great.

00:22:44.650 --> 00:22:45.450
This is what it's for.

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This is why we do it, you know, so that bands can all get together.

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Like some of the West Coast bands can be the East Coast bands and Midwest bands and all that sort of stuff.

00:22:52.730 --> 00:23:00.730
And you know, collaborations happen, tours just organically happen, and you know, that's that's really what it's about, like at least on the industry side.

00:23:00.809 --> 00:23:06.890
Obviously, we always like to give back to our local scene and our local area, you know, the club that we do it at every year.

00:23:07.049 --> 00:23:09.610
They're you know, they're near and dear to myself.

00:23:09.690 --> 00:23:13.769
I our VP of AR Mike, you know, we both came up in the scene that same thing.

00:23:13.930 --> 00:23:16.170
So we've we've played that club a million times.

00:23:16.410 --> 00:23:18.170
Koheed started there as well.

00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:20.970
Um, you know, I went to high school with Trav from Koheed.

00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:22.250
So, like, you know what I mean?

00:23:22.330 --> 00:23:24.730
So we've all kind of grown up in that in that scene.

00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:27.450
And you know, funny story on that club.

00:23:27.529 --> 00:23:31.529
Um, I remember a show kind of coming up years ago.

00:23:31.769 --> 00:23:40.170
So I did a show, my old band, it was my old band, um, a small little band called Shibouti, if you guys know, you know, back in the day, right?

00:23:40.330 --> 00:23:43.289
So Shibouti and a band called Interference.

00:23:43.529 --> 00:23:45.049
So Interference went on.

00:23:45.130 --> 00:23:50.330
Jay DeZuzio went on to uh be the producer for Imagine Dragons, yeah.

00:23:50.569 --> 00:23:52.170
Writer and all that sort of stuff.

00:23:52.330 --> 00:23:57.210
Um, you know, wrote for Panic, worked on Panic's Record like years before.

00:23:57.289 --> 00:24:00.410
Um, so he went on to be a big huge producer, you know.

00:24:00.490 --> 00:24:01.930
You know, it happened with Travis.

00:24:02.090 --> 00:24:03.130
So crazy.

00:24:03.289 --> 00:24:05.289
And that was all one show that I just remembered.

00:24:05.450 --> 00:24:07.289
I'm like, wow, that that all seemed incredible.

00:24:07.529 --> 00:24:08.170
It was insane.

00:24:08.330 --> 00:24:09.289
It was absolutely insane.

00:24:09.450 --> 00:24:14.490
That show that's where Second Stage Turbine was recorded at stained glass studio in Pyramus.

00:24:14.730 --> 00:24:15.210
Really?

00:24:15.529 --> 00:24:20.650
Because Jason DeSuzio and stained glass studio in Pyramus, and that's how they met.

00:24:20.809 --> 00:24:26.330
That's how the first original version of Second Stage Turbine was recorded.

00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:27.450
I did not know that.

00:24:27.529 --> 00:24:27.930
That's awesome.

00:24:30.170 --> 00:24:30.650
Yeah.

00:24:30.890 --> 00:24:37.289
So speaking of uh your early days, let's talk a little bit about like your history.

00:24:37.370 --> 00:24:40.730
You've been in music longer than I've been alive.

00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:43.370
Thanks.

00:24:43.529 --> 00:24:44.490
Thanks for that, Harley.

00:24:44.569 --> 00:24:45.210
Appreciate that too.

00:24:45.450 --> 00:24:46.330
No problem, man.

00:24:46.490 --> 00:24:49.289
Um, but I mean, truly, like 32.

00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.090
So so let's talk about the early days, though.

00:24:54.410 --> 00:24:57.769
Like, tell me how you got to where you're at now.

00:24:58.090 --> 00:25:05.370
Um, and what kind of moves throughout your career put you into this new kind of side of life?

00:25:05.610 --> 00:25:07.769
Okay, so before we get into that, all right.

00:25:07.930 --> 00:25:12.410
I've not been doing music longer than you've been alive because if you're 32, that doesn't make any sense.

00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:13.930
So that is not happening.

00:25:14.009 --> 00:25:15.850
So I'm just clearing the air there.

00:25:16.569 --> 00:25:19.049
I just wanted everyone to know Harley is 32.

00:25:19.370 --> 00:25:21.210
I'm not though, I'm 31, man.

00:25:23.610 --> 00:25:24.250
Oh my god.

00:25:24.809 --> 00:25:30.490
So you're gonna have to repeat that question because I was still so fixated on like, I am not that old.

00:25:30.650 --> 00:25:35.529
Damn, I am correcting this before I even get any further.

00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:39.370
No, no, no, no, no, no, you were a prodigy at a young age.

00:25:39.529 --> 00:25:42.650
Yeah, I was something at a young age, I'll tell you that.

00:25:42.809 --> 00:25:44.330
I don't know about prodigy.

00:25:45.930 --> 00:25:48.809
Taylor just did the same thing to me like two weeks ago.

00:25:48.970 --> 00:25:51.850
I was talking to her and I was like, Yeah, um, what did I say?

00:25:51.930 --> 00:25:55.769
It was something like, you know, our age, and she was like, our age, whoa.

00:25:58.730 --> 00:26:00.250
So I'm assuming Taylor's younger.

00:26:00.730 --> 00:26:02.330
Yeah, by seven years.

00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:05.210
Oh, oh god, oh, got it.

00:26:05.370 --> 00:26:05.690
Okay.

00:26:06.090 --> 00:26:23.370
Um, so so how how did what what things did you do throughout your career that put you in a position where you were like, I think that I could start a business uh involving a record label, involving a production studio.

00:26:23.610 --> 00:26:26.650
Like, what put you into the place that you are today?

00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:32.890
Honestly, and this might get me canceled, uh, just how shitty the music industry is.

00:26:33.210 --> 00:26:33.850
That's real.

00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:34.490
100%.

00:26:34.730 --> 00:26:35.049
100%.

00:26:35.529 --> 00:26:36.090
That's reality.

00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:41.930
That's me not sugarcoating anything, you know, how shitty the business has has become, quite honestly.

00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:48.970
Um, you know, our dealings with you know, majors and indies, and you know, just the shit show of that.

00:26:49.289 --> 00:26:59.450
Um, you know, led us to like kind of going down, and this is going back a long ways, but you know, turning the label, it was a vanity label at the very, very beginning.

00:26:59.610 --> 00:27:02.569
Um, you know, we went on warped and we're like, you know, what the hell with all this?

00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:04.490
We have enough connections between all of us.

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:09.930
Let's just, you know, put the record out, we'll put it under our vanity, we'll go on warped.

00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:14.650
You know, we did like a whole the whole tour practically, and we'll see how this is received.

00:27:14.809 --> 00:27:16.650
And it was received fairly well.

00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:18.490
So we're like, okay, we've got something.

00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:21.690
Let's let's sign some acts, let's make this thing real.

00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:30.250
And then, you know, what ended up happening was it was basically me doing everything, you know, like full-time job, full-time band, full-time life.

00:27:30.330 --> 00:27:31.210
You know what I mean?

00:27:31.450 --> 00:27:33.610
Like something had to give.

00:27:33.930 --> 00:27:46.170
And I tabled it for a number of years and was able to bring it back in 2014 and haven't kind of looked back, but like I think it was that that break that I did like the corporate world thing, and that sucked.

00:27:46.330 --> 00:27:50.730
I mean, you know, corporate definitely, but you know, I learned a lot, to be honest with you.

00:27:50.809 --> 00:27:55.289
I learned I had a phenomenal manager, I'm still very, very close with her to this day.

00:27:55.370 --> 00:28:05.370
We we get together every couple of months for lunch, but you know, I owe so much of my managerial experience and like skills and tactics and stuff to her, and I told her that.

00:28:05.529 --> 00:28:13.769
Um, but you know, it's about teams and it's about building a community, it's about building a culture, a vibe, and building something different.

00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:14.650
You know what I mean?

00:28:14.890 --> 00:28:18.330
Because, like, if I'm just gonna be like everybody else, then why the hell am I gonna do it?

00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:18.890
Yeah.

00:28:19.289 --> 00:28:24.330
Yeah, I've been on so many calls with managers in the very beginning, they're like, I don't understand what the fuck you're doing.

00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:28.090
And and in a very negative way, very condescending, very negative.

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:35.370
And I'm like, look, you know, honestly, I know you're meaning it in a very negative way, but I I appreciate it because I'm not trying to be like everybody else.

00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:36.490
I want to be different.

00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:38.569
I'm trying to change things.

00:28:38.730 --> 00:28:43.049
If I'm just gonna be like everybody else, then what am I what am I bringing to the table?

00:28:43.289 --> 00:28:44.890
Right, you know what I mean?

00:28:45.049 --> 00:28:55.850
So that's why I feel like we've been able to do what we've done for the last 11 plus years is is kind of giving some unique opportunity, you know.

00:28:56.250 --> 00:28:56.890
Yeah.

00:28:57.130 --> 00:29:04.170
Um, so on on that note, um how do I want to word this question?

00:29:04.330 --> 00:29:19.210
Uh what do you think is the current issue with the industry and uh in your perspective, what would be a solution if you have one?

00:29:21.049 --> 00:29:23.930
So uh there's a lot of problems with the industry, first of all.

00:29:24.009 --> 00:29:24.809
I mean the biggest.

00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:25.370
Let's go with the thing.

00:29:25.769 --> 00:29:29.130
The problem is like, and honestly, they treat artists like a commodity, right?

00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:37.450
That they can be just chewed up, spit out, move on, you know, and and and that's not the way we do things.

00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:39.289
That's the biggest thing, you know.

00:29:39.370 --> 00:29:47.370
They they treat artists like they're like, okay, you know, use you and abuse you and move on, move on to the next, you know, that kind of thing.

00:29:47.769 --> 00:29:55.130
Um, you know, there's a lot of labels out there that are not like that, which is great, but you know, I'm talking about the industry as a whole right now, you know what I mean?

00:29:55.370 --> 00:30:00.490
Um, but as far as fixing it, it needs an overhaul, to be honest.

00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:04.569
I don't think it's fixable, you know, it's been this way since the beginning.

00:30:04.890 --> 00:30:12.890
I I it would have to take something massive, you know, to be able to completely change us on a dime, you know.

00:30:13.210 --> 00:30:22.250
So for me for me, the biggest issue that I have been talking about for a while now is accessibility.

00:30:23.049 --> 00:30:26.730
I think that music it's a double-edged sword.

00:30:26.890 --> 00:30:35.130
I think that music becoming more accessible to anyone that's creative is a good thing.

00:30:35.450 --> 00:30:50.809
However, I think that it kind of because of the the way our capitalistic society works, you have a lot of young artists who truly just get in it for the monetary gain, right?

00:30:50.970 --> 00:31:17.930
And and put out uh, I'll be honest with you, man, somebody that I work with uh just had this exact same conversation with him where he ripped a uh song off of YouTube, basically took somebody else's work, right, threw some some lyrics over top of it, and put it out on SoundCloud and got millions of views and and hits because of somebody else's hard work.

00:31:18.170 --> 00:31:31.930
I I think that that is an actual issue going on, even if it may be small scale, um, and I think that that cripples the industry along with the the labels and taking advantage of these artists.

00:31:32.090 --> 00:31:40.250
I think you're 100% right, is is basically what I'm getting at is it is the commodity side, but I think there are artists too that are doing the same thing.

00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:50.170
Do you think that there's any way to overhaul the artist side without becoming another gatekeep situation?

00:31:50.970 --> 00:31:54.090
I think it comes down to just artists not being shitty to each other.

00:31:54.250 --> 00:31:57.130
I think that's more enough, you know what I mean?

00:31:57.289 --> 00:32:10.170
You know, it it's more of a community and community building, and I know that's super altruistic, and I get that, but like at the end of the day, you know, we should all be kind of trying to get to that same spot, but it that's not reality, right?

00:32:10.410 --> 00:32:11.130
You know, right?

00:32:11.370 --> 00:32:17.930
So aside from doing that, I don't think really there's anything, you know, and then forget about the whole AI nonsense, you know.

00:32:18.009 --> 00:32:20.970
That's that's a whole other issue.

00:32:21.610 --> 00:32:22.250
We get into that.

00:32:22.330 --> 00:32:26.650
We're this is gonna be like a three-hour show, like you know, buckle up.

00:32:27.210 --> 00:32:31.529
So um, you know, I've never been a fan of that ever, you know.

00:32:31.610 --> 00:32:34.809
Uh, you know, it started more on the graphic design side.

00:32:35.049 --> 00:32:44.569
I mean, I have a whole graphic design team, and our our head of graphic design, Summer, she is livid when it comes to anything AI, like, and I don't blame her, I'm right there with her.

00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:51.610
Um, but you know, now with you know, all the apps and all that stuff that you can do, music and everything, it's just like, where's your talent?

00:32:51.769 --> 00:32:54.250
You know, like and then you're sourcing that.

00:32:54.330 --> 00:32:55.769
That's like open source.

00:32:56.009 --> 00:32:58.650
You're how is this AI engine learning?

00:32:58.730 --> 00:33:08.569
It's learning from other material artists that you know, multi-platinum artists that are being fed this, you know, this machine, and it just spits something out.

00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:12.410
So yeah, it it's it's not okay.

00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:26.410
It's not do you from a business standpoint, do you see the tools of AI, like chat chat GPT mainly, or or any any of those chat bots, do you utilize them as a as a business tool?

00:33:26.730 --> 00:33:29.610
Here and there, when necessary, you know what I mean?

00:33:29.690 --> 00:33:30.490
I don't rely on them.

00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:33.690
I mean, again, I'm old school guys, like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:40.410
So like I I don't lean on stuff like that, but like I'd be foolish not to you know use it.

00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:41.370
Incorporate it.

00:33:41.690 --> 00:33:42.890
This incorporate it exactly.

00:33:42.970 --> 00:33:43.610
Do I use it?

00:33:43.690 --> 00:33:51.930
No, because I just don't, but you know, I I will it makes life convenient sometimes for sure, as like a reference point, yeah, right.

00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:57.370
But I I am extremely guilty of using it uh specifically for this show.

00:33:57.450 --> 00:34:04.250
I I've talked about it a lot on here, but so so Taylor and Chris are fantastic co-hosts.

00:34:04.410 --> 00:34:12.730
Um, however, Chris has a very large family that he has to dedicate a lot of time to, and Taylor doesn't like to do stuff.

00:34:13.049 --> 00:34:21.769
So unfortunately, oh my god, I just I was hoping you was gonna finish, but like no, Taylor doesn't like the research.

00:34:21.929 --> 00:34:26.170
If you watch the videos of my PowerPoints, they're beautiful.

00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:29.049
I don't like the research, I think it's boring.

00:34:29.130 --> 00:34:29.690
I never have.

00:34:31.130 --> 00:34:34.889
Harley, she did her hair, and doesn't it look amazing?

00:34:35.609 --> 00:34:36.649
She did her hair.

00:34:36.969 --> 00:34:37.369
Very nice.

00:34:37.849 --> 00:34:38.250
I like it.

00:34:38.889 --> 00:34:39.129
Thank you.

00:34:39.689 --> 00:34:40.329
I appreciate it.

00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:40.809
Thank you.

00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:41.769
Of course.

00:34:42.089 --> 00:34:43.929
Hey, um, Peter, yeah.

00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:54.569
With with somebody who um, you know, you you run a successful company, you know, you have a job where it's not nine to five.

00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:57.929
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's all over the place.

00:34:58.089 --> 00:35:00.489
You get a call, it might be important, you take it.

00:35:00.809 --> 00:35:02.089
What do you do in your off time?

00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:12.409
That's I mean, it could be music related, but I I mean, and I would assume at some point, you know, you you want to kind of unplug even 30 minutes.

00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:14.649
I I try to as much as I can.

00:35:14.889 --> 00:35:18.089
Um I rarely ever unplug guys.

00:35:18.250 --> 00:35:26.489
I mean, I work 14 to 16 hours a day typically, you know, and it's just it I think it doesn't feel like work when when it's yours.

00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:27.529
You know what I mean?

00:35:27.689 --> 00:35:30.409
And for me, I enjoy it.

00:35:30.649 --> 00:35:32.009
You know, I enjoy it.

00:35:32.169 --> 00:35:40.329
Um, I don't think you know we would be where we were if I didn't, you know, um, and put the time in that needs to go in.

00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:44.569
I I've been very fortunate, it's been my full-time job for quite some time now.

00:35:44.889 --> 00:35:52.009
Um yeah, you know, so you gotta love it, you know, because if I didn't, we wouldn't be talking right now.

00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:54.009
So yeah.

00:35:56.089 --> 00:36:01.129
To unplug every now and then uh throw on Netflix, just zone out.

00:36:01.369 --> 00:36:05.049
That's kind of zone out, you know.

00:36:05.289 --> 00:36:07.369
Um, I don't want to even hear music.

00:36:07.449 --> 00:36:14.489
I you know, it's one of those things where I'm just like, okay, I just want to completely detach, you know.

00:36:14.649 --> 00:36:17.689
So so do you have any favorite shows?

00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:24.809
Um right now it's usually like all the Marvel stuff, you know, whenever they drop any kind of new series and stuff.

00:36:24.969 --> 00:36:26.730
So that I'm big into.

00:36:27.210 --> 00:36:33.529
Um, you know, it's gotta be something that will one of two things, right?

00:36:33.609 --> 00:36:42.569
It's gotta be either lowbrow humor that is just absolutely ridiculous and stuff that I've seen like eight million times, where I can just kind of like, okay, that's funny.

00:36:42.649 --> 00:36:53.129
I've seen it like a thousand times, I can I can enjoy it, or it's something that's really just going to grab me, and I'm like, okay, I'm completely you know focused in on this particular series or or whatever.

00:36:53.369 --> 00:36:54.649
So yeah.

00:36:55.929 --> 00:37:05.609
Um, out of your entire team, publicists, AR, everybody involved in your organization, who's your favorite?

00:37:05.849 --> 00:37:07.129
I can't say that, dude.

00:37:07.210 --> 00:37:11.849
Like, seriously, that's one of those questions that that will get me in so much trouble.

00:37:12.009 --> 00:37:13.769
That's like saying who's your favorite artist?

00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:17.289
And I get that on podcasts all the time, or interviews are like, who's your favorite artist?

00:37:17.369 --> 00:37:18.489
I've been out of your fucking mind.

00:37:18.569 --> 00:37:19.929
Like, what am I gonna say to that?

00:37:20.169 --> 00:37:24.089
Hey, hey, hey, Peter, Peter, we have a studio chat.

00:37:24.250 --> 00:37:25.449
You could type it in.

00:37:25.609 --> 00:37:32.329
No, nobody will stay between us, nope.

00:37:32.569 --> 00:37:34.889
Oh, I just saw something came through, Peter.

00:37:34.969 --> 00:37:37.369
You said uh Taryn, that's crazy.

00:37:38.329 --> 00:37:41.369
Is that because she gave you all the freaking information you needed?

00:37:41.529 --> 00:37:42.329
Right, got it.

00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:44.409
I'll be sure to let Taryn know.

00:37:44.649 --> 00:37:52.409
Um, no, but you know, it it really does take a team, and everybody pulls their weight because I could not do this on my own.

00:37:52.489 --> 00:37:53.929
It's just impossible.

00:37:54.169 --> 00:37:54.969
You know what I mean?

00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:58.730
Taryn is phenomenal, our VP of A and R Mike is Unreal.

00:37:58.969 --> 00:38:03.449
Um, Summer, who heads up our graphic design and content.

00:38:03.689 --> 00:38:06.009
Um, she's absolutely wonderful.

00:38:06.169 --> 00:38:13.929
Um, so yeah, it it definitely takes a strong team to be able to get to where you know where we've been and where we're at it.

00:38:14.009 --> 00:38:17.769
So yeah, and just to give your team another compliment.

00:38:18.089 --> 00:38:36.409
So every person that has ever emailed me from your team has been the most pleasant, like proficient on top of it, like truly like out of so I deal with like hundreds of people at this point, and there are a handful of people who will just be non-responsive.

00:38:36.649 --> 00:38:38.889
Your team is on top of it, dude.

00:38:38.969 --> 00:38:39.929
It's crazy.

00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:41.849
They're more on top of it than I can be.

00:38:41.929 --> 00:38:47.529
I'll be I'll send an email and then moments later get an email back, and I'm like, I'll answer that in a little bit.

00:38:48.809 --> 00:38:52.569
I mean, they're more on top of it than I am because I'm split in like 20 different ways.

00:38:52.730 --> 00:38:57.129
Yeah, I know that we've done stuff in the past, and you're like, uh, and we're following up on this.

00:38:57.210 --> 00:39:04.809
I'm like, I'm I don't have like you guys should see like in my email, there's like the little flags and everything on the outlook, and I'm like, it is all red.

00:39:04.969 --> 00:39:07.769
I'm like, shh, all right, I gotta just give it back to everybody.

00:39:07.929 --> 00:39:09.129
Yeah, it's one of those.

00:39:09.769 --> 00:39:11.849
No, they're absolutely incredible, man.

00:39:12.009 --> 00:39:12.889
Absolutely incredible.

00:39:13.129 --> 00:39:14.089
Um, that's awesome.

00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:22.889
Now, however, it sounds to me like there was a uh situation recently where it didn't go that way, and you had an interview that kind of went south.

00:39:25.609 --> 00:39:26.969
Yeah, this was a while ago.

00:39:27.129 --> 00:39:34.169
It was an intern uh that in and it was one of those situations where I swear to god, I thought I was being punked.

00:39:34.329 --> 00:39:36.089
Um, it it was wild.

00:39:36.329 --> 00:39:41.049
Um, so it started out and it was for an AR internship.

00:39:41.289 --> 00:39:45.769
So, you know, it the guy messaged me.

00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:47.689
He's like, Hey, I have really bad service.

00:39:47.849 --> 00:39:49.129
Um, I'm gonna be a little late.

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:51.609
I'm going to a buddy's house so I can be on this call.

00:39:51.929 --> 00:39:52.649
Okay, cool.

00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:53.289
You know what?

00:39:53.849 --> 00:39:59.289
I I I'll let that fly because you know, he wants to make sure it doesn't cut out, it doesn't drop, whatever.

00:39:59.449 --> 00:40:01.289
He's really excited about this, whatever.

00:40:01.529 --> 00:40:02.569
Fine, no big deal.

00:40:02.809 --> 00:40:04.730
So get on the call with this guy.

00:40:05.529 --> 00:40:06.730
And there's two of them.

00:40:06.889 --> 00:40:10.250
And I'm like, okay, what the hell?

00:40:10.409 --> 00:40:11.289
I'm like, you know what?

00:40:11.449 --> 00:40:11.849
Fuck it.

00:40:11.929 --> 00:40:17.289
Uh I'm just I kind of like started kind of going into my spiel because at this point I've interviewed so many people.

00:40:17.449 --> 00:40:18.329
I don't care.

00:40:18.489 --> 00:40:21.049
So I'm starting to ask him questions and things like that.

00:40:21.369 --> 00:40:27.049
At one point, like maybe second or third question in his friend starts answering, and I'm like, wait, what?

00:40:27.289 --> 00:40:27.849
What the hell?

00:40:28.169 --> 00:40:28.809
Wait, time out.

00:40:28.889 --> 00:40:30.009
What the hell is going on?

00:40:30.250 --> 00:40:31.769
Like, who is interviewing here?

00:40:31.929 --> 00:40:32.489
You or him?

00:40:32.649 --> 00:40:33.689
And he's just like, Oh, he is.

00:40:33.849 --> 00:40:35.609
I was like, Well, then get the fuck out of here, dude.

00:40:35.689 --> 00:40:36.649
Like, what the hell?

00:40:36.809 --> 00:40:39.369
Like, this isn't like group effort.

00:40:41.609 --> 00:40:43.689
It was a stepbrother situation, yeah.

00:40:44.569 --> 00:40:45.929
Like, who is answering right now?

00:40:46.009 --> 00:40:49.289
It's like, wait a second, like, get the hell out of here.

00:40:49.529 --> 00:40:57.049
And yeah, it was just that was that same interview where he he gave me this comment, and and we use this a lot, and it's really funny.

00:40:57.449 --> 00:40:59.769
It he hardly knows where this is going.

00:40:59.929 --> 00:41:05.689
Um, and and I quote, because I asked him, I was like, Well, you know, what do you hope to get out of this particular experience?

00:41:05.849 --> 00:41:12.250
You know, you're always like, hey, you know, experience, contacts, this, that, whatever, you know, whatever the case may be.

00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:14.889
And I quote, I'm all about that bag, yo.

00:41:15.049 --> 00:41:16.250
And I'm like, I'm sorry.

00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:18.329
Like, excuse me.

00:41:18.969 --> 00:41:20.409
Like, he caught me that off guard.

00:41:20.489 --> 00:41:22.009
I was like, What?

00:41:22.250 --> 00:41:26.250
Because you know, you're in professional mode, you're like, you know, you're kind of locked in.

00:41:26.409 --> 00:41:27.289
And he repeats it.

00:41:27.449 --> 00:41:28.889
I was like, Oh, he really did say that.

00:41:28.969 --> 00:41:31.289
I was like, I thought I like had his seizures.

00:41:31.849 --> 00:41:33.689
I was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:41:33.769 --> 00:41:35.849
I'm like, okay, got it.

00:41:36.009 --> 00:41:37.769
I'm gonna start using that at my job.

00:41:38.089 --> 00:41:38.809
Same dude.

00:41:39.049 --> 00:41:39.929
I don't recommend it.

00:41:40.089 --> 00:41:41.049
I really don't recommend it.

00:41:41.529 --> 00:41:41.929
Absolutely.

00:41:42.089 --> 00:41:44.889
I'm gonna go up to the owner and say, I'm all about that bag.

00:41:47.049 --> 00:41:51.129
I was just like, and then and then they had the nerve to be like, oh, so do you think I got it?

00:41:51.289 --> 00:41:54.329
I was like, uh you know, I'll let you know.

00:41:54.649 --> 00:41:56.730
Like, there's no way I'm dealing with this kid.

00:41:56.969 --> 00:42:04.009
Because I really thought in like the end, because he he was in like in you know, upstate New York or whatever, maybe like a half hour from us.

00:42:04.169 --> 00:42:10.649
I really thought it was somebody setting me up that was just gonna pop out of the side of the screen, like, I got you hall, like, or something like that.

00:42:10.809 --> 00:42:14.809
I was waiting for it, and I'm like, oh my god, this kid is actually serious.

00:42:14.969 --> 00:42:16.329
This is terrifying.

00:42:16.489 --> 00:42:19.129
Like, if this is the future, we're all serious.

00:42:19.289 --> 00:42:19.849
Yeah, it is.

00:42:22.089 --> 00:42:24.250
It's absolutely freaking terrifying.

00:42:24.489 --> 00:42:26.889
So that I use quite frequently.

00:42:27.129 --> 00:42:35.210
Um, it is everybody on the team kind of knows it's just it's really funny because I've had some doozies in my like career, so it's kind of funny.

00:42:35.529 --> 00:42:42.649
Yeah, um, what is uh uh something that you look for in a candidate to join your organization?

00:42:42.809 --> 00:42:46.969
Like, like let's say, let's say I'm applying, right?

00:42:47.210 --> 00:42:54.169
And I have little to no experience in the music industry other than being a musician, right?

00:42:54.409 --> 00:43:03.929
So really, I'm looking for the passion, the drive, the self-motivation, because no one's gonna hold your hand, no one's gonna pat you on the forehead and give you a cookie.

00:43:04.009 --> 00:43:06.649
It's like you gotta just get out there and work, you know what I mean?

00:43:06.809 --> 00:43:09.210
You gotta put yourself out there and learn, you know.

00:43:09.369 --> 00:43:11.369
Um, make mistakes, it's okay.

00:43:12.009 --> 00:43:12.730
What happens?

00:43:12.889 --> 00:43:16.169
You know, we all make mistakes, you know, it's nature of the business.

00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:19.449
But you'll get the most out of it if you put yourself in there.

00:43:19.529 --> 00:43:23.609
You know, if you're just gonna sit on the sidelines and watch, you're never gonna get anything out of it, right?

00:43:23.769 --> 00:43:28.089
You know, it's a learn by doing a lot of this stuff is learned by doing, you know.

00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:31.049
Peter, what about an occasional kiss?

00:43:32.409 --> 00:43:33.449
Not for me.

00:43:35.049 --> 00:43:38.009
That is highly HR inappropriate, my friend.

00:43:39.289 --> 00:43:42.169
I'm usually the kissy, and it's only because of Chris.

00:43:42.329 --> 00:43:46.649
So yeah, still thankful there was no tongue.

00:43:46.809 --> 00:43:47.529
Still thankful.

00:43:47.849 --> 00:43:48.889
Doesn't count.

00:43:49.529 --> 00:43:50.169
I love it.

00:43:50.489 --> 00:43:51.689
Definitely doesn't count.

00:43:52.089 --> 00:43:52.730
Excellent.

00:43:53.609 --> 00:44:01.769
So I want to ask a couple more like serious industry questions, and then we're gonna move on to a fun little game here.

00:44:02.089 --> 00:44:13.529
Um for like an aspiring uh artist, we'll we'll say artist, and then an aspire, uh, aspiring like business industry person.

00:44:13.849 --> 00:44:14.009
Okay.

00:44:14.569 --> 00:44:16.730
What is a piece of advice for both?

00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:20.329
Aspiring artists, like give me context.

00:44:20.409 --> 00:44:22.409
Are they looking to sign that get signed?

00:44:22.569 --> 00:44:24.169
Yeah, that's for a career.

00:44:24.649 --> 00:44:25.529
Looking to sign.

00:44:27.689 --> 00:44:31.369
Uh come to the table with something right.

00:44:31.529 --> 00:44:34.969
So it's not about the music as much as you think.

00:44:35.049 --> 00:44:38.329
I mean, it is, but be a package deal, you know.

00:44:38.489 --> 00:44:44.489
Like, yes, the music has to be great, you have to be good people, but make yourself sellable, you know.

00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:50.730
Sell yourself like we've been on tour X amount of times, we're self-contained, we've done X, Y, and Z.

00:44:50.889 --> 00:44:53.049
We're not waiting for somebody to give us a handout.

00:44:53.210 --> 00:44:54.649
We're grinding, we're hostile.

00:44:55.289 --> 00:44:56.809
That's what labels want to see.

00:44:56.889 --> 00:45:01.049
I mean, that's what I look at, and I'm sure other labels are very, very similar to that.

00:45:01.289 --> 00:45:05.529
Um, we want to make sure that you know you're doing everything you need to do.

00:45:05.689 --> 00:45:09.609
Now you just need that team, that support to kind of boost you to that next level.

00:45:09.849 --> 00:45:14.569
You know, if you're waiting for everybody to hand you things, like it's not gonna happen.

00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:16.489
So, yeah.

00:45:16.730 --> 00:45:23.289
And then for an industry person, someone that's trying to like get into the music industry, like yeah, yeah.

00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:30.329
More of like a yeah, like a business level, like you know, start a label or or join a label or don't do it.

00:45:30.489 --> 00:45:32.969
Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

00:45:33.129 --> 00:45:37.049
I I used to have way less gray hair, and I blame all the bands.

00:45:37.129 --> 00:45:37.849
I tell them all too.

00:45:37.929 --> 00:45:42.329
I'm like, every friggin' year, you assholes are making me go grayer and grayer and grayer.

00:45:42.569 --> 00:45:43.769
Like, I hate you all.

00:45:44.009 --> 00:45:48.009
Um, I swear, when I started this, I was not gray at all.

00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:52.009
So I'm pretty sure another five years it is gonna be all white.

00:45:52.169 --> 00:45:58.089
So I was a hundred pounds lighter when I started this, so I understand it's wild, right?

00:45:58.250 --> 00:45:59.210
Music industry.

00:45:59.449 --> 00:46:03.289
Um, no, it's it's similar thing, you gotta have the passion for it.

00:46:03.369 --> 00:46:10.809
You know, I I've had someone, you know, on our AR team, you know, saying to me, like, hey, you know, I I kind of want to start a label one day.

00:46:10.889 --> 00:46:11.849
You know, what kind of advice?

00:46:11.929 --> 00:46:15.369
And I said the same thing like, don't, you know, don't save your money, don't.

00:46:15.529 --> 00:46:20.489
But you know, if you're going to do it, make sure the passion's there, make sure the energy is there, make sure the drive is there.

00:46:20.649 --> 00:46:21.769
It it is a lot of hard work.

00:46:21.849 --> 00:46:23.289
Don't think you can phone it in.

00:46:23.449 --> 00:46:30.329
A lot of sleepless nights, a lot, a lot, especially if you're gonna try it and do it um as a side hustle in the beginning.

00:46:30.409 --> 00:46:33.689
Yeah, you still got a full-time gig, you gotta pay your bills, all that sort of stuff.

00:46:33.769 --> 00:46:34.409
I get it.

00:46:34.569 --> 00:46:41.929
Be prepared, you know, after that five o'clock, be prepared to do that five to you know, whatever to get right done.

00:46:42.089 --> 00:46:42.889
You know what I mean?

00:46:43.049 --> 00:46:45.129
Like that's when your other job starts.

00:46:45.369 --> 00:46:54.250
So uh, my last question for you is how do we make Danny uh auto from just happy to be here into like the mascot?

00:46:54.489 --> 00:46:57.049
Is there any strings we can pull?

00:46:57.929 --> 00:47:02.489
It's the biggest question everybody had on our Patreon about this interview.

00:47:02.649 --> 00:47:08.730
They want to know where do we get Danny's energy into mascot territory?

00:47:09.929 --> 00:47:11.689
We actually do have a mascot.

00:47:11.769 --> 00:47:14.169
I don't know if you guys have seen it online or anything like that.

00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:18.569
It's got it's a full-blown costume, the whole head, the whole thing.

00:47:18.649 --> 00:47:19.769
It's kind of wild.

00:47:20.649 --> 00:47:22.089
Manny, it rhymes with Danny.

00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:28.009
Oh my god, I'm pretty sure Danny will not fit into that because it is a bit too big.

00:47:28.169 --> 00:47:31.529
Um, you know, it's like for someone that's in at least six foot.

00:47:31.689 --> 00:47:34.489
So yeah, he's a little shorter.

00:47:35.049 --> 00:47:40.169
Um, you know, maybe maybe if we put Danny on my shoulders, maybe we can both do it, you know what I mean?

00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:41.609
Um at that point.

00:47:41.849 --> 00:47:43.769
But yeah, he's got a lot of energy.

00:47:43.849 --> 00:47:44.569
I love Danny.

00:47:44.649 --> 00:47:46.250
He is it's just a great human being.

00:47:46.329 --> 00:47:47.689
So absolutely.

00:47:48.089 --> 00:47:53.129
Um is there anything that you can tell us about uh some upcoming news?

00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:58.009
You got anything in the works that uh that we could reveal here on the show?

00:47:58.250 --> 00:48:06.329
That we can reveal, no, because I'm not trying to you know piss off all the media outlets and and everybody else, like you're not getting an exclusive.

00:48:06.569 --> 00:48:10.649
I did that for like there's a couple of a couple of podcasts that have tried for that.

00:48:10.730 --> 00:48:11.289
I'm sorry.

00:48:11.529 --> 00:48:12.169
That's all right.

00:48:12.329 --> 00:48:13.929
Hey, you gotta shoot your shot, right?

00:48:14.009 --> 00:48:14.649
Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:14.809 --> 00:48:15.849
You gotta shoot your shot.

00:48:16.089 --> 00:48:22.250
Um, I can tell you we're talking to quite a few big artists right now.

00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:28.969
Um, you know, I'm having conversations with artists that I never thought I would be, if that's kind of any kind of indication.

00:48:29.369 --> 00:48:35.689
Um, and if these talks come through, yeah, it it might turn a lot of heads.

00:48:35.849 --> 00:48:37.129
So that's awesome.

00:48:37.449 --> 00:48:44.009
You know, that's something that I can say, you know, that's as far as I can really go, but um yeah.

00:48:44.730 --> 00:48:53.529
Uh what was it like working on the 20th anniversary version of On the Way Down?

00:48:53.929 --> 00:48:55.129
It was surreal.

00:48:55.369 --> 00:48:58.089
Um it and it was kind of funny.

00:48:58.250 --> 00:48:59.449
So quick story on that.

00:48:59.529 --> 00:49:03.609
I don't know if we have a time limit on this or anything like that, but so quick story on that.

00:49:03.769 --> 00:49:05.929
I remember so we were doing a media day.

00:49:06.009 --> 00:49:08.409
I was with Ryan in the city uh in New York.

00:49:08.569 --> 00:49:10.969
Um, we were at Title.

00:49:11.129 --> 00:49:15.929
We were at Title, um, doing a kind of media push for prescription of you.

00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:21.529
And you know, she's a huge Ryan Cabrera fan, which was awesome.

00:49:21.769 --> 00:49:28.809
Um, and you know, we started one thing led to another, we're talking about, and and Ryan's like, yeah, we're gonna do a 20th anniversary of On the Way Down.

00:49:28.889 --> 00:49:31.369
And this is like the first time hearing of this at this point, right?

00:49:31.449 --> 00:49:33.289
Like, we're just kind of talking about prescription of you.

00:49:33.369 --> 00:49:34.169
I had no idea.

00:49:34.329 --> 00:49:36.329
And I'm like, like, we are.

00:49:36.409 --> 00:49:38.489
He's like, Yeah, we're gonna put this out, we're gonna do this together.

00:49:38.569 --> 00:49:39.689
I was like, What?

00:49:39.849 --> 00:49:41.529
I was like, all right, cool.

00:49:41.689 --> 00:49:42.730
I guess that's happening.

00:49:42.809 --> 00:49:43.210
Awesome.

00:49:43.289 --> 00:49:44.009
Thanks, Ryan.

00:49:44.250 --> 00:49:49.609
Um, like it kind of came out of nowhere and it just kind of slapped me in the face, but I was like, All right, awesome, we're in.

00:49:49.689 --> 00:49:50.089
Yeah.

00:49:50.329 --> 00:49:54.089
Um, you know, and and the collab kind of came out of nowhere too.

00:49:54.169 --> 00:49:55.929
The rock collab that kind of came out of nowhere.

00:49:56.009 --> 00:49:57.609
I don't know if you guys know the story on that.

00:49:57.769 --> 00:49:58.489
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:49:58.730 --> 00:50:03.609
Where Ryan's wife actually found uh like ghosts, right?

00:50:04.089 --> 00:50:09.049
I owe her still an AR commission, by the way, because you know, one thing kind of led to another.

00:50:09.129 --> 00:50:14.889
We reached out, they were a really good group of dudes, and like one thing led to another, and you know, before we know it, we're signing them.

00:50:15.129 --> 00:50:15.769
You know what I mean?

00:50:16.009 --> 00:50:24.409
It's just like now it's like, oh, okay, now this cloud really makes a lot of sense because originally it was just gonna be like, hey, this works out, you know, have Ryan sing on this, whatever.

00:50:24.649 --> 00:50:32.569
And now they're part of our roster, and it was probably the one of the best things that ever happened because I love those guys, they're so phenomenal, great people, great music.

00:50:32.809 --> 00:50:36.889
Um, but yeah, I I owe Lex like commission, obviously.

00:50:37.049 --> 00:50:39.210
Uh you know, AR commission or something.

00:50:39.369 --> 00:50:41.849
Um, but yeah, because she found them, which was awesome.

00:50:42.009 --> 00:50:46.009
So speaking of that uh collaboration, the rock version, yeah.

00:50:46.169 --> 00:50:56.569
Um, so like ghosts when they came on the show, said that they had already kind of done that song, yes, right?

00:50:57.129 --> 00:50:58.569
Yes, that's how she found it.

00:50:58.969 --> 00:51:01.929
It was a it was already out, it was like just a cover, right?

00:51:02.250 --> 00:51:04.730
Rock cover version of On the Way Down.

00:51:04.809 --> 00:51:12.809
And the scary thing is, Ryan came to me and he's like, I don't know how the hell they were able to like pull my lead vocal line off of that.

00:51:12.969 --> 00:51:15.289
Uh and I asked him because even I thought that.

00:51:15.369 --> 00:51:17.449
And Gage was like, That's me singing.

00:51:17.529 --> 00:51:19.210
I'm like, get the hell out of here.

00:51:19.369 --> 00:51:21.210
That's absolutely it's terrifying.

00:51:21.289 --> 00:51:26.969
And even Ryan was just like, I thought they pulled that, you know, like that's it's insane.

00:51:27.210 --> 00:51:29.129
Now Gage is so phenomenal.

00:51:29.449 --> 00:51:35.369
When the collaboration happened, did you guys re-record or did they just pull the the master from that over?

00:51:35.929 --> 00:51:36.809
Well, you re-recorded.

00:51:37.289 --> 00:51:44.089
Yeah, so Ryan re-recorded parts that we put together, and gotcha that scream in the background, the I'm alive scream.

00:51:44.169 --> 00:51:44.809
That's Ryan.

00:51:45.369 --> 00:51:46.009
Really?

00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:48.009
Oh, huh?

00:51:48.250 --> 00:51:50.969
Yeah, I was like, damn, all right, I like it.

00:51:51.049 --> 00:51:51.849
Like, I'm hearing it wrong.

00:51:51.929 --> 00:51:54.089
I'm like, all right, that's cool.

00:51:54.409 --> 00:51:57.769
So yeah, it I thought it came out amazing.

00:51:58.089 --> 00:52:04.649
They both they both crushed it, like so um, really excited on that, and that just kind of came out of nowhere and slapped me in the face.

00:52:04.730 --> 00:52:06.250
I was like, all right, cool, guess we're doing it.

00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:12.730
Yeah, I wasn't saying no to it, you know, but I found out randomly at like some you know media day at title.

00:52:13.609 --> 00:52:16.889
Um I'm like, all right, we gotta slate this, all right, let's get going.

00:52:17.129 --> 00:52:22.329
Speaking of prescription of you, yeah, that song is absolutely incredible.

00:52:22.569 --> 00:52:28.569
Yeah, um, what a what a change for Ryan sonically, vocally.

00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:36.409
Are we going to he kind of hinted at it in the last interview, but are we going to see more of that in the near future?

00:52:36.649 --> 00:52:39.369
So you're gonna see a lot of different sides of Ryan.

00:52:39.449 --> 00:52:41.129
Um, I will tell you that.

00:52:41.289 --> 00:52:50.409
Um, you know, he is a phenomenal songwriter, he is not bound to anything in specific, uh, and I'm okay with that.

00:52:50.569 --> 00:52:51.529
You know what I mean?

00:52:51.689 --> 00:52:54.730
Like we've got some cool stuff planned.

00:52:54.889 --> 00:52:59.609
Um, we're we've got a couple of releases for this year, um, for sure.

00:52:59.849 --> 00:53:08.089
Um, one gonna be coming out sometime early, early May at this point, um, and then something a little bit later on.

00:53:08.329 --> 00:53:11.769
Um, but I I will tell you, it is different.

00:53:11.929 --> 00:53:13.369
Like everything is a bit different.

00:53:13.689 --> 00:53:15.369
You'll definitely be like, Oh, okay, that's cool.

00:53:15.449 --> 00:53:18.730
Like, it's not like it doesn't get mundane at all.

00:53:18.969 --> 00:53:20.009
I'm excited for that.

00:53:20.089 --> 00:53:21.049
Yeah, I'm super excited for that.

00:53:21.769 --> 00:53:24.569
It's it's gonna be awesome, Peter.

00:53:24.649 --> 00:53:27.849
I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:53:28.009 --> 00:53:29.689
Yeah, dude, thank you so much, you guys.

00:53:29.769 --> 00:53:30.409
Thank you for having me.

00:53:30.489 --> 00:53:32.169
I really appreciate it.

00:53:32.809 --> 00:53:34.649
Now, final question.

00:53:34.730 --> 00:53:38.409
You feel free to not answer this one as well, just like with your staff.

00:53:38.649 --> 00:53:41.689
But uh, who's your favorite podcast to work with?

00:53:41.849 --> 00:53:46.489
Uh, I mean, you know, at least like I have a number of them, but you guys are up there, hooking bridges.

00:53:46.809 --> 00:53:47.849
Yeah, there we go.

00:53:48.250 --> 00:53:49.609
You guys have been supportive.

00:53:49.769 --> 00:53:59.529
In all honesty, you guys really, you know, from the beginning have been so supportive of the artists and and and the roster and you know what we do that you know, I I truly, truly appreciate it.

00:53:59.929 --> 00:54:00.730
Thanks, man.

00:54:00.969 --> 00:54:07.129
You know, um, so we got roughly like 10-ish minutes left before Taylor's gonna completely fall asleep on us.

00:54:07.210 --> 00:54:08.809
Uh, she's had a very long day.

00:54:09.049 --> 00:54:10.489
Well, thank you for preferencing that.

00:54:10.569 --> 00:54:12.329
That was I thought you were just gonna leave it.

00:54:12.409 --> 00:54:15.210
No, no, Taylor's how many how many hours did you work today?

00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:16.169
10 and a half.

00:54:16.730 --> 00:54:17.769
10 and a half hours.

00:54:18.089 --> 00:54:20.730
Yeah, that's kind of like my usual start.

00:54:20.809 --> 00:54:24.569
I'm usually I usually typically average anywhere between 12 and 13.

00:54:24.809 --> 00:54:25.849
Yeah, somewhere around that.

00:54:27.129 --> 00:54:27.369
Yeah.

00:54:27.689 --> 00:54:32.649
Um, so this is a fun game that we like to play with typically our newer artists.

00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:35.369
Um, but in this case, uh, we're gonna play it with you.

00:54:35.449 --> 00:54:36.649
It's called mixtape.

00:54:36.730 --> 00:54:40.409
Uh, basically, you're gonna answer with a song title.

00:54:40.489 --> 00:54:42.329
It's just like cards against humanity.

00:54:42.489 --> 00:54:45.849
Um, you can either say something funny or something serious, completely up to you.

00:54:46.009 --> 00:54:46.649
Oh my god.

00:54:46.809 --> 00:54:48.250
We're gonna do five.

00:54:48.730 --> 00:54:49.769
This is so fun.

00:54:50.009 --> 00:54:53.849
This might take forever because I'm kind of blanking on any titles right now.

00:54:53.929 --> 00:54:55.210
This is what is the last song?

00:54:55.369 --> 00:54:56.569
You're allowed to use Spotify.

00:54:56.730 --> 00:54:58.730
Okay, you are yeah, you can use your tools.

00:54:58.889 --> 00:55:02.250
Um, what is the last song you listened to and cried?

00:55:02.889 --> 00:55:03.849
And cried?

00:55:04.409 --> 00:55:05.529
Oh my god.

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:09.289
God, uh golden hour.

00:55:09.769 --> 00:55:11.049
Yes, there you go.

00:55:11.210 --> 00:55:11.689
Excellent.

00:55:11.769 --> 00:55:12.169
I love it.

00:55:12.250 --> 00:55:13.849
I am totally stealing that, Taylor.

00:55:13.929 --> 00:55:15.210
Yes, golden hour.

00:55:15.289 --> 00:55:16.250
You're welcome.

00:55:17.129 --> 00:55:20.009
No joke, mine was soda squeeze.

00:55:20.409 --> 00:55:23.609
I really Red Hot Jelly Peppers this today.

00:55:23.769 --> 00:55:25.369
I don't know why.

00:55:26.009 --> 00:55:27.049
He's very emotional.

00:55:27.849 --> 00:55:28.569
Very emotional.

00:55:28.889 --> 00:55:29.689
Mine was 3 a.m.

00:55:29.929 --> 00:55:31.529
matchbox 20 the other day.

00:55:31.849 --> 00:55:32.489
Really?

00:55:32.889 --> 00:55:34.250
Yeah, that's a great song.

00:55:34.489 --> 00:55:36.250
Chris, have you cried recently?

00:55:36.489 --> 00:55:37.769
Uh yeah, well, yeah.

00:55:38.009 --> 00:55:39.529
Voices by Chris Young.

00:55:40.329 --> 00:55:40.969
Oh, okay.

00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:51.210
Um, what song would you flash mob to as you try to impress a first date?

00:55:52.089 --> 00:55:53.129
What the hell?

00:55:53.289 --> 00:55:55.049
Dude, where the fuck are you coming up with?

00:55:56.169 --> 00:55:57.289
Oh my god.

00:55:59.609 --> 00:56:01.449
I have no idea.

00:56:03.049 --> 00:56:05.529
Like, literally, kind of speechless right now.

00:56:06.169 --> 00:56:09.049
I would say Harlem Shake would be mine.

00:56:09.609 --> 00:56:11.449
Ah no, that's a comment.

00:56:11.769 --> 00:56:13.129
No, oh you can't say that.

00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:14.250
Everyone, everyone does that.

00:56:14.489 --> 00:56:16.649
LMFAO, anything by LMFAO.

00:56:17.049 --> 00:56:17.609
Anything.

00:56:17.769 --> 00:56:22.009
Um, I don't think I'm coordinated enough to do any of that, to be quite honest with you guys.

00:56:22.089 --> 00:56:23.929
Like, I'm the classic musician, right?

00:56:24.009 --> 00:56:26.409
So, like, I can't dance worth the damn.

00:56:26.569 --> 00:56:31.609
You know, I will step on somebody's feet, like legitimately, I'm terrible, you know.

00:56:31.929 --> 00:56:35.449
Are you also like slightly kind of dancing like in high school kind of shit?

00:56:35.529 --> 00:56:41.369
You know, like I have zero rhythm when it comes to that, but you know, you you give me stuff to play, got it, cool.

00:56:41.449 --> 00:56:45.210
No problem are you slightly off off tempo on instruments?

00:56:45.449 --> 00:56:49.289
No, no, no, I just I can't dance for shit.

00:56:49.449 --> 00:56:51.929
Like it took me a problem, buddy.

00:56:52.329 --> 00:57:00.329
I was gonna say it took me years to to get like that coordination, like like timing down as a musician.

00:57:00.489 --> 00:57:09.289
Yeah, so you know what the thing really was was when I was learning, they had like the metronome, like old school style, and they would give me like a digital metronome and be like, all right, play the click, and I'm like, uh, this sucks.

00:57:09.529 --> 00:57:11.849
So like you go to sleep and you hear the freaking click in your head.

00:57:11.929 --> 00:57:13.129
Oh, yeah, you know what I mean.

00:57:13.289 --> 00:57:17.689
So now every time I ever do any kind of studio work, it's like in my brain, it's like PTSD.

00:57:17.769 --> 00:57:18.489
You know what I mean?

00:57:18.569 --> 00:57:22.009
It's like, oh my god, you just hear the click as you go to bed.

00:57:22.329 --> 00:57:26.730
When you were when you're working in the studio, you still throw the metronome on there, make sure everything sinks up.

00:57:26.889 --> 00:57:29.769
Oh, we're every band plays the click.

00:57:30.089 --> 00:57:30.730
Every band.

00:57:30.889 --> 00:57:34.250
I've had a band once years ago be like, Oh, we're gonna be punk rock, we're not playing a click.

00:57:34.329 --> 00:57:36.649
I'm like, get the fuck out, get the fuck out.

00:57:36.809 --> 00:57:37.929
That is not happening.

00:57:38.009 --> 00:57:38.569
That is not a good thing.

00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:40.089
Do you put it in the contract?

00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:50.489
Are you like, you have to play to a no, but I know what's gonna happen because we've been working with John Declario for like almost 10 years at this point, and I've known John for 20 something years.

00:57:50.649 --> 00:57:55.449
I know if I give him something that is not to a click, he's gonna be like, What the actual fuck is this?

00:57:55.689 --> 00:57:56.730
Get it out of here.

00:57:56.969 --> 00:57:58.089
Like, I can't.

00:57:58.169 --> 00:57:59.449
I what do you want me to do with this?

00:57:59.609 --> 00:58:01.289
Yep, which I don't blame him.

00:58:02.329 --> 00:58:06.489
It's a time saver, it's a time saver for everybody involved in the process.

00:58:06.730 --> 00:58:08.809
Yeah, play no goddamn click, yeah.

00:58:08.969 --> 00:58:10.409
Yeah, yeah, be a professional.

00:58:10.649 --> 00:58:12.089
Be a professional, play no click.

00:58:12.409 --> 00:58:15.769
You know, I don't expect you to like be a robot and snap to grid.

00:58:15.849 --> 00:58:17.210
That's what you know, right.

00:58:17.289 --> 00:58:19.609
Um, you know, beat detective is for.

00:58:19.689 --> 00:58:21.289
But like, give me a break.

00:58:21.449 --> 00:58:22.169
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:24.969 --> 00:58:26.649
Oh, that's a hilarious answer.

00:58:26.730 --> 00:58:28.089
I want to be punk rock.

00:58:28.250 --> 00:58:29.689
It sounds to me like you don't know how to play.

00:58:30.009 --> 00:58:32.569
Swear to God, swear to god, they said I was like, I want to be punk rock.

00:58:32.649 --> 00:58:33.609
I'm like, you know what's punk rock?

00:58:33.689 --> 00:58:34.889
Playing to a goddamn click.

00:58:34.969 --> 00:58:37.129
That is that's an odd way to say you don't have rhythm.

00:58:37.529 --> 00:58:40.489
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

00:58:40.649 --> 00:58:44.329
I'm like, you are literally insulting every major punk rock band out there.

00:58:44.649 --> 00:58:46.730
Just guarantee you their records are a click.

00:58:47.609 --> 00:58:49.929
They play to a click, you know.

00:58:51.210 --> 00:58:52.569
This next one's a little deep.

00:58:52.649 --> 00:58:53.609
I apologize.

00:58:53.849 --> 00:58:56.889
What song reminds you most of your father?

00:58:57.529 --> 00:58:59.929
Oh, that that's okay.

00:59:01.449 --> 00:59:03.849
Nickelbacks, this is how you remind me.

00:59:04.169 --> 00:59:08.730
I could uh geez, I could do the Green Day cop out, which is that song I can't remember off the top of my head.

00:59:08.809 --> 00:59:10.569
It's off of Saviors shit.

00:59:10.809 --> 00:59:11.449
Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

00:59:11.689 --> 00:59:12.089
You know what I mean?

00:59:12.250 --> 00:59:13.210
Um Trey wrote it.

00:59:13.529 --> 00:59:15.849
Trey and uh yeah, Trey wrote it for dude.

00:59:15.929 --> 00:59:17.049
That song's so sad.

00:59:17.210 --> 00:59:17.849
Yeah, it is.

00:59:18.329 --> 00:59:19.289
Yeah, yeah.

00:59:19.529 --> 00:59:21.129
Um, what a great album.

00:59:21.289 --> 00:59:22.730
Yeah, oh I love Saviors.

00:59:22.809 --> 00:59:24.089
I I'm a huge Green Day fan.

00:59:24.169 --> 00:59:25.289
Like I grew up too.

00:59:25.369 --> 00:59:26.009
Yeah, I grew up.

00:59:26.250 --> 00:59:27.529
You freaking love Green Day.

00:59:27.769 --> 00:59:31.049
Um, you know, I went to a show once, and this is this is really funny.

00:59:31.210 --> 00:59:35.609
Um, uh it got to uh got a show, it was at Starland, it was small, small venue.

00:59:35.689 --> 00:59:41.689
Like they did that small venue tour a number of years back where it was like you know, a couple thousand caprooms.

00:59:42.009 --> 00:59:53.689
Um, I was fortunate enough, and I'm sitting there in the show, and like they played something off of I think 10,039 or the kids like there was like you know, 16-year-old kid, 17-year-old kid sitting next to me.

00:59:53.849 --> 00:59:55.289
He's like, dude, this is a brand new tune.

00:59:55.449 --> 00:59:56.969
I'm like, Oh god, dude.

00:59:57.129 --> 00:59:58.329
No, it's not.

00:59:58.409 --> 00:59:59.289
He's like, What do you mean?

00:59:59.369 --> 01:00:01.769
I'm like, bro, this thing is probably older than you are.

01:00:02.009 --> 01:00:06.169
Like, this thing's off of this like record from like 1992 or something like that.

01:00:06.329 --> 01:00:09.369
Like, I was like, All right, I need a I need a drink now.

01:00:09.449 --> 01:00:10.569
I am thoroughly depressed.

01:00:10.649 --> 01:00:13.210
This kid has definitely aged me.

01:00:14.009 --> 01:00:16.809
I'm gonna go get a whiskey, you know.

01:00:17.049 --> 01:00:30.169
So this is this is our terrible fun fact around here, but um, Jason White, the fourth member, uh, we Taylor and I are very, very close friends with his family.

01:00:30.809 --> 01:00:33.769
Yeah, legitimately best friends.

01:00:34.089 --> 01:00:34.889
Like Taylor.

01:00:36.250 --> 01:00:39.609
I've been trying to get him on the show for years, but it hasn't happened.

01:00:39.769 --> 01:00:42.569
I just never stop, they just never stop.

01:00:43.129 --> 01:00:43.689
Right, right.

01:00:43.929 --> 01:00:49.529
Um, when offspring, and you guys have my word now, when offspring stops, we will get Todd on.

01:00:49.609 --> 01:00:51.609
I will get oh, dude, that would be incredible.

01:00:51.849 --> 01:00:56.569
I'll get Todd on because we're gonna be getting a new record from him at some point when offspring takes away.

01:00:57.449 --> 01:00:58.169
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:58.329 --> 01:00:59.210
We we talked.

01:00:59.369 --> 01:01:05.529
Like I saw him uh this summer, this past summer in New Jersey when they did the offspring date, which was a phenomenal show, by the way.

01:01:05.609 --> 01:01:09.529
It was offspring, um, and newfound glory.

01:01:09.769 --> 01:01:12.409
Yeah, amazing, absolutely amazing.

01:01:12.569 --> 01:01:15.609
Um, but like I saw Todd and I'm like, we could get a new record out.

01:01:15.689 --> 01:01:18.329
He's like, Yeah, when we actually stop, which yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:01:18.969 --> 01:01:20.730
Finally stop and kind of wind down a bit.

01:01:20.889 --> 01:01:22.809
When that happens, we're gonna get a new record.

01:01:22.889 --> 01:01:24.569
So absolutely want him on for sure.

01:01:24.730 --> 01:01:31.929
There, this weird resurgence of the early 2000s has made it so difficult to get artists on recently.

01:01:32.009 --> 01:01:35.289
Yeah, just because everybody's like, I'd love to, but we're slammed.

01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:37.210
We've we're doing a year-long tour.

01:01:37.449 --> 01:01:38.009
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:38.169 --> 01:01:41.849
I mean, and all spring hasn't stopped, they've they've been going for like the last two plus years.

01:01:42.009 --> 01:01:42.489
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:42.569 --> 01:01:47.849
Every festival, they got their tours, they're doing um the the cruise, right?

01:01:47.929 --> 01:01:49.129
They do the cruise too.

01:01:49.289 --> 01:01:50.009
Yeah, they did.

01:01:50.089 --> 01:01:52.649
Yep, yeah, it's crazy, man.

01:01:52.889 --> 01:01:54.649
Yeah, but eventually it will wind down.

01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:59.689
When we do, we'll get into work with with him for for a new record, so which will be cool.

01:01:59.769 --> 01:02:00.169
Hell yeah.

01:02:00.250 --> 01:02:00.569
Yep.

01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:03.289
Um last last one for you.

01:02:03.449 --> 01:02:03.609
Okay.

01:02:04.009 --> 01:02:06.250
Best song to hang drywall to.

01:02:06.329 --> 01:02:08.169
What's your what's your go-to work song?

01:02:08.409 --> 01:02:09.049
Oh god.

01:02:09.289 --> 01:02:14.409
All right, this is gonna be terrible, and uh you know, this is gonna get so much backlash.

01:02:14.489 --> 01:02:18.409
It's not a favorite song, but is it can I do like you know, yeah, and whatever?

01:02:18.569 --> 01:02:19.210
Yeah, all right.

01:02:19.289 --> 01:02:21.449
I'm ready for the the groans.

01:02:21.849 --> 01:02:25.049
Um, I've been starting to listen to nickelback a lot lately.

01:02:25.289 --> 01:02:25.769
Hell yeah.

01:02:27.210 --> 01:02:28.809
We love we love nickelback.

01:02:29.049 --> 01:02:30.009
All right, all right, cool.

01:02:30.169 --> 01:02:32.649
All right, the nickelback hate is so forced.

01:02:32.809 --> 01:02:34.250
Yeah, it is so forced.

01:02:34.489 --> 01:02:35.369
They are phenomenal.

01:02:35.529 --> 01:02:36.809
Have you guys seen that documentary?

01:02:36.889 --> 01:02:40.489
It came out a couple of years back on Netflix, and like I just recently stumbled upon it.

01:02:40.649 --> 01:02:44.409
I was like, damn, I have so much more respect for these guys than I ever did before.

01:02:44.569 --> 01:02:48.809
It's just also one of the greatest metal bands of the 2000s.

01:02:48.889 --> 01:02:49.210
Like, true.

01:02:49.449 --> 01:02:55.289
If you look at like Silver Side Up and uh uh what's that other album with the car on the front of it?

01:02:55.369 --> 01:02:59.289
Uh oh had Follow You Down and all those songs on there.

01:02:59.769 --> 01:03:02.409
Uh uh oh my god, I uh all the right reasons.

01:03:02.809 --> 01:03:04.089
All the right reasons, yep, yep, yeah.

01:03:04.169 --> 01:03:04.489
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:04.649 --> 01:03:07.529
Those those two albums are so heavy, man.

01:03:08.569 --> 01:03:09.849
Fantastic, dude.

01:03:09.929 --> 01:03:11.049
I love Nickelback.

01:03:11.129 --> 01:03:15.609
Yeah, they're I would say Dolly Parton's nine to five, though, is my works.

01:03:17.129 --> 01:03:18.089
That is a great one, though.

01:03:18.169 --> 01:03:19.449
I have to like I'll give you that one.

01:03:19.529 --> 01:03:21.210
That one's really good.

01:03:21.529 --> 01:03:22.969
Uh Chris, what about you?

01:03:23.129 --> 01:03:24.569
I know you got something cooking down there.

01:03:26.329 --> 01:03:28.089
Uh, I'm actually looking at my playlist.

01:03:28.250 --> 01:03:29.449
I don't use Spotify.

01:03:29.609 --> 01:03:29.929
Okay.

01:03:30.089 --> 01:03:34.730
No, we can't get Pandora to um like listen to the comedy station.

01:03:34.969 --> 01:03:37.210
Golden oldies sometimes, but okay.

01:03:37.449 --> 01:03:39.129
If I like a song, I'd buy it.

01:03:39.369 --> 01:03:41.929
There, no, I'm not a Spotify guy either.

01:03:42.009 --> 01:03:47.849
I do Amazon music just because it comes with Prime or whatever, but you know, I I would rather buy music.

01:03:47.929 --> 01:03:49.689
Uh it's just old school.

01:03:50.169 --> 01:03:52.409
I'm a record collector, so I understand.

01:03:52.489 --> 01:03:53.210
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:53.369 --> 01:03:58.649
Yeah, I'd rather have I have Spotify on anything by the Beastie Boys.

01:03:59.049 --> 01:04:00.329
Anything by the Beastie Boys?

01:04:00.489 --> 01:04:02.569
Okay, anything little brass monkey?

01:04:02.649 --> 01:04:03.289
I'm scrolling.

01:04:03.369 --> 01:04:04.889
Oh, yeah, that's like a beastie, yeah.

01:04:05.529 --> 01:04:06.569
Yeah, yeah.

01:04:06.730 --> 01:04:08.569
Uh Taylor, what about you?

01:04:09.049 --> 01:04:15.849
Oh honestly, recently I've been on a blink 182 kick.

01:04:16.009 --> 01:04:16.489
There you go.

01:04:16.730 --> 01:04:17.210
There you go.

01:04:17.289 --> 01:04:17.689
Hell yeah.

01:04:17.849 --> 01:04:19.689
Yeah, I've been jamming out lately.

01:04:20.169 --> 01:04:21.929
Lil Lil, where are you action?

01:04:22.250 --> 01:04:23.369
Where are you?

01:04:25.609 --> 01:04:26.889
Go for it, send the rest.

01:04:27.129 --> 01:04:27.769
Let's go.

01:04:28.089 --> 01:04:28.969
I'm so sorry.

01:04:29.210 --> 01:04:30.649
No, definitely don't do that.

01:04:31.289 --> 01:04:32.250
She will, huh?

01:04:32.489 --> 01:04:33.129
I will.

01:04:34.569 --> 01:04:36.569
We've used the allowed amount.

01:04:37.289 --> 01:04:37.849
Damn.

01:04:38.809 --> 01:04:40.089
Someone get the hook.

01:04:40.250 --> 01:04:40.889
Damn.

01:04:44.569 --> 01:04:45.929
Peter, thank you so much, man.

01:04:46.009 --> 01:04:47.049
This has been absolutely awesome.

01:04:47.769 --> 01:04:48.809
This has been so much fun.

01:04:49.049 --> 01:04:50.329
Yeah, I had a great time.

01:04:50.409 --> 01:04:50.969
Thank you guys.

01:04:51.049 --> 01:04:51.849
I really, really appreciate it.

01:04:52.089 --> 01:04:52.569
Absolutely.

01:04:52.730 --> 01:04:54.250
So we'll see you again in a year.

01:04:54.329 --> 01:04:56.489
I'm gonna ask for some more info.

01:04:57.129 --> 01:04:59.849
I'll come back before that if you want to hang out again.

01:05:01.289 --> 01:05:02.489
I I might just hit you up.

01:05:02.569 --> 01:05:06.009
Just I have other industry questions I'd like to know some stuff about.

01:05:06.409 --> 01:05:07.449
You have my email, yeah.

01:05:08.009 --> 01:05:09.049
You know, we'll get on a call.

01:05:09.689 --> 01:05:09.849
Okay.

01:05:10.089 --> 01:05:10.250
Yeah.

01:05:10.649 --> 01:05:10.969
Awesome.

01:05:11.609 --> 01:05:12.250
Oh, yeah, dude.

01:05:12.329 --> 01:05:13.609
Well, thank you again for coming on, man.

01:05:13.689 --> 01:05:14.089
I appreciate it.

01:05:14.730 --> 01:05:15.449
I appreciate it.

01:05:15.609 --> 01:05:16.169
Thank you guys.

01:05:16.329 --> 01:05:17.369
All right, see you later.

01:05:17.769 --> 01:05:18.009
Yeah.

01:05:23.529 --> 01:05:24.169
All right.

01:05:24.569 --> 01:05:26.089
And then there were three.

01:05:26.730 --> 01:05:35.210
Uh hey, that's another uh uh thing, uh uh Green Day reference.

01:05:35.849 --> 01:05:39.289
Um they had three albums, Uno Dos and Trace.

01:05:40.569 --> 01:05:45.210
I knew that because I'm a super fan, and that's exactly what I was referencing.

01:05:47.129 --> 01:05:52.969
Um they also did quattro, I think, because of uh Jason.

01:05:53.210 --> 01:05:54.089
I think so.

01:05:54.489 --> 01:05:57.049
Um no, close.

01:05:58.569 --> 01:06:00.489
Um no, that was awesome, man.

01:06:00.569 --> 01:06:01.689
I love Peter so much.

01:06:02.250 --> 01:06:03.210
I love Peter.

01:06:03.689 --> 01:06:04.569
That was great.

01:06:04.969 --> 01:06:06.089
I love Peter.

01:06:10.569 --> 01:06:11.049
I love it.

01:06:11.369 --> 01:06:12.809
I like it better this way.

01:06:14.169 --> 01:06:19.129
Um why are we why are we why do we look like this?

01:06:19.609 --> 01:06:20.409
What you mean?

01:06:21.609 --> 01:06:23.049
This is how this is how we usually look.

01:06:23.689 --> 01:06:24.649
Rectangular.

01:06:25.129 --> 01:06:26.329
This is how we usually look, buddy.

01:06:26.569 --> 01:06:27.129
Do I do I know?

01:06:27.769 --> 01:06:28.889
Look this white?

01:06:29.529 --> 01:06:30.169
Yes.

01:06:32.009 --> 01:06:32.889
I'm not going there.

01:06:33.049 --> 01:06:34.169
I'm not going there.

01:06:37.049 --> 01:06:38.009
Nice hat.

01:06:38.730 --> 01:06:39.609
Thank you.

01:06:40.809 --> 01:06:42.889
Is that a wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:06:42.969 --> 01:06:44.329
Is that a Dave Chappelle shirt?

01:06:46.329 --> 01:06:47.529
What the fuck?

01:06:48.250 --> 01:06:49.689
Would you like to see the rest of it?

01:06:49.929 --> 01:06:51.929
Where did you get a Dave Chappelle shirt?

01:06:52.329 --> 01:06:54.569
Or should I wait till you stop recording?

01:06:54.730 --> 01:06:55.369
Let's wait.

01:06:55.609 --> 01:06:56.329
Let's wait.

01:06:56.569 --> 01:06:58.489
Yeah, to make a good first impression.

01:06:58.730 --> 01:07:03.129
Um no, I honestly, guys, I think that was one of my favorite interviews.

01:07:03.210 --> 01:07:04.569
I think mine too.

01:07:04.889 --> 01:07:06.730
That was super oh go ahead.

01:07:07.210 --> 01:07:08.169
No, you go ahead.

01:07:08.250 --> 01:07:09.129
I insist.

01:07:09.369 --> 01:07:09.929
Oh, okay.

01:07:10.089 --> 01:07:14.169
I was just gonna say that was super detailed, and I like I like getting detailed in in the music world.

01:07:14.409 --> 01:07:14.969
You do.

01:07:15.849 --> 01:07:16.730
And it was nice.

01:07:16.889 --> 01:07:24.009
It was nice to hear it was nice to hear somebody talk like a normal human being.

01:07:24.329 --> 01:07:24.649
Yeah.

01:07:25.049 --> 01:07:31.849
Oh yeah, just like some of them are just douchey, and I'm like, yes, there you go.

01:07:32.089 --> 01:07:33.210
We love Peter.

01:07:33.689 --> 01:07:35.369
They did not tell him about our show.

01:07:35.449 --> 01:07:36.569
That's crazy.

01:07:38.569 --> 01:07:40.089
Did you like my joke in the beginning?

01:07:40.250 --> 01:07:41.689
Did it set us up for success?

01:07:42.409 --> 01:07:43.289
Good, good, good, good.

01:07:43.609 --> 01:07:49.210
Listen, we have to do crappy okay again next time we have Peter on.

01:07:50.009 --> 01:07:50.969
Oh yeah.

01:07:51.289 --> 01:07:52.009
That would be funny.

01:07:52.329 --> 01:07:52.809
Perfect.

01:07:53.049 --> 01:07:53.689
That would be fun.

01:07:54.009 --> 01:07:56.250
Um, I've been thinking about this the whole episode.

01:07:56.409 --> 01:07:57.769
You know how Chris was like that.

01:07:57.929 --> 01:07:58.649
I did my hair.

01:07:58.889 --> 01:08:00.250
Chris, I need to clarify.

01:08:00.409 --> 01:08:01.369
I just washed it.

01:08:01.449 --> 01:08:03.210
I took a shower right before this.

01:08:03.929 --> 01:08:05.449
Do you not normally do that?

01:08:06.250 --> 01:08:07.289
Before the show?

01:08:07.529 --> 01:08:09.289
At 10 o'clock at night.

01:08:10.089 --> 01:08:10.969
It's nine.

01:08:12.089 --> 01:08:13.369
It started at eight.

01:08:13.769 --> 01:08:16.329
Well, no, it was it just happened to be hair wash day.

01:08:16.730 --> 01:08:19.210
Oh but she's all natural.

01:08:19.770 --> 01:08:22.250
So um hair wash day?

01:08:22.409 --> 01:08:24.569
Yeah, I wash my hair every day.

01:08:24.890 --> 01:08:27.369
I wish I could.

01:08:27.689 --> 01:08:27.850
Okay.

01:08:28.170 --> 01:08:28.810
Scroll up.

01:08:31.130 --> 01:08:31.609
Anyhow.

01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:36.970
Uh so hopefully hopefully the uh hopefully the mic issue doesn't uh come through.

01:08:37.369 --> 01:08:39.130
There was there was no mic issue.

01:08:39.689 --> 01:08:42.250
See, there is on my end, and Chris was hearing it too.

01:08:42.489 --> 01:08:42.810
Yeah.

01:08:43.050 --> 01:08:44.170
Oh no, is it me?

01:08:44.250 --> 01:08:46.010
The I try to keep myself muted the whole time.

01:08:46.329 --> 01:08:48.090
No, it's only Harley, and it was occasionally.

01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:48.889
It wasn't as bad as I think.

01:08:49.210 --> 01:08:51.050
See, I only I only heard it with you guys.

01:08:51.130 --> 01:08:52.170
I don't hear it when I talk.

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:58.649
I only hear Well, Chris and I are perfect, so regardless, hopefully it's not as bad.

01:08:58.809 --> 01:09:02.329
Because I mean it was crackling the entire time, but we'll see.

01:09:02.569 --> 01:09:03.449
Well hopeful, hopefully.

01:09:03.609 --> 01:09:04.090
I don't know.

01:09:04.329 --> 01:09:05.609
I can't figure it out, man.

01:09:05.689 --> 01:09:06.809
I'm not smart enough for this.

01:09:06.889 --> 01:09:08.329
I think I'm gonna quit.

01:09:08.729 --> 01:09:09.050
Okay.

01:09:10.809 --> 01:09:13.210
Um no, that was awesome, man.

01:09:13.289 --> 01:09:14.010
I really enjoyed it.

01:09:14.569 --> 01:09:15.769
That was so much fun.

01:09:15.929 --> 01:09:16.970
I love Peter.

01:09:17.529 --> 01:09:18.329
Peter James.

01:09:18.569 --> 01:09:18.809
Peter.

01:09:19.529 --> 01:09:28.329
And I I like that uh I like that he uh was really cool about me asking some exclusive questions.

01:09:28.649 --> 01:09:30.329
Do you guys think I could sell this?

01:09:30.729 --> 01:09:31.449
Uh probably.

01:09:32.170 --> 01:09:32.489
Patreon.

01:09:33.689 --> 01:09:36.090
Patreon, do you think uh Taylor should sell her gum?

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And if so, do you want to buy it?

01:09:37.369 --> 01:09:38.809
We'll throw it up on the Patreon five dollars.

01:09:38.970 --> 01:09:41.689
Oh, even make it into a perfect square for you guys.

01:09:42.649 --> 01:09:43.449
You heard it here.

01:09:43.609 --> 01:09:45.369
Patreon members, you heard it here first.

01:09:45.449 --> 01:09:53.210
If you sign up for the five dollar a month Patreon, we will send you a piece of Taylor's gum pre-chewed.

01:09:54.409 --> 01:10:00.889
How creepy would it be if like tomorrow I just woke up and there was like 30 new Patreon subscribers?

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You better make it a bidding more.

01:10:03.529 --> 01:10:05.529
No, no, you better get to chewing.

01:10:05.609 --> 01:10:07.130
Yeah, you better get to chewing.

01:10:09.369 --> 01:10:10.250
We made a promise.

01:10:10.409 --> 01:10:11.849
We need the five dollars.

01:10:14.170 --> 01:10:16.409
But for real though, our Patreon's doing awesome.

01:10:16.569 --> 01:10:20.329
I I I love uh the Patreon subscribers are doing great.

01:10:20.489 --> 01:10:22.970
Yeah, I need to get on there and interact.

01:10:23.210 --> 01:10:32.649
Sorry everybody, my voice is screwed up again here in the great state of yeah, we can say we said it.

01:10:32.729 --> 01:10:43.289
Yeah, in the great state of Virginia, we've had like three of like 70 degrees, it went from freezing to 70 allergy for$50.

01:10:43.849 --> 01:10:45.130
I'll what's it called?

01:10:45.289 --> 01:10:47.210
Doxing, is that what it's called?

01:10:47.529 --> 01:10:50.090
Chris, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

01:10:51.929 --> 01:10:56.250
In case I was gonna say, in case you didn't see his hat, I think Chris is all right with that.

01:10:56.489 --> 01:10:58.970
Yeah, oh yeah, perfect.

01:10:59.210 --> 01:11:03.849
If anybody wants to come tour my junkyard, perfect.

01:11:04.010 --> 01:11:11.210
We we have a petting zoo right now, it's just got chickens, but oh laza bock buck box.

01:11:11.289 --> 01:11:12.170
Am I right?

01:11:12.569 --> 01:11:20.809
Um, so I think it's hilarious that that they told him about the questions.

01:11:21.130 --> 01:11:22.729
I think that's so funny.

01:11:23.289 --> 01:11:25.769
I should have asked the question I told you.

01:11:26.250 --> 01:11:27.689
Ooh, well, I don't know, man.

01:11:27.769 --> 01:11:28.090
I don't know.

01:11:29.769 --> 01:11:31.210
So he wouldn't have.

01:11:31.449 --> 01:11:35.130
Um, so here's uh I would I just want because I think it's really funny.

01:11:35.210 --> 01:11:40.409
I just want to read you what um what I had sent, right?

01:11:40.569 --> 01:11:52.329
So uh they reached out to me to let me know that we were gonna be able to have Peter on, and I responded and I said, uh, between you and I, could I get some fun stories from around the office?

01:11:52.489 --> 01:12:07.369
It will make the interview more fun, and it'll show we really dug in deep on our research and have fun little Easter eggs for all of the uh Mannequat employees to, you know, kind of kind of talk about some office gossip, you know what I mean?

01:12:08.090 --> 01:12:20.010
Um especially if they are a surprise for him in the interview, to which I got a response saying that they loved that idea and that they would talk to the team and see what they could do.

01:12:21.130 --> 01:12:27.050
And then they sent them to Peter, and he had to approve.

01:12:29.769 --> 01:12:30.729
That's smart.

01:12:32.250 --> 01:12:34.010
I love it, I think it's great.

01:12:34.170 --> 01:12:36.569
No, he's that my boy, that's my boy.

01:12:36.809 --> 01:12:39.449
Yeah, I can't show him on the internet right now, though.

01:12:39.689 --> 01:12:43.609
He's taking a bath, he's taking a bath, he's dinky bow.

01:12:44.090 --> 01:12:47.369
Um, I just I think that's so funny though.

01:12:47.529 --> 01:12:49.369
Dude, I'm gonna start using that quote though.

01:12:50.010 --> 01:12:51.289
Oh, yeah, get that bag.

01:12:51.529 --> 01:12:53.449
Yeah, I'm just trying to get that bag.

01:12:53.689 --> 01:13:00.489
If you think for one minute on Monday, I'm not writing that on the board where I used to have a picture of Scooby-Doo, you're crazy.

01:13:00.809 --> 01:13:03.929
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:04.250 --> 01:13:10.329
I'm gonna draw Bluey's dad, Bandit, and I'm gonna put a speech bubble, and it's gonna say I'm all about that bag.

01:13:10.569 --> 01:13:12.489
I'm all about that bag.

01:13:13.769 --> 01:13:14.649
Oh, dude.

01:13:14.889 --> 01:13:16.170
Oh, that is so funny.

01:13:16.409 --> 01:13:17.050
All right, guys.

01:13:17.130 --> 01:13:21.689
Well, I know you guys are both very tired, exhausted, beyond exhausted.

01:13:22.010 --> 01:13:24.569
I plan on playing Phasmophobia after this.

01:13:24.809 --> 01:13:25.369
Oh, yeah.

01:13:25.609 --> 01:13:27.289
Of course, you're a mad man.

01:13:27.609 --> 01:13:28.809
Taylor, have you played it?

01:13:28.970 --> 01:13:30.170
No, she's watched.

01:13:30.489 --> 01:13:31.449
I've watched.

01:13:31.689 --> 01:13:32.889
No, you should play it.

01:13:33.130 --> 01:13:34.569
I'm a watcher, not a player.

01:13:34.729 --> 01:13:36.329
Have you played Pokopia?

01:13:37.210 --> 01:13:38.729
He's a watcher, not a doer.

01:13:38.970 --> 01:13:40.489
Yeah, I like to watch.

01:13:40.809 --> 01:13:44.010
I like to watch that's sick.

01:13:46.010 --> 01:13:52.170
I said watch or poke is awesome, but so is Phasmophobia.

01:13:52.329 --> 01:13:56.170
Now I I feel like I have to like make a 6-7 decision.

01:13:56.809 --> 01:13:58.250
I don't know what to choose.

01:13:58.729 --> 01:14:00.010
Um, please tell me why.

01:14:00.170 --> 01:14:02.489
Sorry, guys, I know we all want to get off here.

01:14:02.649 --> 01:14:13.449
Um, we were having a very important meeting today, and we were talking about numbers, and someone said 667, and in an instant, everyone in the room who was having a very important meeting went.

01:14:14.649 --> 01:14:16.889
God, on command.

01:14:17.210 --> 01:14:18.970
Look, guys, I'm 33.

01:14:19.130 --> 01:14:24.409
I got some gray in my beard, but uh I'm getting to the grumpy old man thing.

01:14:24.489 --> 01:14:38.569
Like anytime I hear that, I just want to like stick a screwdriver like when I'm counting exercises, or when patients are counting exercises and they go six, seven every time.

01:14:39.210 --> 01:14:45.050
Chris, we have to, as the older generation, we have to lean in because if we don't, they win.

01:14:45.689 --> 01:14:47.849
We can't let the commie kids win.

01:14:48.010 --> 01:14:48.729
Dude, that's true.

01:14:49.050 --> 01:14:52.010
So I'm gonna get a six tattooed here and a seven there.

01:14:52.250 --> 01:14:52.489
Perfect.

01:14:56.250 --> 01:14:57.130
Yes, yep.

01:14:57.449 --> 01:14:59.449
While you're at it, I would get a teardrop.

01:15:00.409 --> 01:15:01.210
Perfect.

01:15:01.449 --> 01:15:05.689
I was thinking like a fruit roll up, like halfway unrolled, you know.

01:15:06.649 --> 01:15:06.970
Yeah.

01:15:07.289 --> 01:15:07.689
Hot.

01:15:07.849 --> 01:15:08.409
You should.

01:15:08.729 --> 01:15:10.729
Then I'm going to start my music career.

01:15:10.970 --> 01:15:11.369
Yes.

01:15:11.609 --> 01:15:12.010
Perfect.

01:15:12.170 --> 01:15:14.170
That is a prerequisite for cracking.

01:15:14.329 --> 01:15:16.090
It is a prerequisite these days.

01:15:16.649 --> 01:15:17.609
I agree.

01:15:18.809 --> 01:15:22.010
Noah's gonna be so pissed that I talked about him in this episode.

01:15:22.250 --> 01:15:23.609
Hey, he was texting me.

01:15:24.010 --> 01:15:24.970
It's his hair day, too.

01:15:25.050 --> 01:15:27.449
He's taking a shower and then he's gonna jump on the game.

01:15:28.010 --> 01:15:28.569
Well, there you go.

01:15:28.649 --> 01:15:29.369
You got somebody to play.

01:15:30.409 --> 01:15:32.170
It's almost like you guys are related.

01:15:33.130 --> 01:15:35.849
Yo, they love phasmophobia so much.

01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:39.609
That's all it's all Noah talks about, dude.

01:15:39.849 --> 01:15:42.569
Did you not did you not know Noah and I are related?

01:15:42.809 --> 01:15:43.369
No, I know.

01:15:43.449 --> 01:15:44.010
Oh, okay.

01:15:44.090 --> 01:15:45.609
I'm sitting there going like, yeah, we are.

01:15:45.929 --> 01:15:46.729
Yeah, we are.

01:15:46.809 --> 01:15:47.289
No, I know.

01:15:47.529 --> 01:15:51.849
Also, when you see him or when when you talk to him on the game, let him know he's a cheater.

01:15:52.170 --> 01:15:54.090
He cheated in phasmophobia.

01:15:54.409 --> 01:15:56.329
I called him out on it during OSHA training.

01:15:56.489 --> 01:15:58.090
I didn't.

01:15:58.729 --> 01:16:03.050
I believed him because that's what you're supposed to do in life.

01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:05.210
You're supposed to do it on purpose.

01:16:05.609 --> 01:16:07.609
He didn't do it at per on purpose at first.

01:16:07.849 --> 01:16:11.849
At first, he was joining random matches and was like, oh, okay, cool.

01:16:12.090 --> 01:16:13.289
I have not done that.

01:16:13.369 --> 01:16:15.050
I'm still level 19.

01:16:15.689 --> 01:16:19.289
I am level 13 on one and 21 on the other.

01:16:19.609 --> 01:16:26.569
I would like the record to show that anytime I call Harley and Noah is there, I like to make it a point to bring Chris up and say that he's my favorite.

01:16:28.649 --> 01:16:29.929
Just letting you know.

01:16:30.489 --> 01:16:34.729
Oh when you when you talk to Noah, let him know that he makes fake music also.

01:16:34.970 --> 01:16:36.489
Be like, hey, I heard you make fake music.

01:16:36.649 --> 01:16:37.689
Was that him who did it?

01:16:37.929 --> 01:16:38.250
Yeah.

01:16:38.489 --> 01:16:38.729
Yeah.

01:16:38.889 --> 01:16:42.729
Oh, dude, I'm racking my brain, like yeah.

01:16:42.889 --> 01:16:44.569
Who was he got dude?

01:16:44.649 --> 01:16:48.250
He got actually like so pissed off at me the other day about it.

01:16:48.489 --> 01:16:53.289
Because like I don't take too many things like super seriously, but you know, I take music very seriously.

01:16:53.609 --> 01:16:54.649
Music and Helen Keller.

01:16:54.889 --> 01:16:55.849
So you take it seriously.

01:16:56.010 --> 01:17:00.409
So I tried to have a genuine conversation about it, and he just was not having it.

01:17:00.649 --> 01:17:02.010
And the moon landing.

01:17:03.369 --> 01:17:04.090
I take facts.

01:17:05.289 --> 01:17:08.010
I take facts and music very seriously.

01:17:08.970 --> 01:17:09.849
Okay, sheeple.

01:17:10.250 --> 01:17:10.569
Okay.

01:17:11.689 --> 01:17:14.250
We gotta we gotta schedule that, by the way.

01:17:14.809 --> 01:17:16.010
We gotta get that going.

01:17:16.250 --> 01:17:18.329
Taylor is my expert, by the way.

01:17:18.649 --> 01:17:20.809
I'm an expert in so many things.

01:17:21.609 --> 01:17:23.369
Well, she's not gonna be here in person.

01:17:23.449 --> 01:17:25.130
It's gotta be an in-person expert.

01:17:25.449 --> 01:17:27.609
Taylor, the show's gonna fly you down.

01:17:28.489 --> 01:17:28.889
There you go.

01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:30.329
I'll pay for the ticket.

01:17:30.489 --> 01:17:34.970
Um, I have to click this quit button though, because I want to tell you guys something.

01:17:35.130 --> 01:17:40.090
Um okay, so uh like, subscribe, comment, join the Patreon.

01:17:40.250 --> 01:17:40.970
Love you guys.

01:17:41.130 --> 01:17:43.769
Hey, check out Manicat Records.

01:17:44.090 --> 01:17:51.210
Absolutely check out Manicat Records and all of their incredible artists like show off Amber Pacific.

01:17:51.369 --> 01:17:53.449
Uh just happy to be here.

01:17:53.929 --> 01:18:02.569
Um, Year of the Dragon, A New Violet, um Ryan Cabrera, Ryan Cabrera.

01:18:06.809 --> 01:18:11.210
Like people come from Manicat, and I felt like that was a setup.

01:18:11.289 --> 01:18:12.489
You're I don't even know people.

01:18:12.729 --> 01:18:14.569
Keep Ryan is just the one I remembered.

01:18:15.130 --> 01:18:17.210
Sorry, I I love everyone.

01:18:17.289 --> 01:18:19.529
I just with names, I don't know.

01:18:19.769 --> 01:18:21.849
So, anyways, check this out.

01:18:22.010 --> 01:18:23.050
One last thing.

01:18:23.369 --> 01:18:27.689
I like so many of their artists, and I love I'm I dude.

01:18:27.769 --> 01:18:29.849
I mean, you said you love their logo.

01:18:30.090 --> 01:18:31.289
I love their logo.

01:18:31.529 --> 01:18:35.769
Like, I'm thinking that that might be one of my upcoming tattoos.

01:18:36.170 --> 01:18:36.569
Really?

01:18:36.729 --> 01:18:39.449
I guess I should have asked Peter if that would be okay.

01:18:39.689 --> 01:18:40.569
I can email him.

01:18:40.729 --> 01:18:43.050
Yeah, what if they copyright your body?

01:18:43.609 --> 01:18:44.489
Then they owe me.

01:18:44.569 --> 01:18:45.289
I'm fine with that.

01:18:45.609 --> 01:18:52.970
Okay, that means they're responsible for me, and my wife no longer is, and she would like to he's a product of the machine.

01:18:53.210 --> 01:18:55.130
I do, I do love, I love their logo.

01:18:55.289 --> 01:18:56.170
My kids do too.

01:18:56.329 --> 01:19:00.809
They're like, Yeah, my youngest daughter's like she loves cats, and she's like, Oh, yeah, that's so cool.

01:19:00.970 --> 01:19:02.809
But she's like, Princess, princess.

01:19:02.970 --> 01:19:04.489
Yeah, my other girls are not.

01:19:04.569 --> 01:19:07.369
No, they're like anime and rock and metal.

01:19:07.769 --> 01:19:09.609
She's like, Oh my god, it's a big thing.

01:19:09.769 --> 01:19:13.769
Manicat is incredible, they're an incredible company.

01:19:14.090 --> 01:19:28.809
Peter's incredible, the team is incredible, and support them, support their their artists, support their merch, and uh yeah, we'll we'll be working with them a lot, all the time, as much as possible, forever and ever and ever.

01:19:29.369 --> 01:19:32.329
It has been super real this time, guys.

01:19:32.409 --> 01:19:34.010
Thank you guys for watching.

01:19:34.329 --> 01:19:43.769
And Chris to almost everybody out there, we love you and peace, and peace, and to all a good night.

01:19:44.010 --> 01:19:46.649
Make war not peace, or something, or something.

01:19:49.449 --> 01:19:53.289
Thanks for listening to the Lincoln Bridge Podcast.